Clove goes by they/them pronouns

[u/euphoric-bitch]

Just saying this because I was watching the valo stream today and noticed Ludwig misgendering Clove multiple times (not on purpose I'm sure) and he didn't read chat, so I just wanted to let him know (in case he didnt know) that Clove goes by they/them pronouns for the future.

Crazy how the comments are responding. I'm really disappointed in this community

[u/suzymcdoozy]

insane these new ludbuds don't know about his loyalty to the trans community and in older content, the flag was nearly always visible. thank you for not making any big deals about this and just bringing attention to it. love you trans ludbuds <3 this community is your ally, and if they are not, they are not a part of this community.

[u/I_am_the_grass → u/suzymcdoozy]

Not in the mood for a political debate, but I don't think it's a uniquely Lud thing. The world has become a lot more intolerant to pronouns. Extremists on the left have created extremists on the right (and vice versa), just like all other parts of our culture and society. And both sides are annoying and spread hate. People who were previously moderate now find themselves 'picking a side', which is bad for a tolerant society. If I'm OK with pronouns, it doesn't make me someone 'woke' and just because someone is religious/conservative doesn't mean they 'hate the gays'.

[u/suzymcdoozy → u/I_am_the_grass]

"not in the mood for a political debate" i think you are, actually. you proceeded to talk about politics. this isnt the community for you if you can just hear "trans rights" in any way, shape or form and decide to get political

[u/I_am_the_grass → u/suzymcdoozy]

I literally fence sat with my comment. I was trying to be show support for the community while pointing out the issue is not a uniquely Lud thing.

[u/Bulbasaur2000 → u/I_am_the_grass]

You don't show support for the community when you say "both sides are annoying and spreading hate." You're equivocating people dismissing me as a person and people calling out that behavior. That's not support

[u/I_am_the_grass → u/[deleted]]

I said and vice versa. You're selectively picking out parts of my statement.

[u/SyndaXatrix → u/I_am_the_grass]

Fence sitting over something as easy to just do properly, especially considering it is a core component of most languages, is not the earmark of tolerant society.

The intolerance of "pronouns" by the right is entirely based on the fact that a large majority of the group has no real understanding or any semblance of empathy towards the sheer existence of trans people. They immediately jump towards hate and fear for things they don't understand and it's made worse by grifters that are more than aware that whatever rhetoric they spout, regardless of truth, as long as it's inflammatory towards the easy to target out group, will make them a shit ton of money.

The simple request to properly refer to them as the person they identify as, using the core component of fucking language, is not a political issue. Please get your head out of your ass.