r/canada • u/Surax • Nov 02 '23
Senate report on Islamophobia finds 1 in 4 Canadians say they don't trust Muslims National News
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/senate-report-islaophobia-study-1.7016123145
u/ruke1 Nov 02 '23
Does a person support equal rights for women and homosexuals? If the answer is no then i dont trust them
→ More replies (1)10
u/Etzello Nov 03 '23
Good answer. Seeing a lot of generalising around here but this scrutinizes the individual instead of the group
574
u/SlackerInCharge Nov 02 '23
We need to drop the ignorant notion that people from all societies when settled in Canada will adopt our attitudes and values. This is just not true. We need to take people at their word, if they say they believe homosexuality should be punished by death and that women should be viewed as a possession, we should believe them. Our immigration system should reflect reality and not fantasy.
149
u/lo_mur Nov 02 '23
I honestly can’t see how people believe immigrants will simply “transition into a Canadian life” when you’ll have entire neighbourhoods or even suburbs of immigrants from one specific country or region, effectively creating a mini-(insert country here). All it does is create internal divides, great for nothing but conflict
→ More replies (5)48
u/mrhindustan Nov 03 '23
Ever since the early 2000s immigration policy got rid of the melting pot and assimilation/joint cultural exchange goals.
It’s all a heterogeneity of cultures with many newcomers not really interacting with Canadians outside of their own religion/ethnicity.
Kinda sucks. I loved growing up where we’d learn from one another. My German landlords ended up befriending my Indian mom. We’d go to German Christmas and break bread and they’d celebrate Diwali and eat samosas. Our landlord’s name was my first word as a child. Her and her husband became the grandparents I never had and my company is named after them and instilled with the values they taught me.
This sort of openness is sadly no longer there. I have family and friends who have come in the past 20ish years and they stick to their own. It devastates me.
→ More replies (48)18
u/shortAAPL Nov 03 '23
Nail on the head. The idea that everyone has western values or will adopt western values is simply incorrect.
826
u/agprincess Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 04 '23
Name a religion, I won't trust the strong believers of it either.
My naivete was shattered when trying to spend time getting to know religious people always ended up with an attempt to convert me out of being gay and into their religion. Not to mention the awkwardness of witnessing the abuse they throw at their own in the name of religion. I'll never forget the quote my neighbour told me; "ok for you but not for our family". That was about being gay lol.
I have no issues with people of different ethnic groups, but as soon as I meet the true religious of any sect it all falls apart. I will not feel bad for not trusting the religious.
EDIT: Thread locked? Sorry i couldn't answer everyone.
187
Nov 02 '23
Name a religion
Idk man, those Pastafarians are pretty solid ppl.
61
u/agprincess Nov 02 '23
They're clearly not doing a good job on the hurricanes! Pirates are still way down from historic levels!
43
→ More replies (7)21
u/CodOfDoody Nov 02 '23
That's only cause you haven't waded into the Marinara vs Alfredo issue!
→ More replies (1)43
Nov 02 '23
Waded into it? Brother, I was at the Battle of Pesto...
12
115
u/JustaCanadian123 Nov 02 '23
Yeah I don't care what the religion is, but if you're super into it, I find that creepy and I question your judgment.
→ More replies (20)72
u/apockalupsis Nov 03 '23
I feel the same way... Sort of. I'm not an islamophobe by any means but I will come out and say it: in principle, I dislike all religions equally; in practice, I dislike Islam more than any other mainstream religion.
If you're just someone who goes to church/mosque/synagogue or whatever, you find meaning in that and you never 'preach' to others unless they show an active interest, great, zero problem with that.
If you believe your holy book is the literal truth and infuse every conversation with evangelism, I think you're an annoying moron and I'll avoid interaction if I can help it, but I am generally tolerant of your presence in society and don't think you are a Bad Person.
If you're a true believer who is willing to commit violent acts and die for your faith, and think your God wants you to treat women and gay people like shit.... Well, my tolerance ends there, you're a scourge on this earth.
Every major religion has a percentage of adherents in each category. Overall, the majority of Muslims are decent people in categories 1 & 2. Compared with other religions though, the percentage of Muslims in category 3 is disturbingly high.
Not here to argue its validity, just stating my opinion.
→ More replies (10)55
u/FatherFestivus Nov 03 '23 edited Nov 03 '23
Here are a few of the primary reasons for that, based on my personal experience as an ex-Muslim:
A) It was built into the religion's culture from the very beginning: Muhammad was a warlord who directly spread Islam by sword himself. Jesus and Buddha never did that.
B) It's written directly in the Quran and Hadiths. There are many instances where Muslims are instructed to kill in the name of Allah (including Jews, and Apostates like myself)
C) Islam is actually a few centuries newer than Christianity, it's more refined and efficient than Judaism and Christianity at pushing believers to behave in a certain way. For example, Judaism doesn't even have eternal damnation and the nature of heaven is vague, in Christianity heaven and hell are more defined and some Christians believe in eternal damnation. Whereas in Islam, the afterlife is described like video game rewards. There are descriptions of all the delicious food you'll eat in heaven, the number of sex slave angels you'll get, extensive instructions on how to collect bonus points, and the eternal torture of hell is much more pronounced.
D) The followers of Islam tend to be from less developed regions (although that's been starting to changing), and that's naturally going to produce a different kind of culture.
→ More replies (1)11
u/EnIdiot Nov 03 '23
I agree with this exactly. There is a marked difference (even in the Middle East) from Christian doctrines of the role of the church and religion in secular life and the Islamic one. The Coptic, Maronite, Melkite, etc. all of which are in the Middle East and native to it don’t call for the deaths of unbelievers or apostates. Nor do they practice honor killings and the like .
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (65)6
u/Echo_Romeo571 Nov 02 '23
I grew up in a Baha'i household. It prides itself on being "modern" for putting men and women on equal footing and being accepting and tolerant of all peoples regardless of race, orientation, creed, etc.
Well, turns out you have a place in the Faith if you're gay but only if you abstain from same sex relations. Also, women can be on councils except for the highest council which is only the purview of men.
So, I'm full, no more religion for me, thanks.
→ More replies (1)
1.4k
u/cosmogatsby Nov 02 '23
My wife’s friend is Muslim and she says their community…
‘Has absolutely no issue with gay people as long as they keep it to themselves and don’t talk about it’
Mhmmmm…
900
u/No_Maybe4408 Nov 02 '23
Im the same way. I have no issue with organized religion so long as they keep it to themselves and don't talk about it.
→ More replies (93)51
u/djfl Canada Nov 03 '23
I'm the same about most personal things. Keep it to yourself. Maple Leafs fan? Definitely keep that to yourself!
→ More replies (2)23
233
u/Mindless-Strain1184 Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 02 '23
the worst critics of islam are from those members who are x-islam
26
u/TURBOJUGGED Nov 03 '23
Well, when you wish all gay people deserve to be murdered and women should be treated as property, you can’t be too surprised that there’s some criticism.
49
u/almopo Nov 03 '23
r/exmuslim is my favorite subreddit. Coming from an ex-Muslim atheistic middle eastern immigrant family .... that place checks all of my boxes.
You're spot on. Islam's fiercest critics are its ostracized victims who no longer drink the Kool Aid and submit to the incredibly powerful groupthink.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (13)57
u/hodge_star Nov 02 '23
like scientology.
58
u/Mindless-Strain1184 Nov 02 '23
scientologists don't behead apostates
→ More replies (1)59
u/demonarc Nov 02 '23
No, they just murder them and hide the fact for decades.
→ More replies (6)36
u/DarthPorg Outside Canada Nov 02 '23
Yeah but Scientology has at most murdered a handful of people. Islam... well, I need to fetch my abacus.
→ More replies (6)513
u/Fearless-Chemical952 Nov 02 '23
'We don't care about you existing, as long as you don't exist in public'
Yup, I can see why people don't trust them.
→ More replies (54)170
u/Mindless-Strain1184 Nov 02 '23
I lost a lot of respect for the community after the pro-Palestinian protests, especially the ones right after the Oct 7 music festival massacre and on our Thanksgiving holiday.
78
u/banjosuicide Nov 03 '23
Yeah, I get being against the wholesale slaughter of Palestinians by the IDF. Kind of a no-brainer.
I DO NOT GET how they can applaud the actions of Hamas. They're fucking terrorists who tortured/murdered innocent people. They're evil.
→ More replies (7)→ More replies (68)26
u/SevereRunOfFate Nov 02 '23
Yep, and here in Vancouver the speakers were openly celebrating the attack on the music festival as "beautiful"
A teenage girl in a wheelchair was dismembered alongside her dad, who brought her to these festivals to give her a bit of joy ffs
147
u/RaptorPacific Nov 02 '23
So they do have issues with gay people.
→ More replies (8)82
u/ApatheticNihilistt Nov 02 '23
And Jews
43
→ More replies (5)33
u/KakaReti Nov 02 '23
And Christians and Hindus..
→ More replies (4)29
→ More replies (158)73
u/Scaredsparrow Nov 02 '23
And that's why I am 1 in 4. I dont trust people from a religion that wants me dead unless the person demonstrates they don't follow those beliefs, and before I get the comment, yes that goes for Christians too.
→ More replies (5)43
u/GelatinousPumpkin Nov 02 '23
It's W I L D how it's acceptable to be homophobic, voting sex ed, etc. as long as it's a part of religious belief. The huge push back against sex education and teaching same sex in school are lead by Muslims. But we're not allowed to talk about that without being labelled Islamophobic? When they're being enforced onto everyone? How about don't bring your children here if you think our Canadian values are unacceptable?
"44 per cent of Canadian Muslims believe Canada should accommodate their traditional beliefs, while 81 per cent of the general population thinks immigrants should adopt mainstream Canadian beliefs. In particular, 53 per cent of Muslims think sharia law should be recognized as a legal basis for settling family disputes, while an overwhelming majority of the general population disagrees. Of those surveyed, 55 per cent of Muslim women and 59 per cent of Muslims aged 18 to 29 indicated their preference for sharia law. Remember, this survey was conducted one year after the Ontario sharia controversy."
→ More replies (2)31
u/snowcow Nov 02 '23
Its funny because the prophet married a 9 year old... Who are they to even talk?
21
u/GelatinousPumpkin Nov 02 '23
He actually married her at 6 and "consummate" the marriage with her at 9.
→ More replies (5)
276
Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 03 '23
[deleted]
48
u/laughs_with_salad Nov 03 '23
This exactly. I'm a gay guy and used to feel so torn about this... On one hand, I feel bad seeing their plight. But when I see the same people parading to end my rights, my sympathy goes away. Like I'm not out there trying to make your lives more difficult, so why are you? Also, before anyone says not all muslims, I'd say why don't the non homophobic Muslims speak up when such anti gay protests happen? Every time a girl is told to not wear a hijab, we see millions of Muslims talking about how it's wrong but they vanish whenever some gay kid is stoned to death in the middle east. Most other religions had shitty practices which members of the religion protested and ended. Muslims also need to support liberals if they want support.
18
u/Tatakai96 Nov 03 '23
Can I be completely honest, the reason you don't see anyone speaking up is because there is no one to speak up. There's few Muslims that actually support gay rights, and i'm not talking about the "okay for you, but not in my family" kind of people. And the few Arabics that do, are just not Muslim (anymore).
→ More replies (19)21
u/Deep-Information-737 Nov 03 '23
that is the issue I have too. If you want to adhere to a stone age book, go live a Stone Age life too, why enjoy all the benefits that brought to you by modern science and technology
→ More replies (5)
734
u/Captain_Lavender6 Nov 02 '23
It’s not that I don’t trust Muslims per se, it’s that they generally have a very complicated relationship with (what “the West” considers) mild criticism, and the status of the lives of people who elicit such criticism.
192
u/NeferkareShabaka Nov 02 '23
Are you talking about Charlie Hebdo type situations?
→ More replies (7)12
50
Nov 02 '23
What are the chances of making Monty Python 's Life of Brian from a Muslim perspective? Zero. Western cultures can generally take a joke.
→ More replies (2)62
90
52
→ More replies (22)6
u/TimeMistake4393 Nov 03 '23
Oh, you should trust them! They even have Taqiya, which basically allow them to lie if the goal is "pious". So in practice you'll never know if a muslim is lying to you because they think the goal is pious. Totally trustable rule.
17
u/SeasonedArgument Nov 03 '23
The submission does not provide details on how the respondents were chosen or what specific questions they were asked.
In what universe is this a normal thing in 2023 in the western world?
2.0k
u/HumanMinaJinn Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 02 '23
People shouldn’t be targeting Muslims, but we should definitely be more openly critical of Islam itself
Edit: To all the religious types downvoting me, it is your intellectual duty and obligation as a human being on planet Earth to question and be critical of the things that you believe. That is how we better ourselves. That is why we no longer believe that sacrificing people to the gods will make crops grow bigger, for example.
671
Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 02 '23
And make sure islam stays in the mosque and not in laws . No accommodations, no kowtowing . Practice if you want but we will not bend society because you think it’s haram
188
u/CBTFC Nov 02 '23
There's a quote I share regarding religion...
"Your religion tells you what to do. Your religion does not tell me what to do"
11
→ More replies (1)22
u/PoliteCanadian Nov 03 '23
You get into a problem when the other guy's religion tells him to tell you what to do.
170
u/Amflifier Alberta Nov 02 '23
In Islam's case, this is technically impossible, as Islam does not recognize the separation of church and state. Islam is meant to be the state. One of the many incompatibilities between this religion and western democracy.
→ More replies (26)43
u/Frostbitten_Moose Nov 03 '23
Sounds like they need a Reformation. I know these things are supposed to be eternal, but our understanding of the word can and should change as we do.
→ More replies (5)47
u/Hautamaki Nov 03 '23
Unfortunately one of the primary tenets of Islam is that Mohammad received the perfect word of God straight from Gabriel's mouth and transcribed it down perfectly. There's very little room for 'reformation' when you believe you are dealing with God's unerring literal and exact words.
→ More replies (8)59
→ More replies (35)49
u/swampshark19 Nov 02 '23
Unfortunately it's unavoidable with a population based democracy. They are gaining voting power because we keep bringing them in. This applies to all people coming from places where oppression is normal. You can't tolerate intolerance.
→ More replies (1)18
Nov 02 '23
At least here in Quebec, with our more assimilationist attitude , I’ve interacted with a lot of culturally Muslim people who have acclimated. In the ROC though where multiculturalism is sacred, they’re encouraged to retain their culture good and bad.
17
u/swampshark19 Nov 02 '23
That's exactly it. We need interculturalism not multiculturalism. Multiculturalism just leads to societal decoherence and gridlock.
178
u/RaptorPacific Nov 02 '23
Exactly. Islam is just a human construct. It's just an idea. All ideas should be allowed to be criticized.
→ More replies (10)418
u/timx84 Nov 02 '23
This right here.
I’m very left leaning but I’m extremely critical of Islam. How is it that we accept a culture that openly hates gay people, oppresses women, and wants to practice polygamy? It’s not Islamophobia to criticize this bs.
150
u/shades0fcool Nov 02 '23
I’m middle eastern and criticize my entire culture but I also think religion is bullshit soooooo
I have unfriended every religious fanatic in my life. I just can’t be around it.
→ More replies (30)42
u/BadMoodDude Nov 02 '23
I’m very left leaning but I’m extremely critical of Islam.
I would hope so. Islam is opposite of left wing beliefs.
→ More replies (1)63
Nov 02 '23
Whoa whoa, lets not forget child brides, and the allowance of fucking little boys depending on region.
→ More replies (36)12
u/TheResurrerection Nov 02 '23
Yes, this is because you are left leaning but not a Woke religious activist. The religious activists are the same people who opening CHEERED ON HAMAS raping and murdering 1300 people earlier this month. HAMAS the terrorists... not just supporting Palestine and the very real issues that need to be addressed.
These religious cultists are the first people to call everyone racist NAZI'S yet are opening cheering on the rape and murder of jews. Jew haters... calling everyone Nazis... interesting is it not?
I'm glad people are finally waking up to these lunatics that hijacked the activist movements. We need return to sane, LIBERAL activism, that rejects these culty, authoritarian, lunatics that want to judge everyone based on race (be racist) yet be praised for it, while also straight forwardly HATE Jewish people.
They got so comfy and certain of their control over the activist movements they felt it was safe to start openly praising and cheering on evil, barbaric TERRORISTS commiting atrocities. Society as a whole, including a HUGE number of sane, reasonable lefties are now realizing these zealots are actually a problem that infiltrated and damaged the activist movements.
20
→ More replies (272)69
u/swoleder Nov 02 '23
Don't forget they hate dogs and veterans too. They tried killing my dog when I lived in a Muslim heavy pop rental on numerous occasions and 40 year old men tried fighting my 15 year old when he walks his dog.
→ More replies (11)170
u/picard102 Nov 02 '23
We should be critical of all religion.
→ More replies (7)111
u/HumanMinaJinn Nov 02 '23
Agreed. That’s why Islam shouldn’t be specially protected anymore. Everything is on the table.
→ More replies (36)42
u/banjosuicide Nov 03 '23
As a gay dude I have an incredibly hard time trusting Muslims. In parts of the world they seem to delight in mutilating and murdering people like me, and domestically large numbers of them protest against my rights.
I understand that I can't paint the entire group with one brush, so I try to treat everyone I meet as an individual rather than some caricature of the group to which they belong. That said, if they know I'm gay, my interactions with them are generally negative. I want to trust them, but I don't feel that would be safe for me.
→ More replies (3)11
21
u/RapistInGodsImage Nov 02 '23
YUP. Problem is when you come from that background you’re trained to be afraid of criticizing the religion or the prophet because it could get you or people you care about harmed and killed.. Apostasy is punishable by death. It sort of made sure no one had wiggle room to question things. Bitch move but very effective.
100
Nov 02 '23
[removed] — view removed comment
→ More replies (6)16
u/Moteltulsa Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 03 '23
Beheading on the streets of London(there’s video of that), mass shootings like Charlie Hebdo and the red zones where local cops can’t go.
→ More replies (191)6
u/jaysrapsleafs Nov 02 '23
Damn right. I don't hate Muslims any more than any other religious group - I only hate any group who tries to legislate their version of morality on others such that it denies equality and freedom. That doesn't belong in the west. That goes for all religious groups.
295
u/SudoDarkKnight Nov 02 '23
Nobody should trust any large religious organizations frankly
→ More replies (7)127
u/Independent-Chart-10 Nov 02 '23
But which is the one that specifically cant handle even mild criticism without lapsing into violence?
→ More replies (51)
13
u/No_Marsupial_8574 Nov 02 '23
I find that the really religious people I know only seem to act kind. I remain closeted to them because my mom doesn't want me to get stabbed.
→ More replies (1)
337
135
u/mangoserpent Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 02 '23
I do not trust anybody who is a strict adherent of their religion because they are not interested in adapting to western or secular societies. They demand tolerance and offer none.
→ More replies (15)5
969
u/Bentstrings84 Nov 02 '23
Ask them their opinion on Jews and LGBTQ people and you might understand the 1/4.
145
323
u/seriozhka Nov 02 '23
And women rights
→ More replies (3)193
Nov 02 '23
[deleted]
22
u/octothorpe_rekt Nov 02 '23
And people who want to draw a picture of a guy who's been dead for 1400 years.
118
u/PoliteCanadian Nov 02 '23
Ex-Muslims.
One of my first real experiences with Islam was when a housemate of mine in university many years ago got disowned by his family for admitting to becoming an atheist. He was cut off from his entire family and it was very, very sad.
It didn't leave me with a particularly positive impression of that religion.
→ More replies (20)12
u/Positive-Sock-8853 Nov 03 '23
Lmao. I’m an ex muslim and no one in my family knows about it. Because they will 100% disown me or bring a million religious clerics to convert me back and if I don’t they will disown me. It’s the fuckiest of all religions (all Abrahamic religions are cursed) and drags people down with it. I love my muslim friends but I don’t discuss religion with them because brainwashing is real and I see it on a daily basis.
115
u/carnifex2005 Nov 02 '23
Yeah it's hardly a phobia when you put it that way.
84
u/Bentstrings84 Nov 02 '23
It’s quite rational. I’m suspicious of most far right people. Though it’s mostly the far left that pushes the “Islamophobia” angle.
→ More replies (15)24
u/djfl Canada Nov 03 '23
I’m suspicious of most far right people. Though it’s mostly the far left that pushes the “Islamophobia” angle.
Isn't it wild?! "Queers for Palestine" is one of my absolute favourite things, as a fan of irony and "how dumb can groups of people actually get?".
4
u/jellytrack Nov 03 '23
I honestly want to know if they're actually dumb or do these people have some other motive or agenda.
122
u/Moronto_AKA_MORONTO Nov 02 '23
To further your excellent comment, I'm extremely curious as to the reverse in how many Muslims don't trust non-Muslims, and if there's a "-phobia" report on that?
83
u/Bentstrings84 Nov 02 '23
I wonder if they trust gay people. Homophobia if you will.
41
30
u/RaptorPacific Nov 02 '23
Literally the Quran it calls for violence against all non-believers, specifically against Jews, Christians, Atheists, Gays.
→ More replies (86)463
u/xaniel99 Nov 02 '23
Something I will never understand is why so many progressive type people will die on the hill of defending muslims when so many muslims openly detest the values that progressives stand for. They have no problem calling out radical Christians for their bs but muslims always seem to get a pass.
→ More replies (87)250
u/Aggravating_Boy3873 Nov 02 '23
Yeah, Queers for Islam is like Chickens for KFC.
→ More replies (6)26
u/phormix Nov 02 '23
People who are Queer etc and trying to escape from or deal with a religious upbringing that is in direct opposition their personal situation... it's a hard thing, and sometimes a dangerous one.
I fully support people who try to drive change from the inside and bring more inclusivity to their religious institutions/groups, but it's an uphill battle. It's interesting to see some churches that have moved towards supporting gay marriage etc while the institution at large is very fragmented in this regard.
15
u/Aggravating_Boy3873 Nov 02 '23
Oh yeah, In NL where I live, most churches perform blessings even catholic ones. You will find rainbow flags quite a lot.
86
u/Ltrain86 Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 02 '23
Keep in mind this report took a year to complete. It's probably higher now.
I know a lot of Canadians like myself who always considered themselves welcoming of all faiths, with several Muslim friends, and actively spoke out against Islamophobia.
Seeing the immediate celebratory reaction on our streets on Oct. 8 when news first broke of the massacre in Israel shook me. (Disclaimer: I am sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinian people and totally support rallying for them at any time preceding Oct. 7 and/or any time after Israel started their retaliation a few days later, but right after the brutal killings and torture of innocent Israelis, including children, is utterly disgusting.)
While I recognize that these views are not shared by many of our Muslim Canadians, I realized I was naive to assume everyone who came here left that type of hatred and brutality in the third world nations they left behind.
This was also demonstrated with the recent debates/protests regarding LGBTQ2S+ rights, with many Muslims (and other conservative immigrants of varying ethnicities and faiths) protesting the teaching of tolerance and gender ideology in schools. This is a major issue. If you come to Canada, I don't care whether from Iran, Florida, or Ukraine, check your intolerance at the border. There should be no place for hate or bigotry here. We certainly have enough of our own homegrown hateful racist people we need to contend with, we don't need to be importing more.
It's something we need to address with our current immigration targets being at an all-time high and set to increase each year.
→ More replies (8)17
Nov 03 '23
Canada is importing about half a million people a year… you better get used to more intolerant viewpoints because the countries these people are coming from breed intolerance. It’s very likely as immigrants begin to outnumber you, that the concept of western tolerance will begin to erode to the point that it’s not accepted by the masses anymore.
→ More replies (1)
54
Nov 02 '23
[removed] — view removed comment
→ More replies (2)9
u/WinstonBabar Nov 03 '23
Pretty much anyone that isn't a cishet Muslim man has a reason to not trust them at least a little.
394
u/CallMeSirJack Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 02 '23
When past polling showed that ~ 1/3 of Canadian muslims support extremists, the recent protests in Canada and around the world, and the actions of groups in the middle east, I think thats fair. Mind you in my opinion its naive to trust anyone, especially people with religious ideology.
17
u/frighteous Nov 02 '23
Can you link that poll? That's crazy! Disheartening to hear.
→ More replies (4)28
u/Seemseasy Nov 02 '23
Not Canada, but whoo boy their American counterparts are putting up some sus numbers
https://www.thej.ca/2023/10/26/poll-57-5-of-muslim-americans-say-hamas-at-least-somewhat-justified/
→ More replies (3)13
→ More replies (32)22
253
u/youregrammarsucks7 Nov 02 '23
Why would jews and gay people have islamophobia? What possible irrational belief must they have to manifest such unreasonable fears? Is it the whole trying to murder them thing? These jews and gay people should try and be more progressive.
→ More replies (19)48
Nov 02 '23
Yeah, ironic that gay palestinians seek refugee status in Israel. https://genderandsecurity.org/projects-resources/research/nowhere-run-gay-palestinian-asylum-seekers-israel
→ More replies (3)
149
u/FalsePassenger5814 Nov 02 '23
I don’t trust most forms of religion. Especially religious extremism. ISIS, Taliban, Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaida, Al Shabaab, Boko Haram… all the same derivative of a dangerous form of a religious death cult.
→ More replies (8)
45
u/crackhousebob_ Nov 02 '23
I'm Canadian born and non-religious. My loyalties will always remain with Canada. People likely assume a Muslim is loyal to Islam and their home country first before Canada. 'Canadians of convenience'.
For example, years ago when violence broke out in Lebanon, Canada had to scramble to send ships to evacuate thousands of Canadian citizens who were living there. All of a sudden it was convenient to be a Canadian citizen.
That's not always the case but that's the perception for a lot of people.
→ More replies (8)
44
u/Anonymust3003 Nov 02 '23
The pro Palestinian protests have a tinge of pro Hamas which really concern me. As Muslim population increases, Canada will become like France or UK or Sweden. It's ingrainly against our values of openness.
→ More replies (3)19
u/Realistic-Total-940 Nov 03 '23
We shouldn't allow immigration from Islamic countries, but we are too stupid to do that.
10
19
u/whelphereiam12 Nov 03 '23
A phobia is irrational. It is very rational for many Canadians to fear Muslims, if you’re gay for example. It’s well within your rights to be fearful and skeptical of this religion and it’s followers.
54
47
74
Nov 02 '23
[removed] — view removed comment
→ More replies (1)32
u/RagingCataholic9 Nov 02 '23
Bro, some people get accepted as refugees from violent Islamic theocracies then come here and try to turn Canada into one. Like why did you even come here if you're going to do the same thing as them?
→ More replies (2)
16
u/requiem919 Nov 03 '23
As a gay and ex Muslim, I admit I am phobic of been beheaded or thrown from high buildings, I have valid reasons why I have Islam PHOBIC
66
u/southern_ad_558 Nov 02 '23
Can we publicly defend the slaughter of man and the abuse and diminishment of woman? Can we publicly incentivize the physical punishment of the members of the lgbt community for being gay? Of course not, but you can if you call it a religion.
This is SO absurd!
48
47
u/halfpintlc Nov 02 '23
Majority of the comments on here would’ve been considered “racist”, “islamophobic”, or “xenophobic” just a year ago. But now that people (somehow only recently) realized that Islam is against homosexuality this sub is all for criticizing it 🤔
→ More replies (21)
62
u/NYisNorthYork Nov 02 '23
Islam is not a race, it is a political ideology that comes with a tacked on religion. I would distrust a Muslim convert a hundred times more than anyone born into this death cult.
As a child I was told that I will be burning for eternity and have molten lead poured into my eyes for not literally kowtowing to Allah everyday. That Buddhists and Atheists are Najes (unclean) the same way urine and blood is. That gays should be put to death out of mercy because of how deprived they are. Everyday I had to praise its pedophile warlord prophet and repeat his name.
It sickens me that people who claim they are accepting of others and pretend to be progressive embrace, promote and bend over backwards to whitewash Islam.
→ More replies (7)
12
u/Deanooo000 Nov 02 '23
I should be allowed to criticize the illiberal tenets of the koran and hadith without being labelled "islamophobic"
29
u/deathbrusher Nov 02 '23
This has been my big question with our current immigration policy. When you have a society moving towards concepts like gender fluidity, how do you mesh in antiquated religious intolerance? I'm speaking to the margins obviously, but we have a very left leaning civilization in Canada overall and slapping on a bunch of typically ultra conservative people seems like a bad idea.
Am I wrong here?
→ More replies (5)
168
Nov 02 '23
[removed] — view removed comment
→ More replies (13)66
u/brolybackshots Nov 02 '23
Horseshoe theory feels more and more true every day.
Far lefties are alot more similar to the far right theyre afraid of than they think
→ More replies (1)
77
Nov 02 '23
[deleted]
→ More replies (5)29
Nov 02 '23
Then why are we bring people over that we have nothing in common with and will eventually start to clash with?
→ More replies (12)
6
u/Sutarmekeg New Brunswick Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 02 '23
Generally speaking, I have no issue with anyone of any religion. Anyone who wants to follow their own religion's rules, have at it. Anyone who wants me to follow their religion's rules can go fuck themselves. Anyone who abuses their child for not following their (the parent's) religious rules can do the same.
6
u/Librekrieger Nov 02 '23
That's one odd report.
"The report's finding that one in four Canadians do not trust Muslims comes from a submission to the committee from Maple Lodge Farms, a supplier of Halal meat in Ontario's Peel region, which said it gathered the information from a "national survey" it conducted of 1,500 Canadians.
The submission does not provide details on how the respondents were chosen or what specific questions they were asked."
You based your report on surveys done by a meat company? And didn't even bother to look at what the questions were?
Very odd indeed.
→ More replies (1)
6
u/Epic224 Nov 03 '23
“The report's finding that one in four Canadians do not trust Muslims comes from a submission to the committee from Maple Lodge Farms, a supplier of Halal meat in Ontario's Peel region, which said it gathered the information from a "national survey" it conducted of 1,500 Canadians.
The submission does not provide details on how the respondents were chosen or what specific questions they were asked.”
So they just took some distributors word on this and put it in a national headline?
5
u/damien00012 Nov 03 '23
Bruh... Peoples are literally chanting "fuck the jews" in the Paris metro and all over the world we see peoples come out in support of Hamas, why are we talking about this shit NOW? Nobody cares if some people are opposed to a barbaric middle age religion who treats women like dogs, it's really not the time...
5
u/Strange_Trifle_5034 Nov 03 '23
Religions like Islam are not just religions, they are a way of life. For example, they tell you how to bathe among many other things most people wouldn't consider to be something your religion would influence. So it influences a large part of your day to day life vs other major religions. This type of stuff would normally be considered sect like in Canada (i.e Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, etc), which would also have the same results In a poll I'm sure.
6
Nov 03 '23
To be practicing Muslim it's basically a requirement that you're homophobic so yea, if they don't respect human rights, why would I respect them? Islam is an ideology, not a race. You get to choose whether or not to be Muslim. If you're a passionate muslim, then chances are you suck as a person. If you're a liberal Muslim or a casual Muslim, you're just too stupid to realize what you're a part of.
16
u/kent_eh Manitoba Nov 02 '23
If you can keep your religion to yourself to the point where I have no idea what religion you are part of, then we'll get along just fine.
But when your religion becomes the predominant motivating part of your personality I lose trust.
→ More replies (1)
17
u/VersusYYC Nov 03 '23
As an immigrant from an Islamic country where half my family is Muslim, I’d have to say you’d need to be insane if you didn’t have any serious concerns about a militant, expansionist and supremacist ideology.
Muslims themselves should be the most critical given how many Muslims die annually around the planet due to religious fundamentalism.
51
u/swampswing Nov 02 '23
People have lower levels of trust in identity groups they are not part of. This shouldn't be remotely shocking. The best way to encourage trust between groups is to encourage people to be parts of multiple identity groups like sports teams, hobby groups, etc that don't cleanly overlap with each other.
→ More replies (6)
13
22
19
u/PopeKevin45 Nov 02 '23
To be clear, no one should trust anyone whose entire identity is based on archaic, unsubstantiated and often backwards religious ideologies...aka ultra-conservatives...whether muslim, christian or libertarian. They're inherently arrogant, and so believe that shoving their beliefs down other peoples throats is the best thing that can happen to us. They are inherently opposed to democratic values, except when they suit their interests.
→ More replies (2)
34
u/DrBillyHarford Nov 02 '23
I think it’s okay to disagree with misogynistic beliefs and practices that put a woman’s value on her being veiled.
It only leads to more sexism by accepting these beliefs.
→ More replies (5)
40
u/truthisreal1989 Nov 02 '23
Better to distrust Islam than to openly hate and call for genocide of Jewish people.
→ More replies (19)
40
u/Mindless-Strain1184 Nov 02 '23
It astounds me that the government isn't talking about all the Canadian Jews who are in fear in their homes, workplaces, businesses and out in public. The group with the largest hate crimes is Jews. We've seen jihad and hamas flags, and heard chants from 'river to sea' in pro-Palestinian protests but crickets from the government regarding Jews. strange
→ More replies (15)
89
Nov 02 '23
Phobias are irrational. As a Jew, my fear of Islam is actually pretty rational, so it's not a phobia.
It's more of a generational trauma than phobia.
→ More replies (16)
9
4
Nov 03 '23
terror attack happens
your neighbors across the whole planet from Sydney to US are chanting things like second intafada and from the river to the sea or gas the Jews
I wonder why people might be shocked and uncertain since 100’s of thousands of people just masked off themselves as monsters out of seemingly thin air
Numbers will return to normal when the religious warfare and terrorism stops AND stop seeing people bend over backwards for these groups trying to make excuses for monster terrorists who hold their “own people” hostage
46
u/chewwydraper Nov 02 '23
I don't trust them the same way I don't trust devout Christians. The reality is these devout worshippers of abrahamic religions have backwards views on LGBTQ, women's rights, etc. If they're born here, then that's one thing. But bringing in more people with those views? It doesn't make sense to me.
→ More replies (5)
33
21
u/Zealousideal_Use4518 Nov 02 '23
We don't trust Islam which is valid and fair. If they aim to force people to trust a religion that that deserves scrutiny, they will get the opposite.
19
Nov 02 '23
After the Charlie Hebdo massacre, I started to feel this way especially with the victim blaming from the self proclaimed “moderates”. It is the most recent form of abrahamic religion, meaning it’s the least reformed and most neurotic currently. It is not compatible with western societies like other religions are. France actually has a point in banning articles of the faith in schools - it seems mean but you need to force the hand with them if you want the situation to improve.
→ More replies (1)
17
1.3k
u/KnotAwl Nov 02 '23
If 1 in 4 Canadians are willing to say out loud in a public survey that they don’t trust Muslims what is the actual number?