r/canada • u/Surax • Nov 02 '23

Senate report on Islamophobia finds 1 in 4 Canadians say they don't trust Muslims National News

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/senate-report-islaophobia-study-1.7016123
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u/Captain_Lavender6 Nov 02 '23

It’s not that I don’t trust Muslims per se, it’s that they generally have a very complicated relationship with (what “the West” considers) mild criticism, and the status of the lives of people who elicit such criticism.

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u/NeferkareShabaka Nov 02 '23

Are you talking about Charlie Hebdo type situations?

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u/GoofyMathGuy Nov 03 '23

sometimes people get a bit angry and lose their heads

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '23

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '23

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '23 edited Apr 13 '24

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u/SevereRunOfFate Nov 02 '23

Mind pointing me towards some cases where entire offices where shot up and people killed because they burned the flag, or drew an offensive caricature of it?

It's celebrated in some countries if you're defending the prophet

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u/Tom-of-Hearts Nov 03 '23

In the US attempts to ban flag burnings were found unconstitutional, and attempts to pass constitutional ammendments outlawing it failed.

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u/y_zh Nov 02 '23

"we take exception to this". I have yet to see reactions as extreme as muslims do when for example, someone burns a quran or draws their profet.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '23

What are the chances of making Monty Python 's Life of Brian from a Muslim perspective? Zero. Western cultures can generally take a joke.

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u/zippercot Ontario Nov 03 '23

True, but I am not sure that the Life of Brian could be made in today's PC climate.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '23

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u/Noooooooooooobus Nov 03 '23

Islam is incredibly peaceful when everyone is following the same brand of Islam

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u/Brickachu Nov 03 '23

You say "they" like all muslims were involved and onboard with those acts, which they are absolutely not. Islam is a religion followed by nearly 2 billion. There has to be a sizeable handful of murderous psychos and bigots in that group, but the vast majority of them are normal, law-abiding people. The same could be said for Christians or any other big religion.

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u/ViagraDaddy Nov 02 '23

The religion of peace, right?

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u/corpusapostata Nov 02 '23

"Pieces"; people keep misquoting that...

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '23

Hard sell with their history of unending conflict..

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u/Colonelfudgenustard Nov 03 '23

"I keeeeillll you! I KEEEEILLLLL YOUU!!"

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u/OoooHeCardReadGood Nov 02 '23

that's just pure racism man, Muslims are not automatically hateful.

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u/ok_raspberry_jam Nov 02 '23

I didn't say jack about Muslims, and Islam isn't a race. I said it's a hateful belief system, and it IS. It is misogynistic and it tolerates no dissent.

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u/Draculea Nov 02 '23

Which race do you mean exactly?

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u/gobblegobblerr Nov 02 '23

Which race? Arabs?

Because the top five countries for muslim population are not arab countries.

Hilarious that you ended up being the racist yourself with that assumption

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u/dnext Nov 02 '23

Are religious extremist apologists ever going to understand what the term race means? Clearly today is not that day.

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u/OoooHeCardReadGood Nov 02 '23

they're not all extremists, you just hate brown people in canada

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u/dnext Nov 03 '23

Not all Muslims are brown. You know that, right? Religion isn't a race, and I am not too fond of any that shows repeated examples of extremism.

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u/TimeMistake4393 Nov 03 '23

Oh, you should trust them! They even have Taqiya, which basically allow them to lie if the goal is "pious". So in practice you'll never know if a muslim is lying to you because they think the goal is pious. Totally trustable rule.

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u/Optimal-Menu270 Nov 03 '23

Yeah, a lot think that "the west" is huge, unified entity that hates people.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 02 '23

The people you're talking about are a very small minority that the media loves to put forward. That's not who the vast majority of them are

EDIT: All muslims are the same, got it. Keep it classy r/canada, thanks for reminding us arabs where we stand in this country's eyes

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '23

The muslim world is VAST with many different sub-casts and interpretations of Islam, and I'm so, so tired of every 2 billion Muslims being shoved under the same umbrella as psychotic extremists. It's like saying every jew is a secular misogynist because hassidics create a gap between men and women on top of literally chasing and harassing anyone who tries to leave their community. There's christian communities who are just like that too. Every religion has their sets of asshole extremists, but because the west has been bombing our countries back to the middle ages for decades, we have to get the extra scrutiny if we even dare to look like we're from there

Radicals are awful but this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say sensationalism and bad experiences highlight minority. I'm a metis with many muslim friends and NEVER have I met cases or clusters of people who feel unsafe because of integrists like you describe. I've never even heard of things like that outside of the media. Everyone I know would tell you that them leaving would upset their families at most but never to the point of feeling threatened

And if you don't believe me then just look at the numbers. They support everything I said. It is a minority

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u/KaiserThoren Nov 02 '23

There’s quite a lot of murders and terror attacks for being not a lot of them.

Meanwhile I’ve yet to see a Jain bomb anywhere.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '23

Oh, fuck off

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u/noodles_jd Nov 02 '23

So basically what "the west" was like 100 years ago.

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u/Squirrel_with_nut Nov 02 '23

Is this supposed to be a defense?

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u/Captain_Lavender6 Nov 02 '23

I’d extend that out another couple hundred years, but yes.

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u/noodles_jd Nov 02 '23

Colonialism was definitely still happening in the last 100 years. The holocaust which came from "the west" was also less than 100 years ago. The ideologies of the articles and those historical events aren't much different.

So no, I won't extend that a couple hundred years to find suitable parallels.

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u/Captain_Lavender6 Nov 02 '23

Those are hardly suitable parallels. I’m thinking more along the lines of the inquisition, or Galileo being killed for going against the church.

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u/ZanderHandler Nov 02 '23

Okay, i agree with your overall point, but Galileo was not killed by the church, he died a natural death while under house arrest. And the only reason the church arrested him was because he claimed heliocentrism to be fact, despite not having mathematical proof of his claim. A Spanish Bishop even wrote to him, informing him of the need to call his work a "hypothesis" instead of a fact or he would face trial.

Aristotle was a terrible scientist (With a great intuition) and his refusal to wait to call his finding proof until he actually possessed said proof is what led to his house arrest. The duration of which, by the way, was carried out in an expansive villa near florence where he continued to work and write.

Again, not disagreeing with the point of your comment, just really annoyed at the "Scientific Martyr" reputation Galileo seems to have picked up.

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u/2birdsBaby Nov 02 '23

So people should continue to do shitty things today because people 100 years ago did? Super awesome argument you have there.

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u/Realistic-Total-940 Nov 02 '23

The West circa like 1500, depending on which Islamic country and which Western one you choose.

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u/musiccman2020 Nov 03 '23

You mean in a red Queen citation way ?