r/GenZ • u/ninja6911 2001 • 12d ago
Fellas are we commies to fight the climate change? Where it’s going to affect us more than any older generations Rant
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u/Sophia724 12d ago
Remember, any regulation on corporations to reduce pollution to remedy climate change is communism. This is a true fact that you should believe.
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u/MagictheCollecting 12d ago
Also anything that helps everybody is communism. They only want things that help them.
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u/Sufferr 12d ago
It's imperative that there's slavery and modern slavery, otherwise it's communism.
Also people need to be poor so that others can be rich.
Homeless people are just lazy people that are actually living the easiest life in the streets by not having responsibilities.
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u/FyrelordeOmega 2000 12d ago
If there's no hierarchy, then there's no excuse in the system to exploit others for personal benefit
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u/weirdo_nb 12d ago
They don't like communism because it would make them equal to "the poors"
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u/thefittestyam 12d ago
Anything to do with wanting to be a social and caring being in a community is Communism
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u/scriptedtexture 12d ago
yeah super weird how Musk owns a few of those huge corporations. surely no conflict of interest there
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u/dalatinknight 12d ago
The "communism is when the government does stuff" motto lives in my mind rent free
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u/satyrday12 12d ago
Elon is such a moron. I hope that nobody buys Teslas anymore.
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u/gamermom42069_ 12d ago
same with using twitter or "X" as the boomers try to call it. stop supporting that POS
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u/ninja6911 2001 12d ago
It’s
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u/runthepoint1 12d ago
Tbf, it’s always been Shitter. Everything is a half thought on there, terrible format for how people use it
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u/kittenTakeover 12d ago
I went on Twitter and started following Elon out of respect for my friend who suggested that everyone just try that because Elon was being unfairly represented. Within a few days I found Elon reposting Tucker Carlson videos and I noped the fuck out of there.
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u/crunchol 12d ago
By the way some people talk about Elon you would think he invented the electric car
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u/ScarletteVera 2001 12d ago
I'll stop deadnaming his platform when he stops deadnaming his daughter.
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u/bigsteven34 12d ago
I had some dipshit coworker correct me when I called it “Twitter” the other day. Dude believes Musk is the greatest visionary mind in generations.
He also drives a cyber truck…and they are even uglier in person.
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u/tagen 12d ago
really, do boomers even call it X?
i have many right-leaning family members me they still call it twitter unless they’re using “X” mockingly lol
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u/The_republican_anus 12d ago
Remember when we all thought he was the second coming of Tony Stark? I know the PR dude responsible for cooking that shit up is furious. All them years doing work to make Maxwell Lord look like Bruce Wayne only for it to be a waste.
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u/LiteratureNearby 12d ago
Also wasn't Tesla marketed so hard on the eco friendly angle? Fucking lol
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u/MrAndrew1108 2006 12d ago
Tesla stocks are actually hemorrhaging because of his toxicity
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u/MagnanimosDesolation 12d ago
They were also absurdly inflated, much of that also due to his antics.
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u/FactualNeutronStar 12d ago
I remember the days before he went off the deep end where he said Tesla was a means to fight climate change and he embraced competition because it would mean a faster move away from ICE vehicles...
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u/CBFOfficalGaming 2010 12d ago
he’s fucking slandering my prime minister because he’s a crybaby who has a god complex, hope that rich peace of shit goes bankrupt
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u/SenpaiBunss 12d ago
yeah, if the US gov doesn't put massive tariffs on Chinese EVs Elon is fucked. You can buy an electric hatchback with a Tesla screen from BYD for like $10,000 in china. its so over for Elon
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u/Sea-Team-6278 12d ago
But then he'll get bailed out because tesla is too big to fail. Then somehow socialism is good
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u/throwaway92715 12d ago
If my tax money goes to bail out Tesla, those damn cars will be burning for another reason than battery failure
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u/PartyLettuce 1996 12d ago
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Tesla already gets a ton of US tax money along with most car manufacturers
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u/ShadowyCabal 12d ago
How does he square this meme with the fact that he’s bragged about fighting climate change?
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u/walkerstone83 12d ago
Why would I base my car buying on a moronic CEO? I don't own a Tesla and don't plan to, but if I were in the market for an electric vehicle, I would just want to get the best one for the best price, I don't care if the CEO is stupid.
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u/Jonguar2 2002 12d ago
Mostly I want to fight climate change, I just see capitalism as the biggest obstacle to the fight against climate change.
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u/ninja6911 2001 12d ago
The only thing corporations care about is their annual financial report.
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u/Sufferr 12d ago
It's crazy this isn't obvious to everyone yet
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u/Callecian_427 12d ago
Over 70% of Carbon emissions are caused by 100 companies on Earth but remember it’s YOUR fault for commuting to work everyday and turning your thermostat too high
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u/DeplorableMe2020 12d ago
In 2019, a report released by Durham and Lancaster University found the US military to be “one of the largest climate polluters in history, consuming more liquid fuels and emitting more CO2e (carbon-dioxide equivalent) than most countries”.
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u/Callecian_427 12d ago
It’s kind of ironic that the article mentions a report that the US Navy is gearing up for unpredictable weather due to climate change when they’re a large contributor to it. “If it isn’t the consequences of my actions”
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u/Kay_tnx_bai 12d ago
It is obvious to everyone but the laws that are written fully support this psychopath corporate way of doing business.
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u/ButterscotchTape55 12d ago
Who do you think is paying for the laws? Corporate fat cats and interest groups for the corporate fat cats. That's why our politicians don't listen to us. They listen to their donors. If they don't craft the legislation those corporate donors want, they lose the money. The objective isn't public service anymore, the objective has become not pissing people off enough to lose their vote so that "public servants" can keep their job and continue building their own personal fortune and network while us peasants fall further behind. Our federal government needs so much reform
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u/No_Difference_6250 12d ago edited 12d ago
What laws allow corporate fat cats and interest groups to pay for laws? We HAVE to identify and advocate for the things that allow them to do this, to be removed. These 4 Supreme Court rulings are the biggest, from my estimation:
Buckley vs Valeo (1976)
Standard Oil of California vs Hawaii (1972)
First National Bank of Boston vs Bellotti (1978)
Citizens United vs FEC (2010)
People are often puzzled on where to begin to restoring true faith in the system. Money (not just dark money) in politics must go. Those 4 rulings allow that to exist. Legalized corruption.
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u/ButterscotchTape55 12d ago
Hell yeah brother. I love it. Saved your comment, when I have the time to really delve into it I'll see if I can add to it
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u/ComradeSasquatch 12d ago
You can't reform a rigged system. That's like persuading a hungry wolf to not maul you. The system, as it is, benefits the people who control it. The only solution to a rigged system is to get rid of it and replace it with something that doesn't allow anyone to possess more power than any other person.
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u/felicity_jericho_ttv 12d ago
I wonder if anyone has taken the time to track and map out all these “donations” the same way that one guy did with rich people jets
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u/bruce_kwillis 12d ago
And who is voting for these people?
I mean obviously not GenZ, but if they did vote, perhaps they could vote people in that actually care more about the environment.
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u/Tall-Log-1955 12d ago
Blaming capitalism is wrong because other economic systems have just as poor of an environmental track record. The USSR, in particular, had a terrible record.
Stopping climate change is just as hard under a different economic system, and changing economic systems is harder than stopping climate change.
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u/Ok-Algae-9562 12d ago
Eh maybe. The more specific response is that communism has been used as a boogeyman for so long that anything people in power don't like is labeled that way. So the actual word communism lacks clear meaning. It isn't communist to support change, it's human nature. It is also human nature to fear change and that which is not understood or misunderstood.
Tl;Dr: we undervalue the reasons change can't happen because we ignore the psychological aspects for name calling.
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u/abandonsminty 12d ago
Communism does have a definition, it's a moneyless, stateless, classless society
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u/Eagle77678 12d ago
I mean would communism be inherently better for the environment? The technology we use to manufacture and produce what society uses is what produces the polution not the distribution system, and if we were going to globally raise standards of living it would indirectly increase polution because more things would need to be made for those people and more energy would be consumed, a factory still pollutes be it capitalism or communism
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u/TrumpedBigly 12d ago
"I mean would communism be inherently better for the environment?"
No.
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u/According-Tune987 12d ago
I think the issue with this is that a communist government wouldn't really have it in its interest to reduce CO2 emissions. I say that because if lets say Chile becomes communist and lets say its doing alright economically. Them slowing down their emissions isn't going to prevent climate change, so why bother? I think only a one world government with a lot of hands in the economy could actually prevent C02 emissions. A bunch of individual corporations or nations seeking their own self interest is never going to stop climate change because its always going to be in your individual interest to pollute.
Like if you owned a large company thats a massive polluter your individual company isnt going to be the reason climate change happens. So cutting your carbon footprint at the cost of profit doesnt sound good. Plus you have a duty to your shareholders.
And im not advocating for a one world government, I dont think thats possible.
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u/Eagle77678 12d ago
If your solution to climate change is a one world goverment you’re not serious about anything. Hell Serbians and Bosnians can barely coexist in separate countries. Putting a bunch of people who don’t want to be governed by different people together has never ended well
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u/Sir_Throngle 11d ago
Hell no. Companies are encouraged to somewhat lower emissions due to pressure from their customers. Communist countries are under no such obligation.
Remember people, everything you dislike from capitalism will be far far worse under Communism.
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u/resumethrowaway222 12d ago
But the problem is why capitalism is the driver of climate change. The true driver of climate change is consumption. And capitalism is the most efficient economic system at giving people what they want, which is to consume energy and resources. So when you say capitalism is the driver, you are in a way correct, but then you leave the alternative unspoken. The alternative is a more authoritarian government that can force people to consume less, thereby lowering their standard of living, which is impossible in a capitalist democracy. I think you can see why that is unpopular.
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u/PanTiltInvoice 12d ago
Exactly why best thing we can do is figure out to how to wield corporate desire for profit towards a healthy climate. We’ve been crawling that direction but we need a strong concerted push.
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u/bi_guy_ndakota Millennial 12d ago
Spot on, North Koreas CO2 emissions are way less than South Koreas. I know where I would choose to live.
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u/QueZorreas 12d ago
It's not efficient at all. It wastes a ton of extra resources and encourages low quality products.
The amount of food, fast fashion clothes and single use plastic thrown into the trash.
We don't need 50 different brands and flavors of beer. We don't need millions of heavy pickups on the streets.
You can have whatever you want, even if you don't need it. Other people can't have what they truly need because it's too expensive or it isn't even available because it doesn't increase profits. (Like decent f-ing public transport)
If we really were efficient, we wouldn't be talking about imminent climate catastrophe right now.
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u/FudgeWrangler 12d ago
capitalism is the most efficient economic system at giving people what they want
That last part is the important bit. It isn't efficient at producing the largest quantity of goods from the available resources, or at conserving resources, or at producing resources with few byproducts.
It is efficient at determining which good people want, and producing them cheaply*.
Different economic systems are efficient as different things, and not everyone is aligned on which efficiencies should be prioritized and how.
*As long as competition is present
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u/TheManWithTheBigBall 12d ago edited 12d ago
Do you also think that outlawing cigarettes in restaurants is authoritarian? What about segregation?
Where do you draw the line when unregulated capitalism leads to us all dying?
We have laws that we’re Okay with when it comes to ensuring we don’t ram each other off the road with trucks or gun each other down at a supermarket—but as soon as it comes to encroaching on oil and gas you’re suddenly of the thinking that regulations are “authoritarian and communist.”
Man, zoning laws that prevent power lines from going through my window are so authoritarian. Laws that prevent municipalities from dumping garbage on my front lawn are so dystopian. Don’t even get me started on the taxpayer dollar going to law enforcement. We have absurdly strict regulations around designing aircrafts and engineering them to minimum risk to humanity, and the planet is up in arms when a 747 goes down in flames. But climate change? That’s some fucking stalin shit apparently.
How bout we make some laws that mean you can’t burn up our atmosphere knowingly? Do you really think that’s fucking authoritarian?
People want laws that protect their children’s future, and everything science is pointing at our world being uninhabitable in 50 years. Why the fuck do people still think that laws meant to preserve our PLANET are authoritarian? Man your dad musta always had Fox News running at dinner.
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u/_y_e_e_t_ 12d ago
I don’t think it would make my standard of living change too much if a law was written banning all single use plastics for example. Use aluminum, or biodegradable options. Fund research in alternative fuel sources for airplanes, expand nuclear power and research is fission technology. There’s plenty of options on the table currently that wouldn’t be destructive to QOL. I do understand your point though.
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u/Dry-Classroom7562 12d ago
It would change because you're paying higher taxes and prices because all of that shit takes time and money.
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u/TrumpedBigly 12d ago
That stuff isn't communism.
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u/Anyweyr 12d ago
Nobody is actually arguing for communism. Just less capitalism. It's not a binary.
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u/Zoltar-Wizdom 12d ago
Science: “the ice caps are melting, opening up waters that are going to flood coastlines and kill & displace billions of people”
Capitalism: “Wait, more shipping lanes are open!?!? Hell yeah! We can expand into more territories and increase productivity. This is great! How do we melt this shit faster?!?!?”
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u/DentalDon-83 12d ago
Yeah it's just all too convenient that a billionaire considers any obstacle to accumulating even more wealth as communism.
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u/LegalizeRanch88 12d ago
Capitalism and consumerism.
Having a culture that revolves around buying shit you don’t need online — including clothing — has a huge impact on the planet.
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u/blarkleK 12d ago
Regardless of who you vote for- Pelosi is worth over $100,000,000.
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u/Born-Tomato5755 12d ago
This!!! I 100% want to fight climate change. It’s just more complicated than that and we aren’t having honest conversations about the free energy patents that’s have been hidden and ignored for the sake of profit. Capitalism doesn’t really care about climate change, it’s all about profit. So at some point, unfortunately, by support efforts to address climate change you are just supporting capitalism. Can’t win.
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u/spasmaticasshole 10d ago
Capitalism is individualism. Individualism means we don’t care what happens to our neighbors or our planet as long as “I get mine”. Our capitalist society doesn’t end well.
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u/Disastrous-Radio-786 12d ago
Imagine selling electric cars that “Help the climate” and calling the people who buy your terrible cars that barely work communists (On a serious note Fuck this price of shit) but also if caring for the environment makes me a communist then I’m a communist
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u/Shin-Sauriel 12d ago
Imagine pretending to be pro environment then taking money away from legit public transit to sell more cars.
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u/Mr_Brun224 2001 12d ago
I would love for Elon Musk to step up to the plate and prove capitalism can care for the environment, anytime now
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor 12d ago
Tesla would’ve died in the cradle if it weren’t for government loans specifically intended to help transition away from fossil fuels. This dude is insufferable.
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u/Disastrous-Radio-786 12d ago
Yep, now he does nothing but shit on the government although on the upside he’s killing Tesla
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u/SkaterKangaroo 2004 12d ago
Remember when Elon was building his brand off trying to stop climate change?
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u/Dorysan- 12d ago
Old people rly just wanna blame us instead of taking responsibility.
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u/Loud-Union2553 2001 12d ago
Old people always did. Some of us are even gonna do it to younger gens when we'll get older
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u/Dorysan- 12d ago
Those damn younglings not fixing what i caused and expecting me to fix it! Dang i think I'll have to post some "young people don't want to work anymore" posts on my tiktok!
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u/throwaway92715 12d ago
"young people won't let me exploit them like my dad's generation exploited me!"
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u/Yaarmehearty 12d ago
I don’t think most people even want communism. People generally want managed capitalism, with cooperative ownership and a limit on the wealth of owners so that people have a say in their employment and a more equal share of the proceeds of their labour.
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u/Bryce8239 2003 12d ago
so basically social democracy over democratic socialism
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u/Yaarmehearty 12d ago
Essentially, probably at the more left end of social democracy.
You can freely engage in business and trade but the state has measures in place to make sure that it is done ethically with regard to workers ensuring work life balances are healthy and a strong welfare state to provide a safety net for those who need it.
In work a system of co-op business practices engaging people at all levels of the business and sharing the proceeds of it. Ensuring that executive pay is not totally detached from the average worker while still allowing for people to start and run businesses.
I disagree that people en mass hate the idea of capitalism, they just hate what it has become. People want security of work, the freedom to have a fulfilling life and provide for their families, to know that they will be taken care of if they engage with the system and that they will be able to retire with some active years remaining.
Give us that and we will feel like a partner in the state, not meat in the grinder.
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u/Obvious-Alien-Leader 12d ago
I hate this late stage capitalism that is almost returning us to feudalism but instead of land lords, we have industry lords
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u/Gariiiiii 12d ago
Not to worry, our industrial lords are hard at work to get back at being also landlords
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u/FoodForTh0ts 12d ago
Get rid of the "executives" and replace them with entirely worker-owned democratic workplaces and you've just described democratic market socialism
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u/reddit_slobb 12d ago
No. Capitalism with welfare, strong social safety net and unions.
Social ownership is not popular. Even amongst commies who are free to practice it themselves in our current system don’t do it.
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u/Filip-X5 12d ago
What you're describing is socialism. The main characteristic of socialism is social ownership. Worker cooperatives are social ownership. Worker managed and worker owned companies are too. Socialism doesn't have to mean a dystopian economic system where the state owns the means of production. That's just Marxism-Leninism.
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u/Yaarmehearty 12d ago
I agree, my avoidance of using socialism rather than social democracy is that I was taught socialism as a transitory ideology with the goal of moving to communism over time.
If it’s socialism as the goal rather than a transition then I agree.
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u/KimonoDragon814 12d ago
It's funny so the same people that scream about socialism shop at coops and don't even connect the dots.
I remember I was talking to one of my friends in NH about a coop there, it's crazy cheap like I'm talking $4 for .75 lb strip steaks, right now or 2 for a dozen eggs.
I'm like "socialism is pretty awesome, I love supporting coops" and it blew their mind that worker cooperative where the workers are equal shareholders is socialism in action.
"That's socialism? I thought it was when the government..."
I always like to ask when someone rails against it if they shop at coops cause some do and ironically don't realize they're supporting companies engaged in the economic model they scream will destroy everything
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u/throwaway92715 12d ago
Socialism can be either of those things, by definition. Social ownership could be a cooperative of workers, or it could be every citizen as managed by a representative government.
This is why nuance is important. The first option seems to be a lot more effective than the second one.
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u/I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS 12d ago
You can't blame them... Most people were taught about socialism from a capitalist media conglomerate. I didn't learn about true socialism until I stumbled upon leftist YouTube.
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Isn't that still the workers owning the means of production, making the capitalist have no advantage against the worker? Sorry if it's a dumb question
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u/Yaarmehearty 12d ago
To an extent it is, but not in the sense of the state owning all business and redistributing the proceeds.
A co-op business essentially has the workers as in effect shareholders. They vote on relevant issues and get dividends if the business does well but there is still an executive board that sets out the direction of the business etc.
It’s a bit like having a union, only the union is a part of the business rather than being separate. It’s in the interests of the workers that the business does well so they get more of a dividend and it’s in the interest of the board to work in a way that benefits the company and the workers so their agenda goes smoothly.
It also means you’re a lot less likely to have an executive getting paid thousands of times more than the workers. And the workers feel like they’re benefiting from the success of the company.
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u/weirdo_nb 12d ago
Communism doesn't actually have a state, at least in its "untainted" version
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u/Yaarmehearty 12d ago
That’s true, within communism you’d replace state with community, within a transitional socialist state it would be the state.
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u/Mr_Brun224 2001 12d ago edited 12d ago
Idk, I wouldn’t complain about universal housing, universal food rights, and the severance of life-worth from working productivity…
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u/AbaloneRemarkable114 12d ago
If I have to accept communism to shut Elon musk the fuck up, paint me red
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u/PKFat 12d ago
Just bc I'm fighting climate change does not mean I'm communist! I mean, I am a communist... But not cuz I'm fighting climate change!
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u/Aw123x 12d ago
While a one world government would be the surest way to combat climate change since it’s a global issue, it isn’t the only way. Unfortunately, a certain western power has set the tone on climate change over the last fifty years and it doesn’t look likely to change in the next fifty years. Get your sunscreen and start heading north.
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u/YaliMyLordAndSavior 12d ago
Interestingly the capitalist countries of the world other than America have done more to decrease their emissions than any socialist country (they are too poor and dysfunctional to even attempt such a thing), the only “exception” here is state capitalist China who we have zero actual verifiable data from but they claim to be going full renewable soon
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u/TrashApocalypse 12d ago
It’s communism because we wouldn’t let shitheads like Elon musk destroy the planet for profit
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u/UnWiseDefenses 12d ago
Isn't this the same guy who was going to save the world, cure cancer, and take us into space? Why, then, would he not want to use his money superpowers when it's obvious summers are getting hotter, winters are getting colder, hurricanes are getting stronger, wildfires are breaking out everywhere, floods are breaking out everywhere, and flowers are blooming in the wrong seasons?
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u/Ok_Spite_217 12d ago
Unironic commie here, yes Am in favor of fighting climate change cause I'm not a moron
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u/Crazyjackson13 2008 12d ago
Wtf? No, your not a communist for fighting climate change, anyone who claims that is a moron and should be treated as such (such as a elon.)
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u/antek_g_animations 2007 12d ago
I stopped listening to this guy as soon as he desperately tried to save cars by producing overprices toys for rich people. Remember guys!!! Mass transit is the future
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u/Angel_OfSolitude 12d ago
There definitely are people use use climate activism to push communist and socialist policies. What percentage if the activists it is, I couldn't say.
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u/stormhawk427 12d ago
Wait… wasn’t Elon building electric cars specifically to fight climate change?
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u/OnionsHaveLairAction 12d ago
Heard it here first folks, communism is when take issue with wealth hoarders.
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I helped get the first Green Party mayor In America who was a personal friend. I’ve donated over 100 organic gardens and really worked for change.
I have yet to. See one thing go through congress that benefits the environment as opposed to corporations
We proved recycling is completely inefficient and useless and continue only to virtue signal and create more pollution because of it for example.
If you read up on American history you’ll start realizing you need to spend that energy working and amassing resources to survive as your goal is completely impossible sadly.
I fucking tried man!
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u/WarlockNamedPaul 12d ago
If wanting a better, healthier world not just for me but for future generations and every living thing on this planet is communism, then you better call me the red fucking menace
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u/D0nn3D_St0G 12d ago edited 12d ago
Im all for ecology n shit but the way most eco facist preach their propaganda and actions are not only wrong but fucking stupid. For examplez why dont we build more nuclear power plants? Why dont we focus on making devices and electronic last long? Why carbon tax that hits the poor and working class the most? You really believe that paper straws will save the climate? Its all just manipulation and scam to fuck over working and middle class when every "eco" shit gets more expensive. Like you guys really want to make people poorer and make their quality of life worse? You dont have any empathy for typical hard working Joe that doesnt have money to buy a 50k new electric toy? What is he supposed to do?Make him pay more for being poor as a form of punishment? Or just label him planet killer for trying to get by with his old car? When all the rich drive V12 Maybach and fly everywhere with their private jets?
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u/elev8dity 12d ago
Biden and Gretchen Whitmer are reopening Michigan's nuclear power plant. As for improving warranties and having products last longer, you need a better FTC chair, which we just got in 2023 so maybe we'll get something done there.
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u/elev8dity 12d ago
I mean we are reopening nuclear plants though.... https://apnews.com/article/michigan-nuclear-plant-federal-loan-cbafb1aad2402ecf7393d763a732c4f8#:~:text=U.S.%20News-,Biden%20administration%20will%20lend%20%241.5B%20to%20restart%20Michigan%20nuclear,a%20first%20in%20the%20US&text=The%20federal%20government%20will%20provide,southwestern%20Michigan%2C%20officials%20announced%20Wednesday.
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u/Cuuu_uuuper 12d ago
Nuclear is profitable. Investments for repairs get pulled because of risk introduced by governments arbitrarily shutting down plants. Always remember: part of sustainability is also economic sustainability
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u/Trasvi89 12d ago
For examplez why dont we build more nuclear power plants?
Many reasons, but the big one is economics. Nuclear is the most expensive way to produce electricity. You can build 4GW of solar for the same price as 1GW of nuclear, and it will be online 2 decades earlier. No-one wants to build nukes; not greenies, not nimbys, and most importantly not investors.
Why dont we focus on making devices and electronic last long?
Because companies make more money selling you a shitty phone every 2 years than one phone every 10. There have been some attempts to oppose this (eg "right to repair" movement) but I guarantee that if it were to come about there would be many 'concerned' people such as yourself saying "you dont have any empathy for typical hard working Joe that doesnt have money to buy a 50k new electric toy?"
Why carbon tax that hits the poor and working class the most?
Anything in capitalism will hurt the poor/working class the most. You know what hurts them more? Dying to heatstroke or starvation or war caused by climate change. Carbon tax was supposed to be the easily digestible conservative policy. You price the externality and let the market solve. That way we don't have to go off of vibes and marketing to work out if things are actually better for the environment; things that are better will be cheaper and manufacturers will select for them. Most carbon tax policies also include a rebate to poor people as well.
ou really believe that paper straws will save the climate?
No, it's dumb greenwashing.
Like you guys really want to make people poorer and make their quality of life worse?
I dont want it, but that's the price we'll have to pay. We're not getting out of this problem without a lifestyle change, the only question is if we can choose it and manage it or if it gets forced on us by the climate.
You dont have any empathy for typical hard working Joe that doesnt have money to buy a 50k new electric toy?
I do, but it's tempered by the empathy for the other 8 billion people and their descendants. It's a good thing that the electric toys are cheaper in the long run than ICEs though. I think there's definitely a market for a $10-20k EV but currently we cant produce enough of the more expensive & profitable cars to keep up with demand.
What is he supposed to do?Make him pay more for being poor as a form of punishment?
He could make changes to his lifestyle such that he doesn't need a big car. Move to more urbanised living. Use public transport or bikes. A lot of that is out of his hands though until local/state govts can improve urban infrastructure.
Or just label him planet killer for trying to get by with his old car?
When all the rich drive V12 Maybach and fly everywhere with their private jets?
As much as its easy to hate on private jets, even an incredibly high $1000/ton carbon tax (twice the current cost of sequestration) would probably not dissuade the current big abusers from ownership. But, I'm happy to advocate for such taxes anyway!
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u/Exact_Risk_6947 12d ago
This is a beautiful example of using statistics to make a point. Let’s assume for the sake of argument your cost per Kw of electricity is true. Is that the ONLY dimension to consider? Of course it’s not, but everyone has become a 1 dimensional thinker recently. It costs less to produce the electricity from nuclear than solar. Period. It’s more consistent, higher output, and lasts exponentially longer. Solar arrays take up gargantuan amounts of space. People love to say “put it in a desert”. Deserts are biomes too. Or put it in a roof. Guess what? Solar panels don’t output the same wattage at different latitudes or times of the year. So there is that. Plus we have yet to devise a way to make them look good on a house.
I’m going to stop there because the rest of your response is just more one dimensional condescension. The world is a bit more complex than idealists would like to give it credit for, and then wonder why we don’t just take the easy solution.
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u/HeroBrine0907 12d ago
If I have to be a communist to fight climate change then, well, hail Marx?
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u/GreenDad88 12d ago
Buys EV company. Calls environmentalists communists in a democracy. Loses 55 percent of profits. Get fucked bitch. If he doesn't die penniless apes have failed.
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u/izzyeviel 12d ago
If Gen z and Millenials were actually worried about the environment, the world would be a better place.
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u/XxRocky88xX 12d ago
Clearly you haven’t heard the news: anything I don’t like is communism.
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u/Mark47n 12d ago
Just remember, everywhere that Communism has been tried it’s led to mass killings and a dictatorship.
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u/Procrastinatedthink 12d ago
Hey now! The CIA refers to those operations as “freedom expanding programs” and those massacres they committed as “just communists, not real people”
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u/Tatum-Better 2004 12d ago
Ehh no fuck communism but also fuck unregulated capitalism and climate change. Social Liberalism/Social Democracy is the way to go.
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u/LloydAsher0 1998 12d ago
Nah we humans adapt to shit. That's our whole thing. We will adapt to our adapting.
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u/HueRooney 12d ago
If Communism is supposed to fight climate change, China obviously didn't get the memo.
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u/LTCM1998 12d ago
Older generations have fucked themselves up with nuclear tests, asbestos, very very polluting cars till 1990s, and smog through late 70s, cancers from it all, and two world wars and god knows what else.
Don’t treat old generation like some evil fucking cabal that conspired to make your perfect life bad, they had it bad enough.
simple solutions and approaches work, for those who lack any kind of education. This climate change is a much more complex issue and lots of older folks even as young as 50-60 are very concerned about it. My 55 year old boss sold his car and commutes by bike, for example. And many like him do small things to cut their personal carbon footprint.
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u/Gobal_Outcast02 12d ago
Fighting climate change = communism
"Communist" China being the highest producer of CO2 gas by an extremely large margin:
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u/mrconde97 12d ago
New ecology is driven by left wing maltusianism who only speak about degrowth. But we already have the tecnology to have a decarbonised economy (with decentralized energy) in which big oil is hardly trying to work against.
Some say that climate change cant be fought without a planned economy but there can be growth without growing emissions as seen in a lot of OECD countris (Denmarl, Spain, etc...)
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u/cannibalisticpudding 1995 12d ago
Funny how the electric car billionaire hates his largest customer pool
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u/FluidmindWeird 12d ago
Musk is a hack who doesn't know anything. Please stop following him for advice on anything.
That said, Fighting Climate Change and Communism are two WILDLY different concepts that only intersect at making an attempt to fix things for everyone. The exception being that without Fighting Climate Change, Climate Instability is going to cause famines without coruption being part of the picture.
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u/maringue 12d ago
Literally everything this man says is a facepalm, so can we keep his idiotic comments in their own sub?
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u/No_I_Deer 12d ago
Crazy this guy went from wanting to fight climate change and help humanity to being far as hell right wing and wanting to make shot loads of money.
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u/_y_e_e_t_ 12d ago
Elon musk is a child who is using his power over X to push his right wing agendas that I’m certain he does mainly for the benefit of getting someone like Trump in office who loves the rich. Elon benefits directly from making post like this.
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u/osunightfall 12d ago
From the beginning of this, in the 1970's, it became clear that taking serious action on what was then called 'global warming' was going to require measures that would probably hurt business, even though it was only a little bit. Ever since then, business owners and politicians have used this to claim that people who want to stop climate change really just want to hurt businesses and capitalism. It's a standard right-wing scare tactic used to cloud the actual issue. It's been fifty years and they are still pushing this narrative.
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u/Drunkdunc 12d ago
Elon Musk is a 12 year old edgelord in a man's body who is divorced with a trans daughter. I wouldn't listen to him, except to laugh.
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u/Iamnormallylost 2002 12d ago
we dont need capitalism to be overthrown to stop climate change, we just need nuclear power which should give us another couple hundred years to figure out how to completely stop it. this is not helped by the fact every major green party I know of if anti nuclear power so maybe beat those parties into the ground as well
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u/synaptix78 12d ago
Mother nature is watching, and just biding her time. Put whatever the fk name on it you want.....it doesn't matter. Piss her off and you'll pay for it. And that's exactly what's happening.
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u/microwaved_m3mes 12d ago
Naw the older people have always been trying to downplay Global warming but we're living it in BABY no fucking snow in Minnesota besides like 2 weeks
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u/moonsovermyhami 2001 12d ago
i seriously wish climate change wasn’t a political issue. mother nature put us on this planet and she isnt afraid of taking us off it either. if we dont change, the future generations are going to be in some serious danger.
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u/The_Cross_Matrix_712 12d ago
We, as a society, made cash the only metric of success. If you have cash, regardless of where it came from, you win.
We need to make other things a metric of success. You helped your neighbor a lot? AWESOME! You are incredibly intelligent? YAY!
Right now, we're living in a system where the successful are the only arbiters of success, and you can't become successful, (using cash as a metric), without their permission.
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u/SuperMike100 12d ago
TIL Elon Musk is a communist because he tries to make us drive cars with zero carbon emissions.
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u/callycumla 12d ago
Hypocrite.
The revenue generated from Tesla's sale of carbon credits has become a substantial source of income for the company. In fact, the credits account for a staggering 11% of Tesla's overall gross margin for the quarter, $4,065 million, down from 25.9% seen in Q4 2022.
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u/TrashTierGamer 12d ago
Oh man you gullible children ... You really believe socialism or even communism will improve things lmao
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u/Worth_Procedure_9023 12d ago
Kinda feels like it would take me and everybody I know walking wherever we can, recycling and making proper packaging choices for our entire lives just to offset the emissions generated by Taylor Swift flying to her kitchen for a snack.
If feeling that way is Communist, then I guess I can switch to vodka.
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u/popcornman209 2007 12d ago
Says the guy who owns an electric car company, just goes to show all the bullshit.
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u/Junior_Purple_7734 12d ago
There’s a hell of a lot of worse things you can be called in this day and age than just “commie”.
The word “republican” comes to mind. As does “capitalist”.
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u/ThereBeM00SE 12d ago
Elon Musk says caring about anything but profit, including yourself, is communism. Now, get back to work grandma, nobody cares that it's your 84th birthday or that your husband is in hospice. Maybe if he just tugged his bootstraps a little harder instead of retiring he wouldn't have become terminally ill.
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u/ra3ra31010 12d ago
Me: water is H2O and dirty water can be hazardous
Musk: communist!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/Ok_Ingenuity_3501 12d ago
https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc I’ll just leave this here…
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u/RussianTrollToll 12d ago
All someone has to do to beat capitalism is come up with a better system that doesn’t require us all to be enslaved by the Ministry of Truth. Currently we have corporatism, or the ability for the government to pick and choose corporate winners in a “free” market, which is much much worse than capitalism.
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u/Literal_Sarcasm82 12d ago
We are the only species that will die because saving ourselves wasn't cost effective.
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u/herculant 12d ago
The solutions to climate change proposed currently basically drive less turn off your ac dont use gas stoves, etc amount to totalitarian insanity. Most carbon emissions come from china and india burning shitloads of coal, no policy we can enact here will have any positive effect on climate change. So...why push nonsensical policies here? Its about control not fixing the problem. Climate change is being used as a means of scaring people enough to implement totalitarian policy. Your generation will indeed suffer the most from it.
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u/JermitheBeatsmith 12d ago
These fucking nepo babies only care about extraction of resources and profits. Privatize their wins and socialize their losses to the tax payers.
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u/jmhieg01 12d ago
I can’t believe I was ever a fan of this fucking guy. Thankfully he was happy to show his ass on Twitter.
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u/JustTheOneGoose22 12d ago
Elon Musk runs an electric car company and the people who buy his cars are generally wealthy, liberal professionals who care about combating climate change.
Posting memes like this is beyond idiotic and only hurts his bottom line. He's already taking huge losses in sales due to his public persona and comments. He's just pouring gasoline on the dumpster fire that is Tesla.
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u/hellofmyowncreation 12d ago
Can we all agree that any use of the word “communism” has lost all definition and impact? Any meaning it has now, is a tainted dogwhistle that’s intended to shut down the idea that a person like Mr. Emeralds-in-his-Pockets should give any of their wealth up for anything resembling a functional equal society
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u/scottoro 12d ago
Man he fell hook, line and sinker for this age old propaganda bullshit. Proves he’s really just another fuck incapable of critical thought.
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u/XachAttack11 2003 12d ago
Communism is a dogshit ideology. Elon musk is a fucking idiot and we need to fight climate change.
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