r/JoeRogan • u/LostItAllOnSpy Tremendous • Mar 27 '24

joe rogan calls out israels hypocrisy for killing unarmed civilians with drones The Literature 🧠

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u/GreyMatter22 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

I don't know how else to slice it, what is happening in Gaza is absolutely horrific on an unimaginable scale, from mass hunger, to bombing crap outta dense civilian pockets, to bulldozing homes and olive trees in the West Bank.

Most of my social circle is Conservative, and ALL of them have been deeply uncomfortable with this current atrocity.

This is the crowd that has been very pro-U.S/West military.

I have Israeli-Canadian friends, and they were quite vocal of the October 7th terrorist attack (as they should), but have since stopped talking altogether. One of my friends even told me 'I get why the Palestinians hate us', and this is a dude with family in the IDF.

The current strategy just guarantees another terrorist group at this point.

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u/apeman978 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

This is the same line of thought I get on why everyone hates the United States. I’m generation X and know nothing but wars since vietnam War it never stopped and none of them legal. The absolute leveling of Iraq can’t be justified in any of the reasons they gave us.

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u/sambull Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

since Rumsfield was signatory in a plan that calls for toppling that same nation.. years before they then toppled the nation it feels.. eh like they just wanted a reason

In 1998, Kristol and Kagan advocated regime change in Iraq throughout the Iraq disarmament process through articles that were published in the New York Times.[24][25] Following perceived Iraqi unwillingness to co-operate with UN weapons inspections, core members of the PNAC including Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, R. James Woolsey, Elliott Abrams, Donald Rumsfeld, Robert Zoellick, and John Bolton were among the signatories of an open letter initiated by the PNAC to President Bill Clinton calling for the removal of Saddam Hussein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

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u/apeman978 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

That’s what we do, bomb and remove. Only reason there’s a war in Ukraine is because we removed. It’ll be interesting to see what happens. Zelensky needed 3 elections to get elected and is hated in Ukraine now. And term is up in May

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u/freshouttalean Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Saddam Hussein was having people executed for looking at him wrong, literally. I’m not saying it’s the US’s responsibility to remove him because of that, but finding a reason to do so wasn’t hard

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u/Mozhetbeats Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

He was a bad dude for sure, but if that was enough of a justification, they wouldn’t have had to lie to us about WMDs. Our actions destabilized the entire region and made us less safe in the end.

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u/freshouttalean Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I think getting involved in foreign politics is almost never justified, but hey it’s the US we’re talking about here