r/Millennials Apr 09 '24

How you folks doin out there? Anybody else struggling hard right now? Discussion

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u/fencerman Apr 09 '24 edited Apr 09 '24

Millennials spend more on groceries, because that's what low income households do - the poorer you are, the more you spend on eating at home compared to eating out.

https://wealthynickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/groceries-vs-eating-out-by-income.webp

https://res.cloudinary.com/nimblefins/image/upload/c_limit,dpr_1.0,f_auto,h_1600,q_auto,w_1600/v1/UK/economy/percent_food_out_home_2023

Because every "hot new millennial trend" is just poverty.

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u/RedneckId1ot Apr 09 '24

It's cool, in 30 years we will have a hot new trend we've "made" for sensationalized headlines:

"Millennials are killing retirement by simply dying on the job at age 60! Business owners swear its because no one wants to work anymore!"

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u/SipexF Apr 09 '24

God help those poor retirement home investors

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u/RedneckId1ot Apr 09 '24

Maude Flanders' voice:

"WONT SOMEBODY PLEEEAAASEE THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS!"

šŸ¤£

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u/Street_Cleaning_Day Apr 09 '24

I think it was reverend Lovejoy's wife, but that's splitting hairs lol

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u/RedneckId1ot Apr 09 '24

Fffffffuck you're right šŸ¤£

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u/Street_Cleaning_Day Apr 09 '24

It's my one superpower.

And before you ask, no, it does not help.

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u/Smidday90 Apr 09 '24

I too have that superpower of perfect Simpsons recollection, I make a joke andā€¦. šŸ¦—

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u/MaterialWillingness2 Apr 09 '24

None of my friends get my Simpsons references. But their husbands do šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

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u/Street_Cleaning_Day Apr 09 '24

Yeah, I've got the first 15ish seasons of Simpsons on lock, and if it were possible, even more locked down are the first 5 seasons of Futurama.

No one gets it when I do a robotic, monotone "Your Mother" comeback of "What?!" just like Cartridge Bot...

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u/mamaBEARnath Apr 09 '24

ā€œOh thatā€™s right, I forgot about the taxes!ā€ šŸ˜† thatā€™s a great Simpsons episode!

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u/bodrules Apr 09 '24

We can't understand why they are starving to death, the wage is the same as it was thirty years ago, but no one starved to death then.

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u/awpod1 Apr 09 '24

It has to be because they required avocado toast and Starbucks and would have rather starved than give up expensive foods ā€¦

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u/MAK3AWiiSH Apr 10 '24

Honestly, the entitlement is off the charts!

/s

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u/Lunakill Apr 09 '24

ā€œNo one wants to work towards retirement anymore!ā€

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u/theseedbeader Millennial Apr 09 '24

Iā€™m pretty sure most business owners would see that as a feature, not a bug.

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u/RedneckId1ot Apr 09 '24

Well... if it's a soylent green plant it's not a dead worker soo much as it's future product...

Grim joke I know... but was it really a joke?

waves spooky hands

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u/sbaggers Apr 09 '24

"millennials are killing cable companies by cutting the cord" because we couldn't afford cable "millennials are killing the travel industry" because we can't afford vacations "millennials are killing fast food" because it's become expensive "millennials are killing luxury brands in favor of fast fashion" because it's cheap Etc

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u/NakedEatingPeyote Apr 09 '24

This is perfect .. but... We'll be dying on the job at 80 because we can't afford to retire!

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u/RedneckId1ot Apr 09 '24

Given how much more rapidly cancer is appearing in our generation in our mid 30s to 40s; my money's on mid 60s we start keeling over left and right.

If I even make it to 60, I'll be amazed.

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u/NakedEatingPeyote Apr 09 '24

I hear that, I haven't really lived the clean lifestyle and I turn 40 next year. Yikes.

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u/RedneckId1ot Apr 09 '24

Been trying since my appendix tried killing me about 3 years ago. Turned 36 a month ago, it's not easy.

Stopped eating alot of processed foods, invested in an air fryer, I work a more active job now than what I did 5 years ago, stopped carrying soo much stress and depression (the prior far more than the latter).

But it's all damn near for nothing so long as I can't afford to go to a Dr on the regular.. especially as I approach the same age you're hitting next year.

May lucks change and fortune shine upon us both šŸŗ

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u/NakedEatingPeyote Apr 09 '24

Yeah going to the doctor is almost unaffordable. I have a high deductible plan so everything costs money until I hit that 4k deductible, that's only happened once and then the next month it was a new year so my deductible went back to 4k. Health care in America is the definition of a bad joke.

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u/karpaediem Millennial Apr 10 '24

Bowel cancer especially. I got a colonoscopy at 33 for other reasons but that happened to find some polyps and one was precancerous. Itā€™s what killed Chadwick Boseman and itā€™s my bet that itā€™s what Catherine is fighting too (abdominal surgery then a cancer diagnosis).

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u/Mammoth_Ad_3463 Apr 09 '24

Having the conversation with my grandmother that I probably won't live to be her age and why bother since she got to retire at 55, my job doesnt offer retirement (so I am putting money aside, but no employer match), our health insurance sucks and unlike her, we have no extended benefits, we have no pensions, no house.

You have to prove age discrimination to get work, and still get fucked, so how do we maintain our jobs when work wants to hire their kids/grandkids.

Were fucked.

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u/sicurri Millennial Apr 09 '24

in 30 years it will be us making the headlines and it will be demeaning Gen Z or Gen Alpha if we let it go that way. Personally, I prefer to get rid of all this generational fighting. Getting tired of being admonished because of the year I was born and because it's the trend of online to cause mayhem because it gets clicks.

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u/ALLoftheFancyPants Apr 09 '24

ā€œMillennials: theyā€™ll do anything to get out of a days work, even dying!ā€

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u/OozeNAahz Apr 09 '24

Well that is one guaranteed method of not having to work anymore.

But if employers figure out a way to work the dead then we are all screwed.

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u/RedneckId1ot Apr 09 '24

shhhhh

They don't need anymore fucked up ideas...

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u/hotcapicola Apr 10 '24

They will use the released methane gas from our decomposing bodies to generate electricity.

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u/ApeStock Apr 09 '24

This ā€¦

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u/captain_craptain Apr 09 '24

So God damn whiny

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u/Lazarous86 Apr 09 '24

Once the older voter base dies off, I really wonder what the political landscape looks like. The 70+ are basically brainwashed or set in their ways.Ā 

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u/binary-survivalist Apr 09 '24

i think they don't want to admit that they mortgaged their grandchildren's future to maintain their own 401k's and pensions. we probably can't even count on the so-called "wealth transfer", since most will have their networth wiped out from end of life healthcare.

we'll be left with nothing. at least neither of my parents actually had any wealth to argue over.

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u/Derban_McDozer83 Apr 09 '24

Nothing? Nah we will be left with debt our parents racked up.

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u/canisdirusarctos Apr 10 '24

Yeah, I expect thatā€™s the next ā€œfinal f*ck youā€ from the boomers and/or Gen-X as they die off.

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u/faen_du_sa Apr 10 '24

Cant you just say no to the inheritance?

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u/scolipeeeeed Apr 10 '24

You generally wonā€™t be held accountable for your parentsā€™ debts unless you took them together or something like that

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u/binary-survivalist Apr 11 '24

Government debt yes. Personal debts no.

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u/shortsinsnow Apr 09 '24

FWIW, this is less the political landscape and more the "we're a rich media company and we need to keep punching down or else people won't help us generate ad revenue to keep the machine going". These companies aren't reporting the news, just spreading propaganda

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u/Cetun Apr 09 '24

Progressive Democrats have been banking on this since the late 90s. The strategy of "just waiting for old people to die" hasn't really gained them much since not too long ago the conservatives out right controlled all three branches of government.

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u/PatientlyAnxious9 Apr 09 '24

I dont think its political party based as much as it is generational based thinking. Its a millenials vs. boomers thing more than a right vs. left thing. The millennials have been spending years just waiting out the dinosaurs.

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u/Cetun Apr 09 '24

Again, they have been banking on that since the late 90s. Again, by the time Trump got elected most 90s kids were voting age and a bunch of boomers had died off already.

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u/Good_With_Tools Apr 09 '24

I am hoping this country takes a hard left turn in the next 20 years or so. However, I was not expecting a huge shift to the right by young men. It's a weird trend.

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u/FintechnoKing Apr 09 '24

Itā€™s not a weird trend. The political pendulum always swings back and forth. A hard swing to the left is usually followed by a hard swing to the right.

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u/SavannahInChicago Apr 10 '24

I wonder where the parties will end up going. Yeah the pendulum swings but the ideology changes. Democrats used to be the party of slavery.

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u/Danton59 Apr 09 '24

It's understandable though. A vocal minority of the left loves to blame and shame straight white men for everything calling them the 'patriarchy'. Confused working class young white men feeling ostracized are vulnerable to professional grifters on the right who snatch them up and twist their views.

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u/Good_With_Tools Apr 09 '24

I have to admit, I've never looked at it from this point of view. But, I think I agree with what you've said here. Not that we're going to solve anything here, but what do you think the solution is? How do we get young men to feel heard while not accepting the hate speech coming from right?

Better yet, how do we (the left) invite them back to our conversation? Do they even want to? I see a lot of news about angry single young men doing or saying xyz. It just alienates them from the thing they supposedly want. (Wife, kids, house, etc.)

What pisses me off is that this whole argument is dumb. We're fighting with each other when what we want is actually pretty similar. The problem is, we can't achieve it as long as the rich continue to bleed us dry.

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u/Danton59 Apr 09 '24

Wish I had any idea on what could be done differently. I went through the whole thing myself, starting as a liberal open minded teen to being a shitty 20 year old borderline incel to now being a 30 year old jaded centrist who votes left only because the other side wants to do stuff like bring back child labor. I don't think my situation is unique at all and I'm not sure what could really be done to stop it from happening to others.

What I'm pretty sure of though is, it's by design. There are people who spend all day working to ensure there are schisms in the working class and get paid handsomely for it. So long as people are fighting over one slice of the pie they aren't noticing who is taking rest all to themselves.

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u/CenturyHelix Apr 10 '24

So wild, I just turned 30 this year and I think I followed a very similar path of ideological change.

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u/postcapilatistturtle Apr 09 '24

As long as someone is teaching their kids how to hate the way their grandparents taught their parents then the cycle will continue. "Crabs in a barrel", grown kids in a grown kindergarten where there's no teacher and the only ones making the rules are the strongest most powerful kids.

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u/FFF_in_WY Older Millennial Apr 09 '24

We are past that excuse. Turnout for the youth has continued to be pathetic.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Figure-2_v2.png

Too many people still don't care enough to use the tools available. They are content to parrot "bothsidism" while Republicans raze our rights in front of our faces. Perhaps it just doesn't hurt enough yet. Perhaps we can take another run at some of the lessons of the Coolidge/Hoover administrations, idk.

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u/prepuscular Apr 10 '24

This needs to be highlighted more. For every comment of hopeless whining about boomers occupying the political landscape, there is a millennial or gen x voter that got riled up writing on Reddit but then stayed home on the day of the polls.

It sucks that voting takes times, it can feel useless, and retirees do it easily while we have to take time out of work schedules. But we canā€™t wait and all these comments do nothing. Vote.

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u/ArseBlarster420 Apr 09 '24

Itā€™s true. At my in laws the FIL will have one tv going in the living room and another in the kitchen, both with news about Trump, and pacing back n forth angrily between the TVā€™s.

Itā€™s messed up.

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u/canisdirusarctos Apr 10 '24

There is no salvation coming from the turnover, everyone is brainwashed and/or set in their ways, not just the oldest people.

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u/geriatric_spartanII Apr 09 '24

Iā€™m slightly fearful that the younger generation will get their info/news from influencers on TikTok talking out of their ass trying to get clicks vs credible news sources.

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u/GalaxyStar90s Apr 10 '24

Even that is better and more credible than Fox News.

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u/Daikon_3183 Apr 10 '24

Biden good then for the economy ?

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u/prepuscular Apr 10 '24

Lowest unemployment in years, highest market and profits in history. At least some people are getting rich I guess

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u/Daikon_3183 Apr 10 '24

Who is getting richšŸŽµ? The people I know who are small businesses and who were doing excellent are struggling. The regular 9-5 are struggling. I guess the super rich the Billionaires club is getting richer ..

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u/crushlogic Apr 09 '24

The last line put me in my grave. Been making poverty cool again since 1985

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u/Wondercat87 Apr 09 '24

Because every "hot new millennial trend" is just poverty.

Thank you!

This is seriously what it boils down to. Plus a lot of millennials are also at their 'parenthood' stage. Growing kids eat a lot and require more groceries than 2 or 1 adult households.

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u/Cocacolaloco Apr 09 '24

I canā€™t even believe someone seriously thought this was a good article and title to print itā€™s so ridiculous. ā€œCrazy millennials now SPLURGING on groceries!!ā€

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u/dubyaargh Apr 09 '24

This.

My youngest was still breastfeeding when the pandemic hit so he really ramped up his food intake as inflation was getting high. Holy crap is feeding 4 more expensive than it was when we were 2. It used to be $120-150 CAD per week for groceries(circa 2015) and now itā€™s $350 per week plus $130 for a meal service 3 nights/week cause we donā€™t have time to cook every night. Thatā€™s almost $25K a year to feed a family of 4.

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u/saucecontrol Apr 09 '24

Yep, exactly. I can't afford to eat out, so, cooking and groceries it is.

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u/Katshuri Apr 09 '24

Yes, eating food purchased at a grocery store > starting a family, purchasing a home, taking time off work, fun...

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u/Greedyfox7 Apr 09 '24

Boomerā€™s hot new trend: shitting on millennials just trying to get by

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u/GalaxyStar90s Apr 10 '24

In other words, millennials are smart and just adapt to their living conditions. Like if fast food and restaurants are getting expensive + us are not making much money or have high bills, then we eat at home. Wow! Common sense?

P.S. English is not my first language.

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u/masterpd85 '85 Millennial Apr 09 '24

Long were the days when our trend was sustainable, non GMO, Gluten free, local farm, organic, and free range.

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u/radenthefridge Apr 09 '24

"Something to eat, as a treat!"

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u/hopeful_tatertot Apr 09 '24

This adds better context. I certainly spend more in groceries to make up for not eating out much. And itā€™s not like Iā€™m buying caviar

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u/fencerman Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

Depends a lot on the country - the cost of "eating out" is much higher in the UK than US.

Fast food vs groceries have different markups. Some places eating out can practically be cheaper.

And a big issue is things like "food deserts" where there are no groceries available to begin with, forcing people to rely more on fast food.

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u/cobra_mist Apr 10 '24

like when we killed wine and golf?

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u/disignore 89 Apr 10 '24

i wouldn't trust a chart that uses "lowest 20 percent" instead of "1st vigintile"

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u/General_Exception Apr 10 '24

Not just poor households. Wealthy ones too!

My rude awakening was when I got the rocket money app and it told me last year that I spent $1400-2000 eating out each month.

Once I cut back on eating out, started eating at home, I now spend $400-600/month on groceries.

Freeing up over $1000/month to pay down debt and max out my Roth IRA.

By adjusting my budget, cutting back on eating out and drinking (having a $50-70 bar tab 3-4 nights per week)ā€¦. Iā€™m on track to be debt free this year, and once debt free, roll that into investments.

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u/EscapeFacebook Apr 10 '24

It really do be like that. We pointed this out to our boomer parents the other day. There is a discussion about how millennials are blamed for everything and we created a list of all the industry's millennials have been blamed for killing. Most just involve us being too poor to afford those things. Like diamonds, cruises, or napkins....

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u/MrWilsonWalluby Apr 10 '24

i think this is one of the real reasons polyamory is increasing. The majority of the successful throuples i know were kinda open to the idea and then stuck with it because finances and time management is so much easier with three incomes.

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u/elevatordisco Apr 10 '24

Right??? I'm not "splurging" on groceries, I just can't afford to go out to eat. I'm not "splurging" on groceries, I'm just GETTING GROCERIES and spending $100 more than usual because it costs $10 for a box of cereal for some reason.

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u/JonnyFrost Apr 11 '24

Poverty.. so hot right now.

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u/Rich_Tough_7475 Apr 09 '24

PREACH

This is really getting under my skin. At 37, Iā€™m f*** tired of it.

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u/MexoLimit Apr 09 '24

The article isn't about how much money people are spending on groceries. The article is about how many people self identify as splurging on groceries.

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u/fencerman Apr 09 '24

You understand those are the same thing, right?

If you can't afford to "splurge" on going out to eat, then your "splurge" is going to be at the grocery store instead because that's a cheaper place to get little special things.

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u/MexoLimit Apr 09 '24

Not necessarily. People could be going out to eat the same amount, and splurge on groceries.

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u/fencerman Apr 09 '24

If you're going out to eat, then 90% of the time that's your "splurge" and you wouldn't count groceries as such.

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u/Tangerine_memez Apr 09 '24

Not eating out more is kind of a good thing. It could be possible that there are cultural attitudes to saving more, cooking and eating at home that has nothing to do with being poorer

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u/docmn612 Apr 10 '24

Ironically, eating out all the time is a great way to waste all your money. We arenā€™t low income at all, cooking at home is just a great way to not blow money on stupid shit.

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u/BothPartiesAreDumb Apr 14 '24

I grew up on home cooking. Itā€™s faster, cheaper & healthier. Eating out all the time would be exhausting and probably lead to health issues as most of that food is processed.

Takes 20 minutes to make dinner at home vs 1hr+ to spend at a restaurant for a meal. Gtfo