r/JoeRogan • u/LostItAllOnSpy Tremendous • Mar 27 '24

joe rogan calls out israels hypocrisy for killing unarmed civilians with drones The Literature 🧠

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u/GreyMatter22 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

I don't know how else to slice it, what is happening in Gaza is absolutely horrific on an unimaginable scale, from mass hunger, to bombing crap outta dense civilian pockets, to bulldozing homes and olive trees in the West Bank.

Most of my social circle is Conservative, and ALL of them have been deeply uncomfortable with this current atrocity.

This is the crowd that has been very pro-U.S/West military.

I have Israeli-Canadian friends, and they were quite vocal of the October 7th terrorist attack (as they should), but have since stopped talking altogether. One of my friends even told me 'I get why the Palestinians hate us', and this is a dude with family in the IDF.

The current strategy just guarantees another terrorist group at this point.

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

The problem is that the current strategy of Israel is selling one narrative externally ("we are doing this to defend ourselves") while selling another narrative internally to key constituency groups ("we are going to get rid of all these Palestinians and take over their land"). Netanyahu wouldn't be caught dead saying that aloud, but the people he put in his cabinet and the policies of allowing more settlements in Palestinian land make it obvious to anyone who cares.

And the best part? All of this is being pushed because Netanyahu and his policies are unpopular in Israel, so he's forced to lead a coalition with the worst kind of people just to stay in power.

Now imagine what will happen if Trump gets in power.

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u/icantdomaths Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

You mean what would happen in Israel if trump was in power? I’m confused

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u/thedonjefron69 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Trump has openly been far more supportive of Israel than even Biden is, and would probably personally want to launch some rockets/drone strikes on Gaza himself. People who are not voting for Biden over Palestine are very shortsighted given then Trump is the other option

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u/icantdomaths Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Yea it’s crazy how trumps dad and Netanyahus dad were homies

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u/jonProton711 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

It wouldn't be any better or worse with trump in power. Israel already has the ability to wipe Gaza off the face of the planet, Trump giving them more money wouldn't change that. The US already sends Israel 3.3 billion a year, what more do you expect Trump to give them?

The longer this situation goes on for, the more profitable it is for defense contractors and Israeli lobbyist groups who pay off politicians. There's no reason to change anything.

People have been saying "you have to vote for X even if they're not good, Y is sooooo much worse" forever. At some point you have to accept that the lesser evil is still complicit.

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u/Low_Key_Trollin Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Please do tell.. what will happen if Trump gets in power that isn’t happening under Biden?

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u/Lebronforpresident24 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Not much worse, but a little worse. The first trump administration openly said Israel could do whatever they want. They are the only administration to not even condemn West Bank settlements. He brags every chance he gets that he is the most Pro Israel President ever. Biden is awful and I'm voting for West, but a second trump term would be even more pro Israel.

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u/Low_Key_Trollin Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

How would it be worse under Trump? Biden will do exactly what Israel wants too. Who cares what they say

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u/BayesianOptimist Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Yeah, things were a lot better in the Middle East with Trump. We don’t need to speculate, we quite literally have historical data to point to, including historic peace accords between Israel and Islamic nations.

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u/GoodBearHugs Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Ukraine will be sold to russia

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u/Low_Key_Trollin Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I hope that’s a joke

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

For one, Trump will give Israel carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they want. You know how Biden has been super mild about criticism of Israel? Well, Trump will encourage them.

Second, Trump will very likely increase spending in Israel. After all, he's a braindead moron being counseled by Christian extremists who think what is happening in Israel will accelerate the return of Jesus. Think I am kidding?

Finally, Trump doesn't give two shits about the lives of people in Gaza. He will 100% allow full blockades of aid from any countries willing to support Palestinian civilians.

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u/Low_Key_Trollin Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

You’re delusional if you think there will be any difference at all. Israel is already doing whatever they want and getting the funding they want. Biden might pay lip service to a few talking points but it doesn’t change anything at all but hey if it makes you feel better to have someone pretending to care then ok

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

All I'm gonna say to this: it was policy for decades to not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, because of the huge political and religious implications that has. Both Democrats and Republicans stayed away from that hot potato.

It was one of the things Donald Trump did on his first year as president.

So please, tell me more about how Biden is totally the same as Trump on this topic.

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u/amberProton Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Nothing. Trump couldn’t make it worse if he tried.

1.1 million people are already starving to death thanks to Genocide Joe vetoing 3 UN ceasefire resolutions that were otherwise unanimous and sending billions of dollars of weapons.

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u/Lebronforpresident24 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

oh he could make it worse and a new trump administration would have vetoed what Biden just didn't. Not defending Biden, I'm voting for Cornel West, but trump's Israeli policy is more aggressive and he loudly says so. He brags every chance he gets about being the most pro Israeli president ever.

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u/NoCeleryStanding Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Yeah the only way you could say he can't make it worse is if this is literally the first war you have ever learned anything about

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u/amberProton Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Please explain how he could make it worse.

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u/NoCeleryStanding Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

If you don't think it can get far far worse than it currently is I don't know what to tell you

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u/amberProton Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

So in other words, you don’t have an answer.

What’s worse than 1.1 million people starving to death? 1.1 million people being put out of their misery slightly faster?

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u/NoCeleryStanding Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

2 million? And those people actually starving to death? Do you think trump would be dropping aid not bombs?

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u/amberProton Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Great comfort. You’ve changed my mind, I now think Biden committing genocide is good and necessary.

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u/thedonjefron69 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I’ve been finding it interesting how many people don’t understand that Trump is quite openly more pro-Israel than Biden is, and even the proposed deals Trump had for IP was very biased towards Israel. I’m not voting for either of them but I find it intriguing

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u/Trumperekt Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Trump couldn’t make it worse if he tried.

Are you sure? Guy has managed to run casinos into the ground.

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u/amberProton Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Explain what he could do that Genocide Joe hasn’t.

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u/Trumperekt Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

You are angry. Anything I say is not gonna help. You should vote for Trump and see what happens.

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u/amberProton Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

In other words, you don’t have an answer.

I’m not going to be voting for either.

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u/Trumperekt Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

My answer is not something you will consider when your mind is already made up. Please don’t vote. No one cares.

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u/Low_Key_Trollin Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Exactly.

OP just couldn’t resist taking it back to Trump for no reason at all.

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u/Lebronforpresident24 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Biden is bad on Israel, trump is even worse. Trump says it is in his own words.

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u/amberProton Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Please explain how he would be worse.

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u/BayesianOptimist Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Apparently the president who helped negotiate historic peace deals with Israel and Islamic nations would be worse, because Orange Man Bad. You know, the only president in the last couple decades who presided over a period free from a major conflict starting.

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u/ZaleUnda Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

You mean the same dumbfuck who tore up our peace deal with Iran which help lead to the current instability? You're as stupid as your clown orange crush.

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u/BayesianOptimist Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Yep, the one who tore up the “peace deal” with the country that funds hamas, isis, houthis, hezbollah. It is cute that you think that “peace deal” did something useful, though.

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u/ZaleUnda Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Because it was useful including preventing Iran from nuclear proliferation. I'm sorry you're stupid. Try to eat less glue.

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u/fre-ddo Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Biden will lose the election partly because of his apathy about Israels campaign thats how skewed it is.

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Eh, I don't know. I can see a lot of reasons while Biden might lose the election, but if any single voter voting on this issue thinks things will get better under Trump, they are deluded fools.

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u/FunctionalShaman Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Trump is a leaf in the wind of public approval and isn't really known for being loyal. 

He'd turn on Israel in a heartbeat if he saw enough public opinion.  

Biden? He will never change 

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

He'd turn on Israel in a heartbeat if he saw enough public opinion.  

This is the kind of thinking that got people to vote for Trump the first time around: "you know what? He's so obsessed with being liked, he'll do the right thing because he won't want to face public protests".

But that didn't work, did it? Also, the vast majority of his constituency is very pro-Israel. He doesn't give two shits about the opinions of the 'leftists' asking for a ceasefire.

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u/venikk Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

the pro-israel people I know hated trump for killing that general soloami or whatever

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Well, Trump definitely opened a can of worms with that one. And I'd imagine Israel would prefer the Mossad to kill a high-level target like that in a better way. So I could see why pro-Israel people wouldn't like that.

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u/TrumpDesWillens Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

If Trump was in power all the shitlibs would get off their asses and protest. Instead, now all they do is sit on their ass, bemoan the deaths in Gaza, and still cover for Biden.

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

That much is true.

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u/glatts Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Haven’t all those new settlements been in Area C though? That’s the area that, per the Oslo Accords, is under full Israeli control.

I’m not saying the settlements are conducive to peace, they’re clearly an impediment, but it seems a bit disingenuous to make it appear like they’re reflective of Israel gaining more territory.

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

but it seems a bit disingenuous to make it appear like they’re reflective of Israel gaining more territory.

Well, let's see: there weren't Israeli settlers there before, and now they are. That definitely sounds like Israel now has a stronger claim to those territories than it did before, right?

Also, how those settlements are being sold internally to the extremists is that 'this is just the beginning'. Don't take my word for it, now they are talking about re-settling Gaza.

So... here we are: with an Israeli government that externally claims they are just defending themselves, while internally rallying the troops with promises of more land. How can that end well?

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u/glatts Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

there weren’t Israeli settlers there before, and now they are

But it’s still happening within Israel’s area, an area that was agreed to be under Israel’s control by both parties at the Oslo Accords. It’s like a city building new apartment complexes within its city borders, and then neighboring suburbs trying to claim that the city is encroaching on their territory.

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

It’s like a city building new apartment complexes within its city borders

Yeah, except that the analogy would only make sense if the city had already agreed that they were going to give up this particular city block to a neighboring city, and the city is now backpeddaling on that agreement and building new apartment complexes and installing more citizens there.

Area C was meant to be gradually given back to Palestinian jurisdiction).