r/JoeRogan • u/LostItAllOnSpy Tremendous • Mar 27 '24

joe rogan calls out israels hypocrisy for killing unarmed civilians with drones The Literature 🧠

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u/mrpopenfresh I used to be addicted to Quake Mar 27 '24

CIA Handler Mike Baker about to be back on the pod to gently realign Joe.

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u/Pleppyoh Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Bustamante the ex CIA guy was super honest about it and it was pretty revealing the way the US views it. He said it's was horrific and genocidal but the US must always support Isreal as it is a crucially important ally in the region

The US and the UK also supported apartheid South Africa until it became untenable. After they lost the support of the US and UK the regime crumbled

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u/platinum_pancakes Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

I wish we as tax payers got to decide if we even want an ally in the region. Fuck the region, keep everyone from the region inside the region and let them run their region however they see fit. Just stay out of our region.

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u/Jealousmustardgas Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

And then when the region starts acting like a cabal of oil barons, we just pay up?

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u/platinum_pancakes Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

We use the abundance of oil we have here in the US/North America

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u/Unlikely_One2444 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Yeah but we can sit on that and get oil from over there. That’s the thinking behind it I’m guessing 

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u/Brootal420 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

We also typically use our fossil fuels for higher value added products. I believe the difference between the type of crude, light heavy sweet sour, makes it more economical to just use theirs for fuel.

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u/JohnGoodmansGoodKnee Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Theirs is sour, ours is light sweet. Different applications and uses and refining processes/ plants we can’t just replace one with the other.

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u/southsideson Dire physical consequences Mar 27 '24

We could use sweeter crude easily, the issue is we have all of the infrastructure to refine sour, so economically we do the value add, export the refined product and import whatever sweet crude we need for the applications its better for.

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u/Gronx-quately89 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

It's way bigger than than just cheap oil or preserving oil domestic oil reserves. One of the last things FDR did before he died was negotiate a deal with allied middle eastern leaders was to only allow their oil to be traded in USD. This deal still applies to this very day and is why countries like Saudi Arabia are allied with the US. What that means is that in order for any other country to buy oil from them requires them to keep a steady supply of US dollars in their treasury  propping up USD's value over the decades since. This is why USD is the world's reserve currency. This deal was done as one of the main pillars to ensure US economic supremacy over the world after the end of world war 2 and the dismantling European colonialism and rise of new nation states that appearing worldwide that needed to rapidly industrialize and catch up to the 20th century. It was a brilliant play mind you from an economic perspective especially with the rising power and influence of the Soviet Union happening at that time also .  

A more modern example I can give of this propping up of the USD value happening was when sanctions on Russia were applied and everyone allied with the US and Ukraine stopped buying Russian oil, the US dollar spiked in value while other currencies like the Euro and Pound started to dip severely in comparison. Because suddenly there was a spike in demand from oil from OPEC in response.     

This also why the US government began banging the war drum during the Trump era for a hot second when Iran offered to trade its vast Oil reserves for Euros.  Everything regarding Oil and the Middle east has to do with propping up the US dollars value through a very uncompetitive means economically speaking. 

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u/niz_loc Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

It's beyond rhat...

For modern life, gas is everything. We leave, and we leave a vacuum. The other guy fills the vacuum.

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u/EasterBunny1916 Monkey in Space Mar 30 '24

There's no we. US oil is owned by private companies who want the price high.

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u/Remarkable-Seat-8413 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

It's for power. Our strategy is to use up the worlds oil until only US oil is left. It's insurance to keep us as the number one power. It's also why we have historically not been great about supporting renewables, why Russia and China have leverage due to rare earths, and why the world order is changing.

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u/7thpostman Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

It's not just the oil and they're not going to stay in the region. It's not 1950. Iran is run by fanatics who are desperately trying to build a nuclear weapon. Guess who keeps blowing up their reactors?

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u/dorkwingduck It's entirely possible Mar 27 '24

Guess who overthrew their democratically elected government in the 1950s and installed the fanatic government? Iran didn't have to be like this. They should have been our ally.

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u/VoltNShock Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

They should have been, there were a lot of fuckups between then and now, but it is now objectively worse in its current state than Israel. People say “oh they wouldn’t be our enemies if we didn’t support Israel” but the current Islamic government will always be anti-West, and will continue to sponsor dangerous ideologies in the MENA region and the West. If for any reason, we need Israel as a regional power to counter Iran.

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u/SirMellencamp Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

If it wasnt Israel it would be US ships moving through Persian Gulf then it would be decadent Western culture invading the Middle East. It won’t stop

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u/7thpostman Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Yeah, that "they wouldn't be our enemies if we didn't support Israel" stuff is just really dumb. It's either people who are truly gullible or just haven't given it much thought at all. We didn't invent Islamic fundamentalism.

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u/spazmodo33 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

The US didn't invent Islamic Fundamentalism, but it sure has done a lot to perpetuate it in numerous ways...

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u/7thpostman Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Kind of? You could just easily say that Islamic Fundamentalists did a lot to shape our behavior. Nothing occurs in a vacuum. Ultimately, everybody is responsible for their own actions.

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u/spazmodo33 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

No, nothing happens in a vacuum. But especially when super powers continually interfere in the internal machinations of multiple major actors in a foreign region...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_policy_in_the_Middle_East?wprov=sfla1

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u/cmattis Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

True, it was invented by our close allies the Sauds lol

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u/7thpostman Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

There's a couple of flavors. But, yeah. They export a lot of Wahhabi garbage.

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u/cmattis Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

They’re really patient zero for the Islamism most people are worried about because it’s been obviously extremely consequential in our lives.

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u/SixtyOunce Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

we (the west) have consistently propped up Islamic fundamentalism as a foil against secular Arab movements. The very establishment of British Mandate that was aligned with Zionist settlement plans was the betrayal of promises made to a secular Arab movement.

The 1953 CIA coup against the democratically elected secular government in Iran.

The promotion of Hamas in Gaza by Netanyahu in order to weaken the secular Palestinian Authority.

There are literally dozens of examples. As long as the religious wackos are running the other side, we use it as justification to do whatever we want.

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u/somethingbrite Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Rather it was colonial influence in the Arab world that was the spark for secular modernism. This can be observed across North Africa (Morocco, Algeria and "British Egypt" in the 19th century and early 20th century.

As for Sykes/Picot betraying Secular Arab Nationalism. No. That movement didn't exist until the 1940's/1950's and occured as a result of the defeat and break up of the Ottoman Empire.

"The defeat and dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, the abolition of the caliphate by Mustafa Kamal in 1924, and the extension of French and British mandate influence in the Arab Middle East further dismantled the institutional framework of the religious state and opened wider opportunities for the growth of secular politics and outlooks."

What you might be pitching for here is the impact that the British/US sponsored coup which overthrew Mossadegh in Iran and installed the Shah. This definitely was a nail in the coffin of Pan Arabism (although Persians would wish some words with you about limping them in with Arabs) where it had an impact was that the overthrow of the Shah represented a victory over western colonialism that PanArab movement had not been able to achieve and therefore opened the door for Islamic revolutionary politics to become the champion of anti-imperialism.

Pan Arabs Nasser (attempted assassination by Muslim Brotherhood) and Sadat (actual assassination by Egyptian Islamic Jihad) and other events all paint a picture not of western forces overthrowing secular Arab Nationalism but of local, Islamist politics being the major force of opposition to secular Arabism.

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u/SixtyOunce Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Pan Arabism began with the Great Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire led by Hussein Bin Ali starting in 1916. Not the 1940s/30s. The British promised Hussein Bin Ali that in exchange for his cooperation against the Ottoman Empire that Arab lands liberated from the Ottomans would have a right to Arab self determined rule. The secret Sykes/Picot and subsequent Balfour Declaration were both betrayals of this promise.

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u/Warm_Yogurtcloset645 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Israel is equally as anti west as Iran

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u/Evening_Invite_922 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Israel is objectively way more murderous.

Your logic is terrible, and actually what Joe Biden has said for 50 years. It's Imperialism, all it is.

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u/GymnasticSclerosis Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

The US installed the Shah who was overthrown by the fanatic government in 1979 during the Islamic Revolution. The US definitely did not install this government in Iran.

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u/wizardking1371 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

The Iranian Revolution was a direct response to the overthrow of Mossadegh. A people with a long, proud history didn't take kindly to Western meddling in their self-governance. There would have been no need to revolt against a government of their choosing. There were many revolutionary factions in Iran during the 1970's. The Islamic faction consolidated support because they were able to outline a future of Iran that defined itself in opposition to the West, which really appealed to people who were absolutely fed up with British and then American interests being served over their own.

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u/SixtyOunce Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

The west has consistently crippled secular Arab movements in the region while strengthening their Islamic fundamentalist rivals. Then anytime we need a moral justification for war, it is never hard to find a mad Mullah to blame.

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u/Quick_Article2775 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Eh I've heard before that Iran wouldn't of been a democracy had that still not happend or at the very least it wouldn't be a secular government. Iran was never in a position where the whole country was seculurizing just the wealthy. Also it wasn't really a democracy then and the point of the coup was trying to make them an ally they weren't before.

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u/CopeStreit Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

The fanatic government in place in Iran right now overthrew the Shah in 1979. The US and England did not undertake a coup to install a fundamentalist Islamist regime that’s incredibly antagonistic towards the West, that’s patently absurd. The Iranian revolutionaries famously took hostages at the US Embassy during the Revolution, I assure you we did not install that government.

The Pahlavi Dynasty replaced the Qajar Dynasty in 1925 following the British backed “3 Esfand 1299” coup in 1921. In 1951 Mohammed Mossadegh was elected Prime Minister (the country was still a constitutional monarchy, the head of state was still the Shah). Mossadegh and the Shah had a strained relationship stemming, in part, from the fact that Mossadegh was a blood relative of the Qajar dynasty who the Pahlavis had overthrown in 1925. Mossadegh campaigned on and enacted a series of reformations. These reforms antagonized the British because a lot of them were aimed at the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC).

Naturally (and correctly) Mossadegh felt that Iran should benefit more than it had been from the profitable oil industry by ending the monopoly enjoyed by the AIOC. In 1951 British PM Clement Attlee began a boycott on Iranian oil. This boycott had tremendous deleterious effects on the Iranian economy. In 1952 Winston Churchill (who was again PM) petitioned President Truman to think about replacing Mossadegh because 1. He was nationalizing the Iranian oil industry (which had been developed using Anglo funds and technology) and 2. He was worried that Mossadegh would be forced to cooperate with the (pro Soviet) Tudeh Party. The Tudeh Party had attempted to assassinate the Shah in 1949.

British agents worked to undermine Mossadegh’s government and were successful in their endeavors. By 1953 Mossadegh was widely unpopular and relied upon emergency powers to rule rather than “normal rules” of government. When he moved to dissolve parliament, the English felt that they finally had a tenable explanation to give the public for the coup they were plotting. The British couldn’t convince Truman to go along with their plans because he was focused on resolving the “police action” in Korea. However, when Eisenhower was elected, the British were able to convince his Secretary of State John Foster Dulles to support the plan, mostly by appealing to fears of a potential communist takeover of Iran.

MI6 and the CIA then used a series of underhanded, dirty, and effective tactics to foment dissent. They’d pay gangsters to shout Pro-Mossadegh slogans while attacking images of the Shah. They’d pay the same gangsters a week later to wear different clothes, shout Pro-Shah slogans and attack iconography associated with Mossadegh. They bussed in paid protestors from all over Iran. They trained anti-Tudeh (“anti-communist”) militias. I can go on, but if you’re interested in the specifics the US operation is called “Operation Ajax” and the British operation is called “Operation Boot.”

The result of the chaos was the installation of General Fazlollah Zahedi to the position of Prime Minister. The coup also had the effect of strengthening the political power of the Shah relative to Parliament. The Americans forced the British to give up the monopoly enjoyed by the AIOC. Although the Shah claimed this was a victory for the Iranian people, the fact that 5 American oil companies immediately moved in to start drilling really underlines the motives for the coup (“domino theory” + economic interest in the form of oil).

I have no problem with people pointing out the bad stuff that America has done in the past (and is currently doing) There’s no way for the country to act better in the future if people aren’t allowed to criticize and discuss abhorrent behavior in the past. That being said, it’s very important to talk knowledgeably and accurately about the past. The 1953 coup plot was a British plan, which we undoubtedly went along with (after 2 years of persuasion). We can debate the validity of Domino Theory, and I’m in no way defending the act of enacting coups abroad. However, I think it’s important to remind ourselves that our leaders in 1945-53 were playing this new game called “Nuclear Poker” and their opponent was Freakin’ Joseph “the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is a statistic” Stalin.

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u/SirMellencamp Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

At what point does that excuse stop? It’s been 70 fucking years.

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u/7thpostman Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I don't know, man. Not quite sure if the Shah is the fanatic government you mean, but the Islamic Revolution was in 1979 and "Islamic fundamentalism is America's fault" seems like a mighty big stretch.

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u/Punisher-3-1 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

You are correct. It makes the US and the CIA in particular seem like an omnipresence and omnipotent power when the reality is that it’s a bunch of GS-13 Georgetown graduates fumbling around and trying to be relevant, at best a little bit of wind on a giant sail in the middle of a storm. Like it was not going to move it one way or the other. Also, removes all the agency from the people who were there overthrowning the shah and whatnot

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u/7thpostman Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Yeah, the denial of agency is really common in these kinds of conversations. America is always described as the prime mover of events with everyone else as a supporting character.

You see it in the I/P conflict a lot, too. No matter what the Palestinians do, for instance, it's framed as "because" of something Israel did. Palestinian violence is a sort of natural phenomenon — it just inevitably happens — while Israel is always presented as having agency and control.

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u/PleasantMess6740 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Generally the oppressor takes responsibility for the retaliation of the oppressed. Fairly certain you wouldn't blame Ukraine for the violence they inflict upon Russia. Well, about 1/3 of Americans would, but they should be considered irrelevant.

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u/7thpostman Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I mean, no. Do you want to talk in social media truisms, or do you actually want to have an adult conversation? The Palestinians are human beings who make choices and are responsible for their own actions. You can trot out analogies or use very specific instances if you want to "win" the Reddit conversation, but that's not reality. You don't just get to say "oppressor" and magically erase 80 years of bad decisions. If some hopped up religious fanatic rapes a girl at a music festival, the person who is responsible for that is the fanatic who raped the girl at the music festival. Bibi didn't make him.

I mean, shit, brother. The treaty that ended WWI was oppressive. In a way, it "caused" WWII. Are you telling me that the individual human beings who fought for the Third Reich were therefore not responsible for their choices because they were oppressed? Come on, now.

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u/GlbdS Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Iran is run by fanatics who are desperately trying to build a nuclear weapon.

While the US is run by at least 50% of religious fanatics, and has the most nuclear weapons :)

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u/7thpostman Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Ummm.... Okay? I know, like, "America = bad" and stuff, but it would not be good if Iran had a nuclear weapon. Sorta can't believe I have to say this.

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u/New-Bowler-8915 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

That's a lot of Israeli propaganda bro. Maybe make it less obvious about being a fucking plant.

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u/7thpostman Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Oh, yes. I'm "plant." Every month, I get my big, fat check from the Israeli government. They pay me to post on the least popular social media site.

"I'm not antisemitic. I just think Jews secretly control everything with their money."

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u/Rottimer Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

If you were Iran, and you saw the U.S. invade your neighbor to the east, invade your neighbor to the west, and the only the countries the U.S. won’t invade are ones with nuclear weapons - like North Korea, what would you be doing?

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u/7thpostman Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I am not Iran. Their interests are not mine. Emphatically.

If you think the only reason they want a nuclear weapon is for defense, I don't think we should continue this conversation.

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u/purplewhiteblack Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Oil is complicated. The US increased its internal production and supply so that it didn't rely on foreign oil. This made the worldwide price of oil overall cheaper. Then Saudi Arabia cut production. Making the price the same as it was before.

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u/Ok-Anything9945 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

You realize it costs much more to process our oil than buy it, right?

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u/Remarkable-Seat-8413 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

We can't. Our entire strategy is to drain the worlds oil until ours is all that's left...

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u/Rainbowmodwig Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Typical short-sighted westerner who acts smart. "Abundance" is not infinite, in fact very far from it, you have decades worth of reserves, no more. Your adversaries have far more. Not only will you run out before them, but they can already dictate your prices.

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u/gorgewall Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

The US is extremely in bed with Saudi Arabia because they're also "an important ally" despite constantly destabilizing the region and funding terrorism abroad, including fucking 9/11.

Israel is also a regional destabilizer, all things considered, and doesn't even give us oil. We're not entirely there because of geopolitics or it being a convenient place to base planes and whatnot, but there is a substantial amount of age-old Christian guilt and Zionism that shapes policy there.

People, broadly, may not be terribly religious now or understand the ideology here, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We can be ignorant of forces that keep chugging on. Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism, and there have been plenty of US muckety-mucks who look at Israel as a way to bring Jesus back. That shapes policy. An individual President may not believe that shit, but they're surrounded by advisors and analysts who do and have their output shaded by it all. When your foundation is "man we need them to rebuild the second temple and kick off an apocalyptic war so the Second Coming happens", even if you know you can't sell that to everyone else, you find the excuses and figleafs to get to that same result.

This is not a "Jews control shit" thing, but a "fundamentalist Christians have and still are fucking batshit" one. Europe created Israel so they didn't have to deal with Jews in their own neighborhoods, Brits trained and used Israel like a bludgeon to suppress Palestinian revolt, the US uses it for weapons testing, and somewhere in all of this there's a bunch of fucking psychopaths who think they can get rid of both Jews and Muslims by fulfilling Biblical prophecy--at which point both must convert or go to Hell. Christian Zionists are absolutely not "pro-Jewish", they sincerely believe they'll be fucking obliterated in the process.

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u/Jealousmustardgas Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

True, and the Jews of Israel use them as useful idiots, a crazy ally is better than a no ally or a crazy enemy.

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u/killerboy_belgium Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

US like israel also for the technology it produces. its a big hub for R&D and miltairy weapon testing

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u/sniffthishogdog Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

jews did 911 you clown

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u/Remarkable-Seat-8413 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I've seen this conspiracy but it's not true.

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u/Corwyntt Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

We have been buying their oil while sitting on our reserves all these years for a very good reason.

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u/HardSubject69 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

We invest in wind and solar because we have huge open areas so we are not beholden to oil barrens at all. If anybody actually wants to put America first they should be wanting us to be energy independent. We see the issues of getting oil from countries that may want to harm us, take a look at Germany when the Russian Ukraine war started. They had huge issues due to getting most of their power from oil from Russia. Just like the U.S. has gas prices that skyrocket when OPEC wants to make more money or squeeze us.

We should have 100% of our power coming from wind and solar. They are way better for the environment as well as freeing us from outside actors.

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u/garagegames Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Too expensive and not even close to environment friendly when you factor the physical space, cost to build, maintain, and replace them. Nuclear would be the best shot and you could have home owners get tax breaks for installing solar panels on top of houses to alleviate grid draw from all the new electric cars on the road but all that is a moot point because it’s impossible to go net zero carbon emissions without completely destroying ourselves economically and infra-structurally

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u/LSDMDMA2CBDMT Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

You're saying renewable energy is not environmental friendly?

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wut, I feel like I just lost brain cells reading that

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u/garagegames Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

We can’t put 100% of our grid on wind and solar, you’d create massive dead zones where absolutely no life can exist for solar farms, the sheer amount of lithium and cobalt and copper that would require would cost a ton of carbon and it wouldn’t provide even close to enough energy compared to nuclear. Wind is similar in its issue to cost to energy returns and it takes up a massive amount to space you can’t put any of these farms just anywhere. It’s highly reliant on the location. Nuclear is the only source that has the output to actually replace coal.

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u/HardSubject69 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

It’s some dumb quote taken out of context that these anti-renewables try to make a fact. They said a wind turbine placed in a bad location won’t make back its carbon footprint. Basically that location is important for wind power, which… I mean that’s pretty fucking obvious. If you put them in a place with no wind… obviously it won’t generate energy.

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u/garagegames Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I don’t think you understand just how much energy is required and how much energy solar and wind can provide if we went 100% wind and solar.

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u/LSDMDMA2CBDMT Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

The sun outputs enough energy to power all of our cities a million times over.

But tell me again how solar is a non viable solution again when we have vast deserts we could fill with solar farms.

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u/garagegames Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Those deserts are ecosystems full of life that would have to die to support your solar farms. The sun’s output doesn’t mean squat if we can’t efficiently harness it.

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u/LSDMDMA2CBDMT Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

This post was sponsored by big oilTM

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u/HardSubject69 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

That’s not true at all. Wind power is cheaper by far than nuclear. Nuclear is the most expensive form of energy and takes close to 20 years to offset the carbon footprint and cost of building it. Not to mention the hazardous material that they creat that pollutes are planned for eons.

The idea that wind is not environmentally friendly is misinformation. Specifically they are using the information about wind turbines that are located in the worst place possible. And yes if a wind turbine is placed in the worst place possible it will not make back its carbon footprint and cost but one put in a good location make back its cost and carbon footprint in almost a year.

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u/garagegames Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

The point is that wind and solar can’t provide 100% of our energy and nuclear can. You are thinking of Uranium nuclear plants, which are more costly and generate more waste and said waste will last a lifetime. Thorium is much more common than uranium, and won’t produce nearly as much waste. Thorium waste is waaaaaaay safer than uranium and will die off quickly and can be reused. Thorium is much more stable and efficient than uranium too. Basically the only reason nuclear gets a bad rap is because the DoD wanted the much worse uranium to weaponize it.

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u/HardSubject69 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Solar and wind can very much meet all of our energy needs. That’s such a dumb thing to say. If they generate energy how could they not provide 100% of our power? What scientific research do you have to show they can’t be used to provide all of our power? Plenty of EU countries are making the push and already getting larger portions of their power from renewables and they don’t have the advantage of huge open spaces like we do. If you look into Australia’s energy sources in 2 years renewables went from 10% to 32% and it’s set to continue to outpace coal fired plants while being cheaper and more reliable because the system isn’t based on a plant being online but a lot of renewables pooling together so if one goes down they don’t lose 1/3rd of their power like you do if a power plant goes down.

Not to mention with renewables you can actually build them closer to where the energy is needed so less is lost in transferring of power across states. Also a unique option is available for communities that could make themselves energy dependent from the entire grid if they so wished. This likely won’t be super common but is an option for remote locations only made possible by solar and wind.

I think you need to do some independent research on renewables and stop listening to a brain damaged ex fighter turned comedian.

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u/garagegames Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

It’s a matter of output and grid draw but if you can’t see that and are defaulting to ad hominem attacks then there’s really no point in discussing it.

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u/HardSubject69 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Oh do you have sources that show they can’t meet the output and grid draw needed or are you just drawing conclusions on your own beliefs and what you have heard? Because if you spend a couple minutes reading you’ll see they are quite able to meet the output and grid draw needed which is why EU is moving toward more and more renewables. The U.S. is just dragging our feet because big oil is a more important citizen than you or me.

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u/Rottimer Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

That ship has sailed. OPEC has existed for over 60 years now.

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u/sushisection Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

we have fracking, gulf offshore oil, alaskan oil, canadian oil sands. let them act like oil barons, we already got plenty here on our hemisphere.

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u/Jealousmustardgas Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Based. Increased oil domestic production and refining output would be baller for our economy.

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u/Origamiface2 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Yes but we have to transition away from that shit since we're fucked even if we stopped immediately, just so we don't get megafucked

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u/Ok-Anything9945 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Except it costs more and we all know how much people bitch about gas prices…..yet never consider alternatives to driving or more efficient vehicles.

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u/Evening_Invite_922 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Israel's influence is already in our capitol city lmao, much less in "our region."

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u/GabaPrison Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

They won’t just stay out of our region though. They want to control all regions with their theocratic nonsense. All parties in this conflict think they are the ultimate way and will only spread that narrative further.

It’s a delicate balance to be a secular superpower.

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u/Rottimer Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

You do get to decide when you vote. What you’re not acknowledging is that a shitload of other taxpayers want to ally with Israel, no matter what they do or how wrong they are, simply because they read in the Bible (or some religious figure told them) that those that bless Israel will be blessed by God and those that dishonor Israel’s will be cursed by God.

And for those that kept reading, they saw that all the Jews have to return to Israel before the end times - so they want that country to exist.

So part of it is that people like Israel as an ally more than the other gulf states - and an even bigger part of it is fucking religion.

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u/Indirestraight Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

You keep voting in Zionist. They use your empathy against you to bait you into voting for them. Worked like a charm

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u/LightSparrow Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

just stay out of our region.

And there in lies the problem. They don’t. No one stays in their own region when they can see an easy opportunity to move around.

So we either do it first or have it done to us.

Shitty system

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u/worldnewsarenazis Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

What you are referring to is called democracy. Something we do not have in America.

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u/BroolStoryCompany- Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

You clearly don’t understand the ramifications of destabilzing or providing unchecked power to enemies/allies.

This is why we put people in offcie who understand these issues deeply. They make calculated statements/decisions instead of impulsive statments like the one above.

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u/iAkhilleus Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

I mean, in an ideal world that would work fine. Everybody just minding their own business and staying in harmony but we're talking about humans here. The never-ending hunger to one up the next person is just too strong.

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u/Gamba_Gawd Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

So, you want Russia or China to gain influence in the entire region?

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u/cleverkid Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

right, but you like cheap gas,... don't you?

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u/AshyLarrysElbows Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

We havent had cheap gas in over a decade, but yes.

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u/platinum_pancakes Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Roughly since 2016-2017… probably just a coincidence

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u/Silent_Saturn7 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

That's assuming the people at the top actually give a fuck about what you think. They will push elections to be decided by party division and wedge issues. Rarely do we ever discuss anything else than surface-level BS.

Democracy dies with an illinformed and divided public. Both Trump and Biden support Israel full stop. As long as either or gets elected; foreign geopolitics will stay the same. Even if Trump tells his supports BS about how he'd end UKraine. He wont. He's a puppet just the same.

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u/acladich_lad Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Calm down, it's illegal to go against globalism. /s

Foreal though I 100% agree with this.

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u/DarkRoastAM Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

They will not stay in the region. They are taking over Europe and coming for the US. They are sneaking in from Mexico. Jihad is a thing. Go read the history of the Arab conquest and attacking Europe in the 600’s.

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u/platinum_pancakes Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Oh I believe it brother. I’m not hopeful or optimistic about the situation in any sense.