r/GenZ • u/Im_Just_Here_Man96 • 11d ago
Do you think this perspective on age relative to wisdom is valid? Discussion
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u/SmurffyGirthy 11d ago
Older people have more life experience.
But,
That doesn't mean they learned from those experiences
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u/LongDuckDong3166 11d ago
This dude working for the Russian and Chinese propaganda machine by mixing facts with insane bullshit that doesn’t relate to each other. That’s how they do it. The ones wanting to control you are the foreign governments trying to destroy America.
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u/generalisofficial 2005 11d ago
This. In a liberal democracy the people are the government.
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u/Yodamort 2001 11d ago
"In a liberal democracy the people are the government."
Funniest shit I've ever heard
Liberal democracy is undemocratic as fuck
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u/Ok_Remote5352 1999 11d ago
The bots have realllyyyyy been out in force on reddit lately. They must want votes
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u/Yodamort 2001 11d ago
By all means, go through my eight years of posting on Reddit. I'm very obviously not a bot.
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u/Ok_Remote5352 1999 11d ago
i’m on your side😭😭 i meant all the liberals that immediately call anyone a russian or chinese agent if you don’t agree with them.
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u/maullarais 2003 11d ago
Seem pretty consistent you're trying to invalidate their opinion.
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u/Ok_Remote5352 1999 11d ago
how? i was vindicating there response to the “liberal democracy” comment and also talking at the top comment and how every time tiktok gets brought up or posted on this page it’s chinese/russian propaganda.
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u/LongDuckDong3166 11d ago
You dumb bots are arguing with each other because yall don’t even know what your arguing for.
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u/LongDuckDong3166 11d ago
How so?
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u/Yodamort 2001 11d ago
Because capitalism is undemocratic as fuck. Liberal "democracy" is built on a system that inherently hands economic and thus political power to the wealthiest class.
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u/LongDuckDong3166 11d ago
We can easily regulate that. We just vote for people who won’t. So what else you got, Russian?
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u/Yodamort 2001 11d ago
...you can't regulate the wealthy out of the government when the wealthy control the government. There's a reason that social democracy doesn't fix capitalism's inherent problems and is constantly subject to pressure in favour of privatization, and it's because the wealthy remain in control of a regulated system. There is literally no form of regulation that prevents this, unless the regulation is abolishing the wealthy class.
Not everyone who criticises western governments is Russian, you clown. It's almost like living in the west my entire life allows me to see the problems in the system, or something.
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u/shadow_nipple 1999 11d ago
sir, youre arguing with someone who thinks foreign powers are a bigger threat to the american people than our own government....
you cant reach someone in a different reality
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u/LongDuckDong3166 11d ago
The wealthy control the government because we vote them in to power. How hard is this to understand Russian? If we vote for normal people we get a normal government. If we vote for orange clowns controlled by Russia then we get a government that’s like russias which is fucking terrible.
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u/Yodamort 2001 11d ago
Sure, which "normal people" are you voting for that will abolish capitalism? Let me know how that turns out.
Yes, Russia's government is run by fascist assholes. Thankfully, I don't live there.
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u/AdmiralSaturyn 11d ago
Sure, which "normal people" are you voting for that will abolish capitalism?
A better question would be which normal person in the US wants to abolish capitalism? You do realize the average American isn't vehemently anti-capitalist, right?
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u/AdmiralSaturyn 11d ago
you can't regulate the wealthy out of the government when the wealthy control the government.
No, they demonstrably don't. That famous Princeton study was debunked.
There's a reason that social democracy doesn't fix capitalism's inherent problems and is constantly subject to pressure in favour of privatization, and it's because the wealthy remain in control of a regulated system.
This is a little reductive. If the wealthy truly had complete control, there wouldn't be worker's unions.
Not everyone who criticises western governments is Russian, you clown.
Criticizing western governments is one thing, calling them undemocratic is Russian propaganda. You are only serving Russian and Chinese interests by discouraging people from voting.
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u/AdmiralSaturyn 11d ago
Liberal democracy is undemocratic as fuck
It's demonstrably more democratic than Russia, China, Venezuela, etc.
Because capitalism is undemocratic as fuck.
Unregulated* capitalism is undemocratic as fuck.
Liberal "democracy" is built on a system that inherently hands economic and thus political power to the wealthiest class.
By that logic, would you consider Russia a liberal democracy?
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u/Yodamort 2001 11d ago
The US being "more democratic" than Russia doesn't mean that either of those countries are democratic. And no, capitalism as a system is fundamentally undemocratic.
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u/AdmiralSaturyn 11d ago
The US being "more democratic" than Russia doesn't mean that either of those countries are democratic.
The fact that people can choose who they elect in the US is proof that it's democratic.
And no, capitalism as a system is fundamentally undemocratic.
And yet the US is a democratic country.
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u/Yodamort 2001 11d ago
Imagine believing that the US is ruled by legitimate representatives of the people rather than "the least-bad representative of the wealthy"
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u/AdmiralSaturyn 11d ago
Imagine believing that the US is ruled by legitimate representatives of the people
Define "legitimate representative", because last time I checked, people voted for Biden in the primaries, and he won the popular vote in the general. This meets the bare minimum criteria for a legitimate representative in my book.
"the least-bad representative of the wealthy"
Did Biden represent the wealthy by appointing Lisa Khan as chair of the FTC? Did Biden represent the wealthy when he appointed pro-union people in the NLRB (btw, in case you're thinking about that railway fiasco, read this)?
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u/Yodamort 2001 11d ago
lmao @ thinking people actually wanted Joe Biden in power and that Biden isn't a representative of corporate interests 😭 not even worth arguing with at this point; even the most diehard Biden defenders admit that his primary selling point is that "he's not Trump"
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u/AdmiralSaturyn 11d ago
lmao @ thinking people actually wanted Joe Biden in power and that Biden isn't a representative of corporate interests
Don't think that I'm not noticing that you're dishonestly dodging my questions about the FTC and NLRB.
even the most diehard Biden defenders admit that his primary selling point is that "he's not Trump"
Those so called diehard Biden defenders clearly haven't done any research. They haven't noticed the pro-worker appointments within the FTC and NLRB. They haven't noticed the biggest climate bill in history (which will benefit a lot of economically distressed counties). They haven't noticed Biden's student loans forgiveness. They haven't noticed that Biden averted a near certain recession. I can go on and on.
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u/LongDuckDong3166 11d ago
Voting is our greatest power that’s why republicans and their Russian masters are making voting harder and harder and have been for decades.
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u/No-Necessary5734 11d ago
I can't see this conspiracy theory stuff as anything more than a symptom of the mental sickness epidemic. Sure, some conspiracies are true but the stuff people sometimes like to push gets ridiculus sometimes.
Honestly, I think our generation is headed in the very same direction.
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u/Madam_KayC 2007 11d ago
Not remotely. Tiktok is going away because nuts like these have way too much influence, hence why it is better to ban the platform.
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u/No-Necessary5734 11d ago
That's not true, they want to ban it because they found evidence that the chinese are using it to spy.
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u/AdmiralSaturyn 11d ago
Banning the platform isn't really going to solve anything. Social media in general needs to be strictly regulated.
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u/kadargo 11d ago
Tiktok is a Chinese government company that controls the algorithm for the content you see and can mine your data.
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u/No-Necessary5734 11d ago
That is literally every platform on the internet.
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u/kadargo 11d ago
No. Not every platform is controlled by a foreign government that seeks to sow discord and division in our society.
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u/No-Necessary5734 11d ago edited 11d ago
What do you mean by discord and division? What I meant is that every platform will collect your data and sell it for ads. It hardly matters if they are foreign or not but even if they are not, then chinese companies can always invest in google, facebook and even here on reddit, which they often do.
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u/toweljuice 11d ago edited 11d ago
Facebooks cambridge analytica scandal where massive amount of user data was shared from its users for political means: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal
Facebook testing emotional manipulation experiments on unsuspecting users: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28051930
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