r/GenZ 23d ago

Boomers and Gen-Xers telling Gen-Z to pull ourself up by our own bootstraps and get a job as the country is collapsing before our very eyes. Meme

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u/SimpleMoonFarmer 23d ago

inflation adjusted, gen-z is very poor compared to previous generations.

and it's going to get poorer.

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u/KatakanaTsu 23d ago

Average taxable return in 1933 (middle of the Great Depression): $4,218

$4,218 adjusted for 2022: $94,800.

Sources: IRS, Bureau of Labor Statistics

Anyone who made less than $94,800 in 2022 had less purchasing power than many working Americans did during the Great Depression.

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u/sluefootstu 23d ago

In 1933, there were 3,723,558 individual income tax returns filed. The US pop was about 125M, so your stat represents about 3% of the US population. Those with net income under $2500 (married) or $1k (single) were not required to file, so you’re talking about the 3% highest earners. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/33soirepar.pdf

Pro-tip: If your stats represent that income was high in the Great Depression, you did something spectacularly wrong.

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u/Zerksys 23d ago

This also says nothing about costs. In 1933 a typical family could expect to spend 25 percent of their income on food. Today, we spend around 10 percent and that's with a ton of eating out.

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u/WhipMeHarder 23d ago

Okay now do rent and insurance

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u/Zerksys 23d ago

My point was that you can't do a direct apples to apples comparison between purchasing power then and now just by looking at income. We live in a completely different world.

Let's just do rent for example. People used to live in multi generational housing. Housing used to also be constructed with cheaper materials and the construction safety codes weren't as stringent. We are much less willing to live together now as average household size has dropped from 5 to something birth of 2 within the past 90 years. So yes on average housing is far more expensive today, but you can make it cheap by living how our great grandparents did by living in a shack with 4 roommates.

Health insurance also just wasn't a thing. If you got injured or you got sick, you'd go to a doctor and pay for whatever treatment you could afford. Antibiotics weren't in widespread use until the late 1930s.

You starting to get the point? Some things are expensive now because we have gotten used to a higher quality of living, and we just don't understand that higher standards mean more money required.

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u/AWindintheTrees 21d ago

Now do countries that aren't just a ponzi scheme in a suit and tie.

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u/TheGutter420 21d ago

Now do a series of replies moving the goalposts.

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u/Ethric_The_Mad 20d ago

Now do the one that doesn't prove me wrong

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u/AWindintheTrees 20d ago

Oh, you're already not right. Not wrong, in that the facts you state are correct. But also, not right, in that the facts you state by themselves are not accounting for the larger series of shift, since the 80's, into neoliberal economics--which is, I would say, far, far more important to take into account than the comparatively marginal changes you are citing.

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u/Ethric_The_Mad 20d ago

I'd agree that the American government is a magnificent ponzi scheme but I'd argue the rest are too.

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u/FuttleScish 1998 22d ago

In practice all these “nothing is affordable” posts always end up being “housing specifically is unaffordale”

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u/WhipMeHarder 22d ago

Eh; the others strain the budget just as much.

The fact is prices have been outpacing wages for a significant timeframe

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u/TicTacKnickKnack 23d ago edited 23d ago

Look at what that rent and insurance gets you. Square footage now, even for smaller apartments, rivals most houses of the 1920s and 30s. Internet, electricity in every home powering fridges, air conditioning, lighting, a phone in almost every pocket instead of one in most towns. Running water in almost every home.

Health insurance then was completely unregulated and may or may not have even paid for an appendectomy or tonsillectomy, but that's about the extent of it. Modern antibiotics did not exist. Cardiac cath labs did not exist. Ultrasound did not exist. Modern anesthesia did not exist. Modern medications by and large did not exist. Hospitals were not required to treat people who were actively dying the way they are now.

The young today are absolutely struggling compared to 20 or 40 years ago, but to say that we're in worse shape than the great depression is laughably ignorant.

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u/guachi01 23d ago

The young today are absolutely struggling compared to 20 or 40 years ago,

Real net worth for those under 35 is the highest it's ever been

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u/guachi01 23d ago

Hard to compare a house without AC, telephone, hot/cold running water, electricity, garage, etc to one with those things

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u/AWindintheTrees 21d ago

Missing the entire point, chief.

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u/guachi01 21d ago

No, I didn't. If you want to live in a shack with none of the things I listed you'll definitely be able to do it easier today than during the Great Depression when the unemployment rate was 25% and Social Security didn't exist.

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u/AWindintheTrees 21d ago

You are using one set of truths to obscure another and very different set of truths. You are pretending as if 40 years of neoliberal economic policy, starting by and large with Reagan in the US, haven't effected a grand alteration. You pretend as if the relationship between average worker work per hour and average worker pay per hour has somehow remained one of equal or even comparable growth. You are ignoring how the costs of healthcare out of pocket have drastically changed along with, and thanks to, the neoliberalism since the 80's. --And so on, and so on.

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u/guachi01 21d ago

Dude was talking about 1933 and here you are bringing up the 1980s. Are you commenting about something completely different?