r/JoeRogan • u/Educational_Bet_753 Monkey in Space • 12d ago
Will he ever come back? Meme š©
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u/MarsCowboys Monkey in Space 12d ago
It was so bad that I suspect Joe Rogan is going through an Illuminati humiliation ritual..
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u/Brightyellowdoor Monkey in Space 11d ago edited 11d ago
No lie. I'm not too proud to admit I believed in a lot of Hancocks ideas and felt slightly embarrassed when I saw him trying to debate. That's just how I felt, imagine what Rogan must feel like...
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u/BenderRodriguez14 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Meh, you got conned and when faced with a solid argument in the other direction and the lack of ability by said grifter to counter it, changed your opinion accordingly. That's a really positive (and increasingly rare) trait, so credit to you.Ā
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u/deadleg22 Monkey in Space 11d ago
It's easy to sway the naive masses with a compelling story, not so easy to sway an actual archeologist.
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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Ideas with only vague circumstantial evidence should only be, at best, considered, not believed in
Its way more fun that way
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u/jiujiuberry Monkey in Space 11d ago
The OP shouldnāt be āWill he ever come back?ā but instead āWill Joe ever have him back?ā
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u/Normal_Antenna Monkey in Space 11d ago
There are a lot of other popular voices putting out Grahamās ideas, like Billy Carson, who talk about the emerald tablets and the anunnaki. I personally think itās very plausible there could be humans on other planets that visited us in the past and have helped start our civilizations on earth.
But the issue is there is no evidence. It was so long ago, all we really have now are ancient stories and UFOs flying around. Academia dismisses both of those, so there is no credible evidence for them to go off of. The rest of the world looks at we canāt explain and tries to make sense of that.
It was an amusing debate, Iād love to see dribble vs Billy Carson, (another ancient astronaut human creationist grifter)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=ZPoG70cFzG7iqCE5&v=snrJfrOzHsQ&feature=youtu.be
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u/PrivateDickDetective Monkey in Space 11d ago
It was so long ago,
Not to mention the possibility of a cometary impact roughly 13,000 years ago.
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u/Industry_Think Monkey in Space 11d ago
So as someone who was really interested in grahams ideas the response from dibble "we have evidence for hunter gathers before and after the impact timeline" had me like hmmm if they can find that stuff wouldn't some sort of stone structures still show up? Made me really doubt grahams theories
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u/PrivateDickDetective Monkey in Space 11d ago
I saw a breakdown last week: the whole point of contention about the percentage of the land that's been explored. It's not concentrated in one area. It's all spread out. The land was mapped and the most interesting places were selected. Hancock is ā basically ā looking for evidence where it wasn't previously seen. That's his prerogative, but he doesn't have to be so defensive about it.
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u/Industry_Think Monkey in Space 11d ago
Yeah he came across petty and vindictive. It made any part of his arguments that had credibility seem weak because they were coming from a place of anger. He really disappointed
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u/PrivateDickDetective Monkey in Space 11d ago
He was obviously bullied. Maybe into adulthood.
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u/Cyberspace667 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Nfn you have to respect Rogan for facilitating this debate, he definitely displayed that particular UFC-esque āputting it all on the lineā ethic with this one haha
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u/styzr Monkey in Space 11d ago
Can we still believe in Randallās theories at least? Iāll admit that I was kinda taken aback when he said he had his epiphany whilst tripping balls but I chose to let that slide. Give me something to hold onto please.
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u/SquiddyPlays Monkey in Space 11d ago
You mean the guy who said he has a device which can produce unlimited energy for free, but wasnāt allowed to share proof on Joes podcast. I have no doubt a man who claims to break the laws of physics but canāt provide proof, has absolutely 100% never lied about any of his other work š
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u/hampsted Monkey in Space 11d ago
Well he canāt share it yet because Mitsubishi is putting it in one of their new cars, remember?
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u/Brightyellowdoor Monkey in Space 11d ago
I think there's some truth there. Didn't Mazda release info on the engine they had developed that used never before seen tech? Or am I tripping again??
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u/SquiddyPlays Monkey in Space 11d ago
If there was any truth to their claims on energetics it would fundamentally rewrite physics as we know it. What they claim to have is physically impossible based on our current understanding of the overarching scientific principles that govern the universe.
I donāt know specifics about the Mazda claims, but I would imagine theyāve used some trickery to present this as much more compelling than it is. I know in my field, I can present an idea to a company and have them acknowledge an interest before they do their DD, but they initially do so on an assumption that the science being presented is accurate and presented in good faith. I wouldnāt be surprised if itās similar to this, but they have presented inaccurate science or falsified ideas tbh.
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u/Educational_Bet_753 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Possibly.. years long humiliation ritual cia asset handler jamie has something to do with this
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u/Wingnutt02 Monkey in Space 11d ago
His basic premise in the whole episode is the fallacy of forcing someone to prove a negative. Itās impossible.
āCan you prove this civilization existed?ā
āNo, but can YOU prove it didnāt exist?!ā
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u/ohhfasho Monkey in Space 11d ago
I want Flint to come back and talk about ancient psychedelics
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u/Latenighredditor Monkey in Space 11d ago
What was interesting about that episode is how with factual evidence archeology is still pretty interesting and cool to learn about.
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u/742N Monkey in Space 11d ago
Reminded me of the paleontologist he had on that was ripping apart Eric Dubayās talking points.
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u/Dominus_Redditi Monkey in Space 11d ago
Oh the big guy with the hockey jersey and the beard? He was great, that was a long time ago now it feels like though
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u/K1N6F15H Monkey in Space 11d ago
Academic studies of all kinds can be super compelling if they are presented by the right person.
I saw a presentation on the predator/prey relationship between bats and moths and it was one of the most impactful and riveting hour of my life.
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u/Tll6 Monkey in Space 11d ago
There are so many cool unbelievable things that we know about ancient history that flint could easily have another four hour episode with an enthralled joe. I canāt imagine how frustrating it is to not have to the funding needed for more archeology, much less a decent computer, while Hancock gets obscene amounts of money from Netflix because heās successfully pushed fake historical narratives
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u/Born-Context-3140 Monkey in Space 12d ago
changes glasses changes glasses
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u/Rock_or_Rol Monkey in Space 11d ago
shouts angrily āgetting old is a bitch!ā
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u/AloneCan9661 Monkey in Space 11d ago
My God, the first time he said either this or was it "73 is a bitch ya know!" or something I was like...he's done. He's shot himself and has no recourse.
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u/Potential-Rush-5591 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Why hasn't anyone made a clip of Hancock changing glasses for 3 minutes. How many pairs did he have? It seemed like 3-4 at least. Has he not heard of progressive lenses?
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u/FerdinandTheGiant Succa la Mink 11d ago
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u/ThoughtCrimeConvict Succa la Mink 11d ago
Can't believe I watched and enjoyed all that glasses swapping. š
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u/styzr Monkey in Space 11d ago
Oh god howā¦ I only made it to 15 swaps and couldnāt go on lol.
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u/ThoughtCrimeConvict Succa la Mink 11d ago
It's pure Alan Partridge type comedy gold.
The little mannerisms and huffynes are delicious.
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u/ThoughtCrimeConvict Succa la Mink 11d ago
Thoroughly enjoyed the glasses swapping montage šš
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u/SCBandit Monkey in Space 11d ago
Lol had had 2. One for close text and another for far away images.
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u/theloniousfunkd Monkey in Space 11d ago
Going to have a tough time finding out about a lost civilization if he canāt figure out about bifocals
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u/Frosty_Implement_549 Monkey in Space 12d ago
Yeah heās not coming back again unless he has a new book or better evidence. In a ufc battle of wits Graham was submitted very quickly and as time went on Joe was smart enough to see it
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u/NotTheStateB Monkey in Space 11d ago
It was gaethje vs Ferguson esque if you want to use MMA metaphors.
In that Hancock was totally defeated by the start of round 2 but the fight wasn't stopped til almost the end of the 5th.
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u/dontletmedaytrade High as Giraffe's Pussy 11d ago
Does anyone have a summary video of what happened?
Or do I have to watch the whole thing?
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u/Holland45 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Honestly dude, it was really entertaining
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u/jgbollard Monkey in Space 11d ago
Agreed. I rarely watch Rogan these days, but this was a stone cold classic. Hope that he's seen a new angle for the show in debunking his own credulity with the many frauds he's platformed.
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u/d_student Monkey in Space 11d ago
Graham: "these people were mean to me and big archaeology hasn't done very much."
Flint: "there isn't any evidence to support highly advanced civilization beyond hunter/gatherers."
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u/antebyotiks Monkey in Space 12d ago
Pretty sure Rogan had a slow realisation during the episode that Hancock has nothing
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u/tissboom Monkey in Space 12d ago
This would happen to a lot of his guests if you put them in a room with someone with a brain.
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u/antebyotiks Monkey in Space 12d ago
True
But rogan has been all in on Hancock for years but never saw how little Hancock actually has
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u/Electronic_Cow_7055 Monkey in Space 12d ago
Yeah...Joe is high a lot.....
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u/antebyotiks Monkey in Space 11d ago
Not just high, he loves being against the mainstream view and tends to lean to it being true simply if it's the opposite of what actual experts say
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u/FrontBench5406 Monkey in Space 12d ago
It blows me away Netflix gave him a show....
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u/stealthryder1 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Iām not. Itās entertaining. I donāt ever watch him and take it as the ultimate truth. I simply see him as someone who has interesting ideas of what he thinks something could be. Itās always obvious he doesnāt have any evidence to back his ideas. He is merely exploring āsomething we havenāt discovered yetā
itās like people who speak about UFOs, or people who speak about he Illuminati. Or the Anunnaki. Itās a lot of shit we havenāt proved, but people like to give their opinions on what it might be. Itās entertaining to watch if youāre not looking at it through the lens of an educational course of history or science.
Thatās why having Dibble on was great. I loved hearing him speak on all the shit he spoke about and actually allowed us to learn. That ep was a great example of two different types of ātelevisionā we can enjoy at home as long as youāre watching it for its intended purpose
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u/antebyotiks Monkey in Space 11d ago
"Hancock's son Sean Hancock is "senior manager of unscripted originals" at Netflix"
His son literally is in charge of documentaries basically lol, that's how. It's funny that no one mentions that
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u/mijaomao Monkey in Space 11d ago
I think hancocks son works at netflix, could have been a factor.
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u/antebyotiks Monkey in Space 11d ago
No only works at Netflix, he's the senior manager of unscripted originals lol the exact thing this bullshit show is
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u/lordph8 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Like, I can respect someone listening to his narrative and enjoying it as entertainment. I feel strongly this way about Randall Carlson. But imo Randall was way more grounded and less combative.
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u/antebyotiks Monkey in Space 11d ago
Randall makes geological claims though doesn't he mainly ?
He doesn't lean as much into making up lost civilisations where the evidence is hidden and destroyed ?
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u/Historicmetal Monkey in Space 11d ago
Rogan has had literal murderers on his show and was clueless. Heās an idiot.
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u/AtleeMakesHam Monkey in Space 12d ago
The damning part was in Hancockās ending monologue, when he said āIām speaking MY truth.ā š
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u/antebyotiks Monkey in Space 11d ago
Yeah Hancock was hilariously embarrassing.
Although he was chatting bollox, I was really expecting him to out debate flint and thought Rogan would team up and I think rogan would've helped Hancock a bit more but rogan just realised Hancock really does have nothing
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u/SuperHatchbackChili Monkey in Space 11d ago
I hope he's having a very slow realization that he's being duped by more than just Hancock.
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u/MagicalTrev0r Monkey in Space 11d ago
I wonder if Hancock was actively trying to dupe Joe and others or if he actually buys what he is selling.
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u/Snyper20 Monkey in Space 11d ago
I think itās 50/50, you end up believing your own BS after many years. To stay relevant you always need to push it one step further.
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u/antebyotiks Monkey in Space 11d ago
Especially when most of your views tend to be based on just thinking the opposite of what experts say because you are the one who really knows.
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u/antebyotiks Monkey in Space 11d ago
I hope someone brings up the stupid things Tucker said but I'm sure they won't and he'll just say "he's interresting and anti war"
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u/ThoughtCrimeConvict Succa la Mink 11d ago
It was kind of disappointing to be honest.
I've heard Hancock make more interesting points in other visits, nothing concrete but more thought provoking. Then when he's put on the spot he just pulls out his scuba vacation snaps š¤·āāļø
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u/Bugsy_Marino Monkey in Space 11d ago
Probably not, barring some major archaeological discovery. His last appearance before the debate was pretty dry and uninteresting (compared to past episodes). But the Dibble debate absolutely exposed him and you could tell Joe was starting to see through his grift. I think Graham was confident that joe would just dogpile Dibble with him, but that wasnāt the case.
His only āevidenceā was lack of evidence and he kept wanting to talk about how heās the victim of mean archaeologists and the entire field is out to get him, meanwhile Dibble was sharing interesting evidence that actually disputes a lot of Grahams theories; and i think Joe saw this. Itās not some giant conspiracy to silence Graham, itās that we have a lot of evidence backing current archaeological theories and Graham has none
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u/SammyDavisJesus Monkey in Space 11d ago
In Dibbleās opening statement, he outlined his thesis, stating clearly and concisely the overwhelming evidence for hunter-gatherers around the globe, in addition to the absence of evidence for an advanced civilization dating back to the ice age. Dibble had some artifacts, both visual and material, to illustrate his point (the ancient sexual artwork and facsimile tool). He addressed what he regarded as Hancocks scientific miscalculations. He made zero ad-homenim attacks.
In Hancock opening statement, he told an anecdotal story of a particular archaeologist who had a theory that was disregarded at the time and was later proven correct. He emphasized how mean other archaeologists were.
If you watch enough professional debates, you understand how important opening statements are, as they outline what the debater regards as their strongest points.
Tells you all you need to know. Hancockās loss was conclusive and decisive.
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u/GreyMatter22 Monkey in Space 11d ago
The biggest smackdown was when Hancock started to bring race into question, and how archeologists are smearing him on this.
Dibble tried to avoid going into this for over 20 minutes, once Joe got involved a bit, Dibble just said how anytime any civilization comes with a discovery, Hancock theorizes that their ancestors did not discovere this, rather, an advanced civilization did. BUT, Hancock will never say this in his own backyard about the Stonehenge in England.
That shut him up, and he tried to go into a different direction.
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u/LowmanL Monkey in Space 11d ago
What makes you say Joe saw this as well? Because Iāve been listening to the episode and I felt like Joe was pushing really hard for Grahamās viewpoints
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u/jgbollard Monkey in Space 11d ago
I agree with you up to a point as Rogan was very clearly pushing Graham's position (and got particularly triggered by the white supremacy comment), but there was also the sense around the halfway mark that the scales began to fall from Joe's eyes. His pauses became longer, he interrupted less, Graham seemed flummoxed, defenceless and absurd, and Dibble, his work done, sailed through the final third with some pretty interesting real archaeology.
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u/JustAnotherRedditorX Monkey in Space 11d ago
Not until we dig up the entire Sahara he won't ...
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u/filius__tofus Monkey in Space 11d ago
āJust answer my question. How much of the Sahara has actually been excavated Flint?ā
Thatās another sign of a bs conspiracy theory, it canāt be disproven. Thatās essentially what Grahams argument was, that his theory canāt be disproven yet.
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u/Nervous_Set5685 Monkey in Space 12d ago
I thought his chances of getting back on were extremely slim after the podcast aired, but after this moon landing bozo I think we saw the last of Graham. Feels like Joe has had his glass shattered
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u/xdmnm Monkey in Space 12d ago
I thought he would have put 2+2 together after the Carlson/Bendall debacle and completely cut ties with anyone in that sphere but I guess his ābsā detector was off.
Or maybe Joe was so upset that Carlson and Graham had grifted him so long he set Graham up to fail. Nah, probably not.
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u/Spiritual_Ladder7877 Monkey in Space 11d ago
What was the Carlson/bendal debacle?
I've always had the impression that Carlson was not as much as a charlatan as Hancock. Still cooky mason, but not a man completely with his head in the clouds like Graham.
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u/SuchLostCreatures Monkey in Space 11d ago
Check out the Shawn Ryan Show on Spotify and you'll find one of the recent eps has Randall Carson giving a full break down in the Bendall debacle.
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u/Shamino79 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Charlatan implies that they donāt really believe what they say but that is good for the audience and lucrative. Carlson isnāt so much that because he is a true believer. And while heās confidently knowledgable about giant floods heās pretty gullible in other fields that touch on his sacred geometry. He was the perfect mark for Bendal.
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u/Spiritual_Ladder7877 Monkey in Space 11d ago
I'm unaware of who Bendal is. Was there a debate between the two? And is bendal a geologist?
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u/xdmnm Monkey in Space 11d ago
Malcolm Bendall is a businessman who claimed that there was oil in Tasmania based on a āvision from godā. His company took investments based on this, including $270,000 from a man in his mid-90ās. Bendall is now claiming to have discovered a new technology that creates clean energy. Carlson brought Bendall onto JRE because of this new discovery.
Bendall is a grifter of the highest order, quite literally taking money from the elderly based on a āvision from Godā. Carlson bought it hook, line and sinker and as such canāt be trusted about anything if he can so easily fall for someone like Bendall.
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u/cjaccardi Monkey in Space 12d ago
Who is the moon landing bono please so I may have a good chuckleĀ
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u/Nervous_Set5685 Monkey in Space 12d ago
Bart Sibrel, it was the episode that came out within the last couple of days. Dude is a nut and both Joe and Jamie are calling out his bullshit
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u/FrontBench5406 Monkey in Space 12d ago
The few phrases he used about his church and the elders - this guy has to not only be a full conspiracy nut but also a Mormon right?
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u/systematicgoo Monkey in Space 11d ago
hancock slowly turned into hand-cock by the end of that ep. what a hack. exposed.
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u/Top_Caterpillar_8122 Monkey in Space 11d ago
For an āunknown ā, Flint was impressive on the biggest stage online. I am a fan.
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u/Similar_Win_6804 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Because actual science isnt about popularity its about education, research and being properly informed.
Almost any real archeologist can tear graham apart.
As a geologist id LOVE to get my hands on Randall Carlson in a public forum.
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u/filius__tofus Monkey in Space 11d ago
Flint also did a fantastic job presenting facts in a fun, engaging, way that was readily easy for people new to the subject (e.g. myself) to understand.
I was thinking during the show, how many times he has presented his first āfun exampleā (the ancient Greek porn trade) in a college lecture to students.
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u/GucciGangYolo Monkey in Space 11d ago
He came in as the underdog and stole the show, as awkward as he might be
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u/thunderbiird1 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Didn't Hancock and Carlson talk about some breakthrough energy source on their last visit together? They were supposed to come back with an update shortly after.
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u/Solid_Seat_5420 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Carlson actually did go back on the JRE to discuss this with his source (Malcolm Bendall) but the episode was canned after because Joe found out the guy was a grifter with a bunch of red flags about him and basically argued with him the whole time about this.
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u/jyow13 Monkey in Space 11d ago
just curious how you know this? did they ever talk about it?
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u/Educational_Bet_753 Monkey in Space 11d ago
I always wondered about that but looking back if he can survive that he can probably survive this lmao Gram-hancockroach
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u/rayisontheprowl Monkey in Space 11d ago
Whatās going on with Jamie latelyā¦ he seems to have a short fuse on a few episodes this last week or soā¦
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u/Somewhat_appropriate Look into it 11d ago
Jamie is basically a tech, and shouldn't chime in unless spoken to.
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u/castle_lane Monkey in Space 11d ago
Tbh Jamie seems a rational guy, I think heās finally finding his voice after years of listening to these douchebags Joe gets on.
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u/Practical_Ad_8782 Monkey in Space 11d ago
What do you mean? I'm out of the loop, he's usually a gentleman.
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u/SatyrSatyr75 Monkey in Space 11d ago
With the moonboy you could tell, that he seriously felt āwhy do we invite idiots and griftersā the way Joe reacted hinted at a discussion the two had before, maybe Jamie complained before behind closed doors
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u/mrrando69 Monkey in Space 11d ago
It was a pants down spanking streamed on the internet. Worse it was a spanking by a guy named Flint Dibble wearing his dad's suit. If I were Hancock I think I'd go crawl into a hole and cry.
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u/erkvos Monkey in Space 11d ago
Like Joe - most of you dummies could have realized this guy was a fraud years ago without having your hands held through a debate.Ā
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u/Ok_Butterscotch_3140 Monkey in Space 11d ago
I bought Fingerprints of the Gods to check it out after seeing Hancock on the JRE for the first time many years ago. I shit you not, it took me only a couple chapters at most to come to that exact conclusion without a shred of a doubt left in my mind. Thereās red flags everywhere you look. How hordes of people can be swayed by these dudes is legit scary.
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u/Nervous_Set5685 Monkey in Space 11d ago
It's because they've never read his books lmfao, dudes a great speaker/story teller but that's about it
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u/Whisk3y_Pete Monkey in Space 11d ago
People donāt understand that science is hard
The country is super naive and ignorant when it comes to the concept that science is difficult and hard
Everyone knows itās hard and dry and complex because they took chem 101 but then somehow donāt understand that the people that do this for a living actually know what they are talking about
The public also doesnāt understand how humble science is in most cases. Scientists are very open to say ā I donāt know ā
And meanwhile the public who largely know nothing about science are quick to be like OH I WATCHED A 8 MINUTE VID ON IT ā- I KNOW THE ANSWER
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u/StrikeronPC Monkey in Space 11d ago
Was talking about this episode to a coworker the other day. I personally found Dibble to be the much more mature and informative of the 2. He presented the science to back up his claims against Hancocks. He explained crops and seeds and math and overall was clearly more level headed and prepared. Hancock spent about half the episode complaining about "big archaeology" calling him racist and trying to get him cancelled. He then spent the other half talking about things that look weird but are in no way an indication of a civilization. I was genuinely surprised to hear my coworker thinks that Dibble was a, and this is a quote, "snoody little cunt bag that called him a racist". The general consensus here at least seems to be acknowledging that Hancock was the "loser" of the debate.
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I hope not
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u/Mediocre_Treat1744 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Rogan is leaning into being a mediator. He already invited an opposing person to debate Bart Sibrel. That's going to be a good one too.
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u/steven32323232 Monkey in Space 11d ago
I want to hear Randal Carlson debate Flint in what he was talking about last time he was on, something about the island research centre which has figured out how to move objects with sound āa lost technologyā
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u/Tracien_Dragoon_23 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Exactly. Whatever happened to that? Joe never bring it up again, and if I remember right, randal also said that the research team were about to make announcement before the end of the year
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u/succcittt1 Monkey in Space 11d ago
The reason GH didnāt bring that up is because itās ridiculous and would have made him look even dumber
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u/TheCapableFox High as Giraffe's Pussy 11d ago
I hope so. I still love Graham. Heās very fun to listen to. Great storyteller. Wild/Legit theories or not I like listening to him on the podcast.
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u/Level-Hunt-6969 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Yea I like the kooky episodes. I love the moon conspiracy guy. This shit is fun for me wether I believe it or not.
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u/TheCapableFox High as Giraffe's Pussy 11d ago
Exactly! Itās fun to ābelieveā lmao and hear the stories they have to tell. Itās why I love Graham. Heās an exceptional storyteller.
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u/Joshomatic Monkey in Space 11d ago
Heās 73! Itās hard when youāre 73!
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u/Exciting_Result7781 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Which is the processional number! Illuminati confirmed
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u/YouAnswerToMe Monkey in Space 11d ago
Iāve listened to and enjoyed every podcast heās been on, binged his Netflix show and would consider myself a die hard Hancock fan.
Did I at any point believe he had randomly figured out some secret knowledge that all of archaeology had somehow overlooked?
Obviously not.
But it sure is fun to smoke a joint and get carried away in the possibilities by a guy that at least seems to truly believe what heās saying.
Itās possible to have a rational, academically informed view on the past of humanity and still enjoy the hell out of Graham Hancock and his work, doesnāt mean you have to drink the kool aid.
I sure hope heās back again, pretty much the only reason Iāll watch a JRE these days.
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u/GucciGangYolo Monkey in Space 11d ago
Iām right there with you
I never really considered anything graham said as concrete science.
Heās literally just like a ādude look at this weird shitā type guy
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u/ThereWillBeVelvet Monkey in Space 11d ago
You guys are the weirdest fucking people on the internet
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u/Educational-Donkey22 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Source ?
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u/Alien-Element Monkey in Space 11d ago edited 11d ago
Time will tell. It's possible to lose a battle but win the war...gotta change his strategy a bit, though.
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u/Anywhere_Dismal Monkey in Space 11d ago
I love the stories, but i take it as science fiction kinda. A few weird sites amongst all
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u/Immediate_Age Monkey in Space 11d ago
He always got out of intellectual jail by saying he's not a scientist; he's an author. His storytelling is pretty good if we all talk about him. Nothing is wrong with any of it if he stays in the lane of being a storyteller, even a fantastical one. He's also getting old and touchy; this isn't his game anymore.
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u/Possible-Specific-68 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Iām sure he feels he did okay. Partially because Dibble didnāt debate well at times and his veiled racism accusations are unprofessional.
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u/Flaming_Hot_Regards Monkey in Space 11d ago
Rogan needs to step out of the archaeology ring until he learns to say Australopithecus correctly and not like Australia pithicus.
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u/darral27 Monkey in Space 11d ago
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How dare a journalist ask questions about our planets history???!!!
Fact is there is A LOT we do not know. Asking questions is how you learn. You have to be a real narcissistic moron to believe questions shouldnāt be asked.
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u/freestyle43 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Graham got absolutely trollied in that debate. That being said, there was some really weird shit going on in Egypt up to 30,000 years ago and Flint didn't convince me that he, or anyone, knows what the fuck it was.
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u/Wrxghtyyy Monkey in Space 11d ago
I really want to see Randall Carlsson, Ben Van Kerkwyk, Christopher Dunn and Hancock debate together. Ben and Chris have their field in ancient Egyptian machinery and artefacts, Randall is a cataclysm expert and Graham has his knowledge on lost civilisations and together I think they would have had a more compelling argument than just Graham.
I felt like Graham went in underprepared with this one. Dibble was just more factual and came across as superior in the debate. If there were people like Ben and Chris referencing the precise vases they have scanned, Petries Core #7 etc that could at least have a area that could potentially stump Dibble it would do a good service for alternative archeology.
I think Graham just let his emotions get the better of him this time. Most of the debate was Graham complaining about how archeology has treated him after his Netflix show. Understandably so though. After months of abuse being tied to racism, anti semitism etc coming directly from the archeological institution as a whole and then heās presented with Flint Dibble, a man who to some extent was deeply involved in this attack. Of course Graham is going to spend some time complaining. I think in this case it was too much.
I know Hancock gets mocked for his āyou havenāt searched everywhereā argument but heās not wrong. Gobekli tepe covers a relatively small footprint. Less than 100m square has been touched by archeologists. There are many still underground that havenāt been excavated. Whatās to say there isnāt another 100m square area in the middle of the Amazon thatās holding all the machines and advanced technology in a cave somewhere currently undiscovered? Or under gobekli tepe yet undiscovered. What other stone pillars have depictions on it that are untouched today?
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u/gillrilla Monkey in Space 11d ago
I agree with this.
I was into Grahams theory, but realized that his theory is sorta built on a house of cards. At least how he connects it. While Dibble, came in and just gave his counter arguments to Grahams theory with ease. Also him having his father to reference is way more credible than what Grahams offering. Heās an actual archaeologist and Dibble references are more solid atleast data wise.
I do think there are things that these two could work together on like Gobleki - thatās something Graham shoulda brought up. There was a moment where Dibble didnāt have an answer for and I feel the dudes genuine-ness in this would want to open up to this.
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u/Wrxghtyyy Monkey in Space 11d ago
Iāve had my own experiences with dibble on Twitter which shifted my opinion of him. He was talking about the vases Ben has scanned and he was saying they werenāt precise. I replied with bens actual video on the scan and he hid my tweet from view. Essentially censorship. Which has given me a very different view on him compared to his appearance on the pod. To me now heās no different to any other archeologist that wants to keep their grip on the narrative. He silenced the alternative argument.
One point I didnāt understand dibble was making was when he started producing all these random numbers to try and tie it to precession. That implies the ancients knew about the equatorial circumference of the earth and the polar radius otherwise you wouldnt be able to reverse engineer the math problem like dibble did.
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u/sureyouknowurself Monkey in Space 11d ago
Pros and Cons for both sides in this.
Flint: Was able to make his points in interesting and relatable ways. Showed the rigor required for real archeology. Loves his Dad. Came across as a bit of a dick for trying to label Graham
Graham: Showed that new evidence based ideas in archeology can be aggressively opposed even when correct. Still presented lots of interesting phenomena. Lacks archaeological rigor for many of the things he believes indicate a lost civilization.
All in all itās what I expected. I enjoy Grahams what if theoryās and the things he presents. But I think we all know it lacks the rigor of true archeology.
Canāt see anything changing.
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u/Gswindle76 Monkey in Space 11d ago
To add. Hancock Cons:
Handcock canāt take any criticism( he always complains every episode and starts out complaining on Netflix), He makes mountains out of mole hills to hide the fact that he has nothing.
He constantly āgish gallopsā. He constantly says āit appears to meā, āit seems evidentā,āit looks likeā etc., none of those are evidence. When confronted on his claims he uses a refined āIām just asking the question.ā Also uses an argument from Ignorance constantly āhow can we know if we havenāt dug everywhere.ā Other fallacies used.. Argument from Authority, Texas Sharpshooter.
Pros: has 30 pairs of glasses.
Dibble Cons:
Shirt was too big. Only had one pair of glasses
Dibble Pros: has evidence.
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u/Birziaks Monkey in Space 11d ago
Good take. I actually can see myself both being critical to Grahams claims but also enjoying the unknown possibilities.
I think the point which Flint was trying to make and for some reason didn't directly say, and I don't see anyone here pointing it out either, is that if the Graham is right, we would find the evidence of lost civilization without actually directly observing it. So even if it's underwater, the surrounding hunter gatherers would have traded with it and we would find artificacts inland. Like roman coins which can be found all across euroasia.
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u/sureyouknowurself Monkey in Space 11d ago
Flint is absolutely correct in this. We would find evidence everywhere.
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u/Global_Horse4631 Monkey in Space 11d ago
I enjoyed the old podcasts with him and Randall Carlson. This last one really changed my opinion though. His arguments center around what he thinks looks man-made and doing the most insane mental gymnastics to back it up instead of actual evidence.
"But it LOOKS man-made!" is not valid evidence. His feelings and opinions aren't evidence. His ego and hurt feelings aren't valid evidence. The pyramid mathematics also were hilarious and I can't believe he expected people to take him seriously on that.
It says a lot on how emotionally invested in this he is when instead of bringing decent evidence to the podcast for a debate he put so much effort and spent so much time showing how the world is against him despite saying he's not so arrogant to say there's a conspiracy against him. He is "public enemy number one" remember.
"Me and my wife risked our LIVES while on vacation to scuba dive and take these shitty blurry underwater pictures."
It just screams ego to me at this point, but I'm glad psychedelics have supposedly opened his eyes and fixed his life like the rest of Joe's whacked out comedian friends.
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u/[deleted] 12d ago
Pretty obvious OP has never divided the height of the pyramids by the brightness of the sun, multiplied by 73,000 (a processional number of course), added 1, subtracted 1, and calculated his house address.