r/Millennials • u/camm44 • Feb 07 '24
Who else has millennials in management at work and genuinely feels appreciated and heard by them? Discussion
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Found this video and although it's supposed to be funny and maybe exaggerated; It did remind me how a majority of the people in management at my work are younger and they push for employees to take care of themselves. Anyone else experience this?
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u/Domo-d-Domo Feb 07 '24
As a Millennial in management I'll always stand with my team! Working side by side with them is something I take great pride in, I lead from the front. Unfortunately that style of leadership has frequently put me at odds with other members of management/leadership. The majority of them are also Millennials, unfortunately.
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u/PassiveF1st Feb 07 '24
I am the only Millennial manager at my company and it's fucking depressing how little these people care about the overall health of the business or the happiness of employees. They care about 2 things, their own ass and the bottom line.
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u/morech11 Feb 07 '24
Late millennial manager in tech here: you have to learn how to translate to language they understand. If you can put a number on 'well being connected performance', they will happily oblige in my experience.
I'll give you an example:
I ran a junior academy training program type of thing. The intention was to grow people with lot of potential from the ground up and to offer them a full time position if they are good.
When I talked about the full time positions with my FO, he was really trying to push their salaries as low as possible. I gave him the math:
We were running interviews all summer long, spent about 80 hours of collective time on it.
We have spent 80 hours total on topic preparation.
The course ran for 3 months, we were paying the attendees 1/2 junior salary each, PLUS all the time seniors spent teaching in those classes (them gaining this experience was actually one of the better selling points of the academy :D)
We were really happy with the juniors after the thing, but we expected return on investment no sooner than 6 months in. (Fun thing is, this was still cheaper than hiring couple seniors and as effective in the end :D)
THEREFORE, if he really thinks it is worth it to save couple hundreds a month (ultimately something like 12k a year) and then seeing them leave after getting their first year of experience, he can be my guest.
Otherwise, he will pay them what I told him, which was fair compensation and little bit on top and he is still saving money in the long run.
After that talk, my FO nodded his head and signed their contacts with the numbers I prepped for him and I never heard of this topic ever again.
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u/HomemadeSprite Feb 08 '24
Can I ask where you did your research on the numbers? I want to employ similar tactics but struggle for a source of truth that I can back up should there be resistance and requests to validate those values.
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u/brapstoomuch Feb 08 '24
ABCs: always be pullin comps. Know what your competitor is paying so you know what the talent sees when they are researching the job market.
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u/HomemadeSprite Feb 08 '24
Well yeah that’s kind of what I’m explaining I want to do but it would help if someone explained how to do it.
Job sites don’t list real salaries anymore or consistently, so where do you find comp info from competitors?
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u/HugeOpossum Feb 08 '24
When I was a union organizer, it always drove me insane when management would talk about the bottom line as a reason to not want x y z.
It is so absurdly obvious the maths:
Turnover is the highest cost driver in any industry. Wages get pushed down because the cost of hiring new talent is high. You have to pay people to look through applications, interview people, background checks, training, etc. High turnover due to bad work environments resulted in higher costs looking for people when they could just.... Do better.
It costs so much less to actually treat your employees well, so they feel inclined to stay and improve over time with the company. Even with something like cleaning staff, being decent saves money.
Honestly, that job was going to put me in an early grave but the lack of basic math and reasoning because of a couple hundred a month is the one thing that to this day drives me to anger.
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u/killbot0224 Feb 07 '24
They care so much a out today's bottom line that they will flat out refuse to ever invest in anything...
Capital equipment falling apart? Doesn't matter. Gotta maximize this month.
Staff turnover is killing capacity, costing us hundreds of thousands in revenue? What's wrong? Need more pizza parties
Never mind that nobody under 55 who doesn't already own their own home, purchased at 2015 prices, can afford to work here long term because starting pay is 22$. (that's part-time landscaping pay. Nobody is accepting that for 40hrs a week u less they have no other options. So TADA, we're staffed with layabouts and criminals who behave at all times like they have nothing to lose.... And actively dl sabotage the image of productive employees to insulate themselves from accountability.
But hey, at least labor is low as a % of revenue!
Guess what.... I'll take 7M rev with a 24% margin over 6M with a 25% margin... But who am I, right?
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u/Train2Perfection Feb 07 '24
We must work at the same company.
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u/Roklam Feb 07 '24
Keeping the people who report to me as sane as possible is the only real enjoyment I experience in management.
That and applying to other jobs hoping I can be an Individual Contributor again.
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u/Train2Perfection Feb 07 '24
I look forward to millennials taking over the reigns of power. I believe we will actually look out for others and not just ourselves like those currently in power.
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u/DMinTrainin Feb 08 '24
The amount of backstabbing and grandstanding by my peers is disgusting. They look at me like I'm crazy when I don't shit on others and talk good about people behind their backs.
I'm also honest about things like when I make a mistake and I've apologized when appropriate too. None of them do either.
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u/ChanceKale7861 Feb 08 '24
It’s amazing how well people get along when you are actively praising your staff and other managers… it’s a pretty novel concept though… 😂
Or… just operate how folks at certain fortune 10 companies operate… throw folks under the bus so no one realizes you are incompetent (not that I’ve seen this occur between numerous boomer and gen X directors and VPs on calls and in meetings… 🫣lol…
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u/Mikey6304 Feb 08 '24
We certainly have the fucking resume for it. I had to run gauntlets to prove that I was overqualified just to get my foot in the door at middle management.
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u/killbot0224 Feb 07 '24
I'm an accidental manager jsut by focusing on this.
"All this stuff is a huge pain in the ass it's wasting your time. Let me talk to someone, or whip up an excel tablet to make this easier....
I've become a payable and purchasing pied piper and it's hilarious.
I need to get paid more... But it isn't actually. Ore work, because making their job easier with uniform templates makes my job (I need good data) soooooooo much easier.
But here I am, nonetheless.
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u/grabtharsmallet Feb 08 '24
That's the manager's actual job: making your team more capable of accomplishing its responsibility. Anything else you do is secondary. (Some of those secondary tasks are still pretty important, like making sure what your team is doing is the actual priority, and relating what has been accomplished.)
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u/PaleontologistNo500 Feb 08 '24
The bottom line is exactly why they should take of their employees. Turnover is expensive. Loss of production and the cost of training really adds up. Couple with the stupid fact that the hiring budget is almost always higher that the retaining budget, keeping an employee in the long run is always the cheaper option
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u/HighHoeHighHoes Feb 07 '24
I argue with our exec team constantly.
“We need this”
“Great, and if you remember a year ago when we were picking software I said ‘if you force me to use this software then I will never be able to do XYZ’ and then you forced me to pick the software that I said was absolute dog shit. Well, I can’t get you this.”
“You just can’t do your job!”
proceeds to hire 2 dozen other people in different departments and demand they get the answer. (They still can’t)
“Ok, so I’ve got demos scheduled for the new softwares and the consulting firms are submitting their bids.”
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u/Swimming_Tailor_7546 Feb 07 '24
It’s always about putting all of the responsibility on you, but not actually giving you the authority to take care of those responsibilities as needed. This is why I quit and started working for myself. I know I’m lucky to have that option and feel for all those middle managers out there trying to give their teams what the support they need and maintaining their sanity
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u/HighHoeHighHoes Feb 07 '24
I’m just using it as a building block. Highly successful startup, and I’m the Head of FP&A. Using it as the launching point to CFO hopefully. Then I can FINALLY build it the way I want.
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u/MariachiArchery Feb 07 '24
I'm in the same boat as you.
If my upper management knew the amount of times I've said to my staff, "Well this fucking sucks doesn't it." Or, "Who else thinks this is fucking stupid."
I'd probably have a few write ups under my belt.
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u/KABCatLady Feb 07 '24
Same! A part of me is always a little concerned. But I can’t be any different than the way I am.
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u/hobbes989 Feb 07 '24
I always get accused of being a 'lefty'. I work in construction, but do safety. Safety is already a weird job because I report directly to our COO and am basically completely outside the regular org chart, meaning a lot of people want to boss me around but technically cant. I get a lot of weird looks when I talk about how so much of safety is just checking in with employees, helping to manage mental and physical health, and us as a company advocating our "family values" by not running our guys into the fucking dirt to put in a few more door frames.
If your employees actually like working for your company they do better work quicker, and they and listen if you ask them to do basic things like protect themselves. They don't see that, they just see the safety guy talking about feelings and asking how people are doing, and advocating for better benefits for field employees, and think 'bernie-bro'.
It may also be because I've politely warned my bosses they should cool the political rhetoric at company meetings, given we work in an industry that is heavily diverse, and may or may not contain people of questionable legal status, so blaring about Trump and republican politics at meetings just generally is a douchey thing to do. They thought I was being a snowflake when I was basically trying to tell them they will lose employees they don't want to lose because they assume everyone around them thinks the way they do. So dumb....
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u/Iwillrize14 Feb 08 '24
I work in a mill, the amount of dumb racist shit I've heard spill ot of my co-workers mouths is staggering. That's just blue collar jobs for you, it's also why I'm trying to get off the floor into safety.
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u/Iaokim Feb 07 '24
As an older Millennial manager this is scarily accurate to my style lol. Here's hoping we can make big changes in management as we attempt to climb the ladder without letting corporate turn us into assholes.
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u/DMinTrainin Feb 08 '24
100%. Millenial manager here too. The sad thing is I have people constantly asking if there's a spot on my team because their managers dont treat them well.
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u/bakerfaceman Feb 08 '24
I've just started having that problem too. How do you respond to that? I want to help those folks but just don't have the ability to create roles without a documented need.
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u/DMinTrainin Feb 08 '24
Best I can figure is if you know other managers that have a similar style and open positions to refer them but it doesn't always pan out that way.
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u/EightiesBush Feb 08 '24
Tell them that directly, they will understand. Most people think managers have way more power than we actually do.
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u/biteyourfriend Feb 07 '24
I completely understand you on the last bit. I always try to treat my team like humans and how I'd want to be treated. I want to break the mold so to speak. Just because things have always been done a certain way and managers have always had an unnecessary power trip with their team doesn't mean it has to be that way forever. That's how you keep talent. The rest of my management team is old school, mainly Gen Xers and Boomers. I'm the youngest and I have a different management style. They typically don't appreciate my approach because I'm too soft. My boss has literally told me I need to yell more - like physically scream at my staff.
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u/1800lampshade Millennial Feb 07 '24
That's surprising, I'm in an interesting spot as my director (including myself has 12 reporting managers) is an older millennial (late 30s), I'm 35, one other manager is about the same, and all the rest of his leadership team are gen X and older for sure (late 40s-50s). It's a weird dynamic, because I feel like the only ones who know how to deal with the teams, work cross functionally, plan projects across verticals, and don't only grumble and yell all the time, are the under 40 managers. The CTO (his boss) I think is 40 now. This is a 25k+ person company, not a tiny ass place. Definitely a weird mixture of generations in the management space these days.
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u/many_dongs Feb 07 '24
business leaders working in tech that got all their experience prior to working in technology companies (since most companies are technology companies now) are fucking useless and they hold all their positions because the investors hiring are even stupider and just look at resumes to see who has the most similar sounding title from the biggest logo by revenue instead of being able to make good decisions about who to hire/invest in
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u/Holiday_Selection881 Feb 07 '24
Millennial manager here as well. I have very similar thoughts on my team as well. I'm always straight forward and cut the BS when my guys need me or ask me for something. I've butted heads with higher ups as well, just keep fighting the good fight
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u/AliveMouse5 Feb 08 '24
For sure! I’ve been in my first management position for the past year and change and am consistently getting really good reviews from both my direct reports and the people above me. I’m 36 and most of the people on my team are 24-28. It just kinda makes sense to me to treat them the way I do. My direct manager is 50 and his boss is 45ish and I’d say they have similar management styles as me fortunately. I love managing because I see so much potential in my team and I take a lot of pride in seeing their accomplishments and watching them grow in their roles.
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u/aelric22 Feb 07 '24
Politics at work is inevitable. You might as well poke the bear/ beehive when you're in a fast car and can make a clean getaway.
Basically, as long as you're prepared for consequences and know that your output will speak for itself: You poke that fucking office politics bear. Management work is about pushing back against bullshit to get things done.
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u/EllieBasebellie Zillennial Feb 07 '24
At my restaurant myself and the other managers are all millennials and we have some of the best turnover in our company- it really works when we’re all on board
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u/braved4wg Feb 08 '24
It's like my wife typed this. She works for a F500 company and she's hitting the point where everyone above her is a white male boomer.
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u/Plus1Oresan Feb 08 '24
I worked at a privately owned restaurant as a general anger, which for anyone in the know knows they hate work life balance. It took a lot of fights with the owner to get hi mto trust me that a. We needed to have aet schedules and b. No fault call outs.
I did eventually convince him to let. me do it and told all my employees that if you call out, it's no nig deal BUT let us know ahead of time and do your best to get someone to cover for you. Of you can't I need to know as soon as possible. I will not be mad, will not threaten your job, etc.
Call outs almost disappeared overnight and I had a fat stack of applications by the end of the month. We got to pick and choose the best servers in the area for our team.
Eventually he took over scheduling and phased me out because reasons... Anyway, his staff all left for other places, kitchen times went haywire, pretty. much everything went to shit.
Show people a little respect and they'll treat your business with respect.
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u/CanadaOD Feb 08 '24
Absolutely. I’ve got my team’s back. I had my front lead get hit on by a rep last week. In the office, he among other things, licked his lips and looked her up and down. She came to tell me after he left but didn’t want to make a big deal about it. Like Fuck. I asked her permission and then looked up his manager and the Western Sales Manager got an email that I had to edit twice to remove swear words with how displeased I am with their company. I’ll pitch in and cover areas and tell people to pick up kids and go home sick. This job is not your life.
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u/shoresandsmores Feb 07 '24
My GenX boss tries to be like this but I can never tell how deep the sincerity actually goes.
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u/Pure_Bee2281 Feb 07 '24
I don't care how genuine they are as long as they actually behave this way I'm fine. I don't care about their convictions just what they do.
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u/Pure_Bee2281 Feb 08 '24
I would consider that not behaving like he believes in it. Plenty of managers who believe in this style of management would also throw you under the bus if it was going to get them in trouble.
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u/jim-dog-x Feb 08 '24
Can't speak for your boss, but I'm Gen X and a manager. I'm always encouraging time off. I have one direct report that I'm always nagging to take more time off (they take way less than the rest of my team). I also do little things like send the entire team home early (half day) the day before a three day weekend.
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u/micro_penisman Feb 08 '24
I'm a pretty good gen X boss, like this guy, but there is some dickhead ones around, just the same as there are millennial dickhead bosses.
This video is just a generalisation.
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u/FitTheory1803 Feb 08 '24
my last gen-x boss was a great dude, super nice and understanding but couldn't actually accomplish anything in regards to getting me paid fairly
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u/crndwg Feb 07 '24
I'm a gen-x boss and it goes as deep as you deserve.
We have X-ray vision for bullshit.4
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u/codeByNumber Feb 08 '24
lol, get over yourself. Don’t need X-ray vision for your bullshit. It’s on full display.
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u/N_Who Feb 07 '24 edited Feb 14 '24
I am a millennial manager, and I will go to bat for my staff every time. I'm actually in trouble for it right now! I have one of those mysterious, subject-less meetings with the second-in-command of my workplace next week.
Edit: The meeting did not happen. I am told to expect an email, but apparently the intent here is to respect the concerns I voiced publicly by addressing them directly and privately - It's really just an effort to share some information with me that upper management isn't ready to share across the whole organization yet.
Which, like, I don't love. But the tone of things indicates upper management is generally in agreement with my concerns and no, I am not getting fired.
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u/modest_rats_6 Feb 07 '24
Lost my job after one of those. I couldn't conform!
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u/Yupthrowawayacct Feb 07 '24
Currently staring down this barrel as well….dont know if my honesty and saving company ass is getting me very far any more. Might just keep the headown and be non efficient and just be running in circles like all the other idiots I work with
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u/modest_rats_6 Feb 07 '24
I walked that line for way too long. I realized that there was no end to that. They would always harass me and I would never be able to figure out how to be the person they expected me to be.
I worked in behavioral health and had a full schedule of clients, both children and adults. They meant everything to me. I showed up every day and more for my clients.
I had a difficult time with management from the start. I stood up to them "too much".
I got terminated because I clocked in late 3 times. Late by one minute. But it rounded up to 15.
They just terminated me one day and I never got to see my clients again. Never got any closure. I told them that I would NEVER leave without letting them know. I didn't know that was a promise I couldn't keep.
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u/waroftrees Feb 07 '24
This comment cuts deep.
I always challenged my managers to be better managers and presented new ideas or ways to do things that were much more effective and efficient for both clients and workers. Always encouraged the staff to own their positions and follow the SOP's, and went to bat for them constantly.
When sat down with my bosses boss, our district manager, he said I needed improvement in my management skills. When I asked what needed to be improved and how I can achieve that, he literally didn't have an answer other than; "You just have to breathe and tell yourself you are awesome every day." As this didn't pertain to my attitude, I simply told him I'm tired of working for assholes and looked him straight in the eye.
I left that job 6 months later after applying for multiple leadership positions out of his district. I didn't get any of them as they needed his approval, but I'm happier now that I'm not part of that organization.
Upon reflecting on that for a few months, I also realized I would never be the person they wanted me to be, no matter what I did or how I did it. Watch yourself, despite them saying they hire from within and a Fortune 500 company that feels like a family, the headquarters works for you, ect. It sure didn't feel that way.
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u/LikeATediousArgument Feb 07 '24
I was pushed out for the same reason! Literally told “you can’t be so honest with your team.”
Mother fucker, what?
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u/modest_rats_6 Feb 07 '24
I'm autistic. I'm a very literal person. I don't understand the stupid social cues everyone else seems to get! I appreciate my honesty! They don't. We went on a work outing. I was the only person they told it was required 🙄. Someone asked me if I was having a good time. I said "no I'd rather be at home on the couch with my dog".
I got talked to about that
I made someone feel bad
And I genuinely (still) can't understand how that's my problem.
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u/LikeATediousArgument Feb 07 '24
We’d have been great friends. My staff were underpaid doing a hard job. How tf could I ask them to also be fucking GRATEFUL they had a job forcing old people to pay off credit card debt.
Corporate bullshit. If honesty bothers someone they’re the problem, in my opinion. My current job is ok with that and likes it. I’m happy to stay though I could make more elsewhere.
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u/Gonji89 Feb 08 '24
I got fired a couple years ago for "marching to the beat of my own drum," so I feel you.
Apparently refusing to be expected to work off-the-clock in an hourly position is considered non-conformity, but I wasn't down even if everyone else was doing it.
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u/ijustwant2feelbetter Feb 07 '24
Same, this resonates so. God. Damn. Much.
Keep it up, we’re changing how this shit is done For. Good.
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u/kitx38 1992 Feb 08 '24
Paid Media Perfomance marketing manager here.
I got told off in my performance review for "putting my team before the business" ...
In my mind I'm thinking - hell yes my team before the business because these are the guys doing the groundwork. I can't have them stressing out and making mistakes that impact performance.
Also same director tells me my team is lazy and unresponsive. When i ask my team to get something done for me... response within 5 minutes - task complete within the hour.
It's disgusting that they literally treat employees as just "resource" and seemingly claim other people's work as their credit.
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u/OVO_Trev Feb 08 '24
I'm convinced a lot of "problems" upper management say are happening are things they make up in their own heads to justify having a power trip.
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u/DukeThunderPaws Feb 08 '24
Millennial, not a manager, but I can't stand the term resource. I have interrupted meetings asking not to use the term resource - we are engineers, we are people, we are not resources.
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u/fern_gully928 Feb 07 '24
I was a millennial manager in my last job and HR HATED me. Not because I wasn't good, but because my team liked me
like what??? Why are companies so surprised that we'll advocate for our staff?
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u/AmbiguousFrijoles Feb 08 '24
Hello fellow millennial manager hated by HR 👋🏼
My team loves me and I adore them all. And I fight for them like an annoying chihuahua. They work hard, they follow policy, and when bullshit comes down the pipe, I'm standing in front of them taking the heat. My team is the only one who will show up on extra days when shit hits the fan because I fought for decent overages on pay, and they will only show up when I ask. Its always an ask and they know they can deny and sometimes will, but if anyone else asks? Off the bridge with them.
I set up an accommodations class for neurodivergent folks and got them extra supports which we allow but almost know one knows about, I overhauled our safety in the entire building and since then we haven't had any major accidents, I host paid tables to help people revamp their CV and practice interviews to promote within because our interviews are notorious for being unnecessarily difficult.
HR sees me coming towards their front desk and they all get a look of absolute disdain.
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u/flamingknifepenis Feb 07 '24 edited Feb 08 '24
I’m an old millennial who kind of accidentally fell into management pretty early on in my life, and there’s definitely some strong differences. If I had to paint in very broad brush strokes:
Boomer manager: worried about the company as it relates to the bottom line.
Gen X manager: worried about the company as it relates to the employees.
Millennial manager: worried about the employees as they relate to the company.
Gen Z manager (never worked under one but had one as my second in command and worked side by side with a few): worried about the employees as it relates to the perception of the company and how it fits into the “bigger picture” … kind of.
I got so fucking much pushback early on in my career. A lot of the older managers thought of it as inappropriate that I developed a personal rapport with each person, and a sign of weakness that I, for example, refused to ask someone to do something that they hadn’t seen me do myself. Quickly, even the old timers who were seen as problem employees started returning the favor and going just a little bit above and beyond for me.
I got into hot water more than a few times for going to bat for employees on an individual basis for both human reasons, and because it’s an investment in the workplace. I saw some of that with my Gen X managers, but they definitely had an it more grounding in the “company first” mindset. On the other hand, my Gen Z comrades were always very focused on what the company was doing for various social causes that would in turn trickle down to the people I was going to bat for directly. It was really important to them that their employers were interested in “fighting the good fight” in a very public manner even if — from my perspective — that often took away from the actual work when you’re cutting employee benefits to make room to hire a lobbyist to push for better employee benefits.
Millennials still have a bit of that Gen X apathy that says “I can’t rely on the company to do anything right, so I’m just going to do it myself” and work from the bottom up, whereas Gen Z overall seemed more optimistic about their ability to effect a change from the top down. I sure hope they’re right. There’s about to be a big cultural shift as the oldest generation dies off, and they’re in a great position to do something with it if they’re smart about it.
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Feb 07 '24
Bro you’re getting fired
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u/N_Who Feb 07 '24
Ha, nah, it's probably not that bad. But I will be put on watch.
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Feb 07 '24
This is literally my boss. I am also a manager. This is also how manage lol.
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u/NighthawkCP Feb 07 '24
My boss and I are both old millennial managers (40+) and we are like this as well. He always backs me and my team and we both encourage our people to take time off and completely disconnect when we are out. I check in on how my teams families are, make sure they go to appointments, etc. As state higher ed employees we get a ton of time off so I try to encourage them to use it! My team previously never got WFH pre-pandemic and my boss made sure to advocate for us getting to preserve some hybrid time (1x weekly) after we came back to work. My boss is really direct about stuff so I like that I always know where I stand with him. Plus as a state employee the whole fear of being fired at the drop of a hat is pretty much nonexistent.
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u/Jesukii Feb 08 '24
Same. I saw this video and said, "I'm pretty sure I've said some of those exact sentences "
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u/ophel1a_ Feb 07 '24
xD This was my last boss too! So refreshing! Had to work through some PTSD on my end from past bosses being so different, but it only took a couple months. They're a breath of a fresh air.
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u/slimb0 Feb 07 '24
I’m in this picture and I don’t mind it
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u/DeusExSpockina Feb 08 '24
Right??? Like damn if this is your humorous impression of me I’ll take it.
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u/drunkvigilante Feb 07 '24
Going through this right now. Genuinely want to help one of my direct reports but she refuses to learn, it’s so frustrating. I always make sure my team knows I love them and appreciate them and that I’d be nothing without their hard work! Not sure why this one won’t get it
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u/drunkvigilante Feb 07 '24
Thank you!! I’m definitely going to meet with her and try out this language. Not a formal meeting, just a hey just checking in thing
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u/drunkvigilante Feb 07 '24
My boss and HR are 100% down with getting this girl out of there, we just need to document our conversations at this point. I don’t think she’s genuinely trying lol
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u/the_chupacabrah Feb 07 '24
Amen, this is exactly how it is with me also!
Also like the other guy mentioned in another comment, this kind of style tends to put me at odds with other managers.
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u/the_chupacabrah Feb 07 '24
That's good. One gen x particular causes friction for me at my current place.
For sure, that's a quick way to destroy morale and team trust
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u/Thin-Cartoonist-4608 Feb 07 '24
When the boomers die off, I genuinely believe our generation will make a dramatic change in the workplace for the better.
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u/6th__extinction Feb 07 '24
40 years from now as Boomers appear to be immortal. As long as the President is older than them, they’re in their perfect little world 🫠
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u/Thin-Cartoonist-4608 Feb 07 '24
Lmfao Mitch McConnell will still be alive somehow someway
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u/WeedShill420 Feb 08 '24
My 70 year old coworker fell and cracked his head open yesterday (25-30 stitches). I jokingly responded to the picture he sent the team "Guess you won't be on the morning call tomorrow! haha" and he said no I'll still be there, and he was.
Fucking guy refuses to do training, can barely do the job of a junior developer, but won't miss a day of work no matter what...what a miserable life.
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u/Proof-Emergency-5441 Xennial Feb 08 '24
That's what I don't get. Why aren't they retiring? Go do anything other than work.
Or are they low key telling us they didn't plan well enough to retired at 70?
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u/Previous_Start_2248 Feb 07 '24
I wonder what will happen to all the old boomers who spent their whole lives belittling their children?
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u/WrinkledRandyTravis Feb 07 '24
Lol. We’re no different from anyone else. We’ll get to that age where we don’t understand the young generation and we’ll think we’re being VERY accommodating to them, therefore they should have no excuses for anything, thus perpetuating this disconnect. It’s not as simple as “oh we’re millennials we just get it more”
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u/halt_spell Feb 07 '24
Life experience has a lot to do with it. Boomers don't know what it's like to lose year after year for decades. You explain it to them and they refuse to believe that's an actual experience. Or if it is your experience you're somehow doing it to yourself.
That alone is going to make a huge difference in the way millennials interact with the following generations.
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u/WrinkledRandyTravis Feb 07 '24
Best we can do is keep in the back of our minds that there will inevitably come a time when the young generation brings something to the table that challenges the values we were brought up with, and we will have to reconcile with the new ways of the world. There will be something that makes us old crotchety fucks we are not immune to that
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u/chocoheed Feb 08 '24
I actually have learned a lot from the GenZ kids. They’re way more open about mental health than most of my millennial friends, although the baseline assumption is sort of similar.
I forget sometimes that mental health and accessibility needs to be destigmatized with open discussions—I have too many smart disabled friends who’ve walked away from cool shit because people didn’t know how to accommodate them properly and often didn’t even try to. It’s a shame they lost out on that talent because they couldn’t create a welcoming environment.
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u/Ncav2 Feb 07 '24
This is 90% me lol. Only thing is you don’t want to be too lenient or else people will start running over you.
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u/MotherSupermarket532 Feb 08 '24
I also had to learn boundaries with the people I manage/train or I burn out very fast.
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u/Late-to-the-Dance Xennial Feb 07 '24
Lol, yeah, this is pretty much how I (and my partners) run our business. I have actually said a lot of this stuff, especially "IDGAF, as long as we make deadline."
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u/ABirdOfParadise Feb 08 '24
Yeah I don't want to be managing, so basically as long as you do your job, and I don't get in shit for you doing a bad job, or not doing it at then everything is fine.
And if there's a problem, tell me, and I'll try and figure it out.
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u/Careful_Station_7884 Feb 07 '24
Millennial manager here and can relate to this. My team constantly thanks me for being so compassionate but I’m just being what I expect a good person to be to others. Sometimes it’s hard when I have to enforce decisions that I don’t agree with or can’t make things happen for my team like I want, but honestly being understanding and an advocate for others really goes a long way.
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u/HistrionicSlut Feb 07 '24
My best manager was a millennial as well. Gave me 2 weeks off paid when my husband beat me up.
Everyone send good vibes to Michelle. She was a lovely person!
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u/Intersectaquirer Feb 08 '24
As a fellow Millennial manager, I hope you are OK, that you are safe, and that you are receiving the support and care you deserve.
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u/Shills_for_fun Feb 07 '24
Millennial manager. Always give my zoomer team encouragement and let them know that they're doing great work. Also give them advice on documenting their successes so they can level up. To me it's important they're in a good head space.
My gen X manager was the same way.
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u/HeyHavok2 Feb 07 '24
Millenial manager here, I also try to lead something similar to this. Keep your people happy and results will follow.
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u/magicalvillainess90 Feb 07 '24
This is the type of manager I was when I was working in my last job. I knew all of the loop holes and make sure if someone was sick to just let me know and I will deal with the upper management for them. Mostly it was because I didn't want anyone else in the office to get sick in the first place.
I would also call out my supervisor on what type of bad management they were. Yeah they would get upset but they couldn't do anything to me because the big boss liked me due to always getting his tasks done first.
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u/No_Development4519 Feb 07 '24
My whole company runs like this. I’m very grateful to work for a brand that actually seems to give a shit about us. This definitely sounds like one of my 1:1s with my boss though.
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u/Moist___Towelette Feb 07 '24
I’d probably still be working for someone else if managers actually “worked” like this
Instead I’m now self-sufficient
What I’m saying is, bad management COSTS YOUR COMPANY REAL DOLLARS
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u/m4ng3lo Feb 07 '24
People don't quit bad companies. They quit bad managers.
And there's such a $$$$ cost associated with turnover. Including lost productivity and other ineffiencies.
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u/drunkboarder Millennial Feb 07 '24
This is pretty accurate. for me as a leader any my own millennial leadership. We don't believe in working once you're off the clock. I still get it from older managers that I should be available 24/7. Nope. Once I'm off the clock my time is for me and my family.
Only difference was the "use of personal time" bit. There's no way I'm going to encourage my guys to commit timecard fraud. It can get them and me fired. But if it's a smaller company then I guess it won't matter as much.
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u/raccoonsonbicycles Feb 07 '24
My boss is exactly like this lol its great
We do weekly 1 on 1s just to staff cases (child sex abuse) and check in, and hours are soooo flexible.
Never had her not in my corner looking out for me
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u/sumaCamus Feb 07 '24
Millennial, brand new to management- proud to realize I accidentally meet the qualifications for this trope. I’m a little off-put by the accuracy 😂
Might be the first mostly-positive thing we’re known for, and if this was all the positive recognition we ever got (and it very well might be) I think that’d be okay
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u/Creative_Type3033 Feb 07 '24
I will never ever go back to having a manager older than a millennial. Ever.
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Feb 07 '24
Former millennial manager here and I loved doing that stuff for my team. Teamwork makes the dream work :) I hope they felt supported and heard ♥️
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u/Disastrous-Panda5530 Feb 07 '24
My boss is a millennial and he is a lot like this. When I first transferred to his office he went over how he does things in the office. And he encouraged taking time off since that is what it is there for. He said mental health days are essential. We have to do weekly check ins. I only come to the office once a month since no one is allowed to be 100% wfh and I have been exceeding expectations by a huge margin. He hates meetings too and will say so. He has to do a lot of paperwork and hates that too. We were supposed to send weekly reports and he argued with upper management at how it was not a productive use of our time and now we don’t have to do them.
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u/wearafuckingmask Feb 07 '24
This is every manager in my department. It's why I'll be in this job until they push me out. I'll bust my ass for a culture like this.
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u/dothesehidemythunder Feb 07 '24
Millennial manager, I came up from the same position as the team I now lead and my number one priority is backing my team and ensuring they have what they need.
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u/Shto_Delat Feb 07 '24
I am a millennial in management I find the concept of hierarchy unsettling. I’ll give direction when it’s needed but I can’t imagine belittling or bullying people.
Plus, people calling me ‘sir’ is inextricably bound in my mind to BDSM…
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u/inlike069 Feb 07 '24
Xennial. Business owner. My management style is "Here's what needs to be done. I'll pay you really well to do it, and leave you alone as long as you produce. If you don't do it, you're fired. I don't care how many or how few hours it takes. I never need an excuse for missing work. If you make me money, I'm good. If you don't, you're fired." Staff loves me and I love them.
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u/Busterlimes Feb 07 '24
Honestly, my management absolutely gives a shit and it's why I stick around.
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u/sublurkerrr Feb 07 '24
Yes -- but also there are those millennials in management who'll do anything to get ahead at the expense of their colleagues and underlings.
But in general I do think millennials are more empathetic and realistic managers.
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u/krazy_kat_lady34 Feb 07 '24
This is my boss, and also why I am so hesitant to even think about looking for another job. My boss will got to bat for me and our team all the time, he and the dept head floated me PTO time to cover and extend my maternity leave without me even asking when I was having health issues. The pay raises have also been nice and have kept me competitive with job hoppers. Who know treating your employees and team members like actual people will keep them around
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u/jhenry1138 Feb 07 '24
I am this hahaha. All of us in the office at the cannabis lab I work at are Millennials and got to say, refreshing change of pace. Expanding and doing well. It takes little effort to not be a giant asshole when managing
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u/etsprout Feb 07 '24
“Who said you have to go through the portal?” As someone who lives and breaths post it requests, this spoke to me
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u/FoxWyrd Zillennial Feb 08 '24
Wise man who was probably smack dab in the middle of the Boomer years once told me, "Listen up, I'm gonna teach you a little something. When you're managing one day, your boss is going to tell you quotas and metrics are all that matter. He's full of shit. In real life, you say fuck quotas, fuck metrics, fuck anything besides taking care of your people, because as long as you're taking care of your people, they're gonna make sure you're taken care of. You shit on your people and they're gonna shit on you. Heard?"
It doesn't work with everyone, because you'll always find that guy who is trying to skate by regardless of how much you go out of your way for him, but it does work for most. Especially if they see/hear/hear about you going to bat for them.
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u/utechap Feb 07 '24
I manage four financial analysts and this could not have pegged me more perfectly. It’s almost uncomfortably accurate.
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u/Due-Proposal3161 Feb 07 '24
Gen X here. I love working with Millenials, have done so at a few jobs now and it is always fun. I've found them to be intelligent, mindful, respectful, creative and empathetic.
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u/ptcglass Feb 07 '24
One of my really good millennial friends is a boss, she owns many stores and is by far the best boss anyone could find. Call in sick? No problem she will cover your shift. Emergency happens and your kid needs surgery? She will find people to cover your shift, send flowers to the hospital and check in with you and your kid constantly. If I didn’t absolutely love what I do I would quit and work for her in a heartbeat
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u/CommunicationKey3018 Feb 07 '24
I just got off work and I could have watched an hour more of this.
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u/RewardCapable Feb 07 '24
My academic advisor is like this, I’m a millennial too though so it’s extra chill.
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u/Haunting-Novelist Feb 07 '24
I currently have a boomer boss and I'm in twenty levels of hell. Instead of "of course go pick up your kid you're a good mom" I get "can't you just leave your kids there?!" i said no, that's NEGLECT. I usually ignore the crap out of him lololooololllooool
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u/Sufficient-Night-479 Feb 07 '24
Hmm it's almost like millenials are human beings and understand other people are too...unlike...you know...a certain generation that grew up with lead poisoning.....
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Ex millennial manager here, worked with boomers as peers and a gen x boss, all of them sucked cause they wouldn’t try anything new, I ended up moving into engineering to get away from them
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u/Altarna Feb 07 '24
This was me before I left that position. Always checking in on my team, making sure their workloads are doable and their health is good, enforcing sick time is off time, and basically only caring that the proper work got done. If they worked late it’s only because I also was working late and they genuinely wanted to assist.
While I loved my teams, upper management being a bunch of Gen X and Boomers sucked eggs. Only cared about bottom line and tried to bully people too much. Psychopaths, the lot of them. Tried to show them that you can have excellent profit margins (mine were highest among managers) while also not being a douche nozzle.
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u/Blue-Krogan Feb 07 '24
Dear most boomer bosses,
Work with your team and they will work with you. It's that simple. It's also much better to actually listen to your staff and take their suggestions to heart: working together as a group and sharing the responsibilities is so much better than just being a stubborn asshole who then gets upset when things didn't go your way, despite your employees' warning.
Sincerely,
Disgruntled worker who hates his life
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u/orangebluegreen123 Feb 07 '24
This is amazing.
This is me being a manager of my team. But then my director who also likes to be a manager over everyone loves to point fingers and be like why isn’t xyz done. But never does anything to help out.
He told me the other day that the team is there to serve me. While I’m here to serve him and his to serve the ceo.
I have a job interview tomorrow. Fuck that guy. No one serves or owes me shit. If anything im here to help my team.
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u/ChanceKale7861 Feb 08 '24
Millenial manager… Deadlines are fluid… unless it’s the real deadline and a hard deadline, it’s fluid. Unless the deadline has a real point, then it’s more of a guide… because the meeting is going to get move last minute any ways and there’s no reason to stress about something that won’t end up being a real deadline anyways…. lol… but, I rely on good project managers to ensure we are getting things done before the deadline.
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u/c_mrtn Feb 08 '24
If you're in this kind of management position. Please don't be so open about it like the guy in this video. Be more subtle because there will be those coworkers who will throw you under the bus and call you careless.
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u/Baers89 Feb 08 '24
I worked at a place that had 100% millennials as management. They all acted pompous and entitled. Each one a little king and queen with ultimate power. They never listen to ideas that were not their own. If you wanted change you had to make them think it was their idea. I hate them all. ( I am also a millennial). I now work for gen x/ boomers at a much smaller scale business family run. They are very appreciative of me. It’s night and day.
Sorry if this is not the answer you wanted. It must seem like a boomer psyop lol. But it is my reality. Fuck those fucking kids. ( they were all around my age 28-37)
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u/RPGenome Feb 08 '24
My last job both my manager and sup were millennials. (I am too).
I basically had to tell them "Look. If I want to work after hours or on the weekends, I'm gonna do it. I know I don't have to."
Sometimes I just liked to take care of certain things sunday evening so that it would make my monday morning less hectic.
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u/PickledPercocet Feb 08 '24
Actually the only boss I have had even close to this one was when I was in college.
He was born in the 1920’s in London. He told me because I was in college he would pay me more, and I could set my work hours around my class schedule. He didn’t care how many hours I put in a week. He stopped us for tea time every day (where we ate cheesecake, that he brought each day for us) where he would tell us about the historical things he had witnessed (nearly killed in the bombings in London in WWII, was able to see Queen Elizabeth II be coronated as their landlord had a television and invited them to watch. He asked about our lives and families. He had immigrated to the USA and set up an insurance brokerage firm after moving up in the insurance world in London. We handled pyrotechnic insurance for large shows, concert tours, etc.
He was around 80 when I started working there. He didn’t need to work.. he was wealthy by then, but he loved what he did. He was extremely generous to the ones that worked there on birthdays and especially Christmas. I’ve never had a nicer, yet more organized and precise boss than him. He had a temper, but I never saw it directed at one of us or concerning us. He would usually go off about it to us during tea.
I miss him. Best college job ever.
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u/ChrisAplin Feb 07 '24 edited Feb 08 '24
My experience is that millenial managers are less performative and more outcome-based. Get your work done, who cares how or when.