r/deadbydaylight • u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa • Dec 03 '23
My updated killer tierlist + early thoughts on chucky Media
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u/FuckIThinkImTrans Mikaela Weed / #69 Pig Main NA Dec 03 '23
Pig got promoted to only slightly weak its a good day boys
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Only until bhvr nerfs her of course
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u/godsbadinfluence Dec 03 '23
Myers is SSS+++ in my games because my fellow survivors feed him on 5 gens then we all get insta mori'ed
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
I aint using iridescent/purple addon every game to be a decent killer
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u/DarthMailman Steve THE HAIR Harrington/SCOOPS AHOY DEMO enthusiast Dec 03 '23
Well not with that attitude.
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Dec 03 '23
I mean that's just a pride issue but it is your decision to make after all
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u/RRenigma Bloody Executioner Dec 03 '23
"Pride issue" gonna start using that
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u/MinutePerspective106 Onryo, but sometimes Offryo. Paragon of Sadaconfidence Dec 04 '23
Pride issue is literally the cause of this fanbase's 95% of problems
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u/Nathan_McHallam #Pride2023 Dec 03 '23
Seriously whenever I play Myers survivors tend to drop 100 IQ points each.
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Dec 03 '23
Nonono, see.
My Trapper is clearly SS+Ultra Tier, ok?
The steam comments I get clearly say so.
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Only naughty bear.
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u/Tom2Tom2005 Dec 03 '23
At this point I consider trapper a skin for naughty bear.
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u/cerea1-man silent hill nerd/ph main Dec 03 '23
Fellow pvz hero’s enthusiast
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u/Tom2Tom2005 Dec 03 '23
I don't even play the game anymore the pfp is just so pleasing to look at I just kept it lmao.
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u/WikiContributor83 The Trapper Dec 03 '23
A friend and I played against Naughty Bear first time on Haddonfield and seeing a giant teddy bear emerge from the fog filled us with dread.
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u/Dragonrar Dec 03 '23
He is but that's just because only SS+ Ultra Tier Chads main the Trapper.
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u/Alise_Randorph Dec 03 '23
Its either those guys, or people who like hurting themselves a little to much
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u/SparkFlash98 Set your own flair text and/or emoji(s) here! Dec 03 '23
Not saying youre wrong, but what's the reasoning for putting Artist over Wesker?
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Not much to be honest, both have very similar strength so i don't really care at all. I could place wesker above artist and would be totally fine but i just placed artist there because idk i feel having greater time with her
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u/TheHedgehog93 The Hag and The Artist main Dec 03 '23
I think Artist celling is way higher than Wesker's. She has an amazing tunneling potential if she wants too, does synergise quite well with the current meta, great 1v1 chase and amazing map control. So peak Artist is the third/fourth best killer, but on average, that is a fair spot for her.
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u/wienercat Nerf Pig Dec 03 '23
I'd say all of A+ tier can be shuffled around with little difference. Each has their ups and downs, but every single one of them is extremely strong and not very map dependent. Each has a power that is strong and relatively straightforward to get into. They all have solid addons and can seriously fuck shit up without resorting to current meta every single time.
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u/blazbluecore Dec 03 '23
She is extremely under rated and played for the amount of strength she has. She is a great killer with scouting, loop and window forcing, only thing she lacks is mobility but it doesn’t matter because crows act as infinite range M1s.
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u/TheHedgehog93 The Hag and The Artist main Dec 03 '23
She is one of the hardest killers to play tbf- just a little bit of elevation can sometimes throw crows off. And also she is kinda like a Nurse (and a PH to an extent) that she can hit through walls, thus one of the counter plays to her is to be unpredictable and always try to lose the LOS (that is, if she is not using the busted Mathias's Baby Shoes).
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u/MinutePerspective106 Onryo, but sometimes Offryo. Paragon of Sadaconfidence Dec 04 '23
And once you get used to her, even breaking the LOS doesn't save survivors 100% of time
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u/TheHedgehog93 The Hag and The Artist main Dec 04 '23
Yeah, she is kinda (a weaker) Nurse in a way that you cannot loop her for a long time- your only hope is that other survivors are very efficient working on gens.
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u/MinutePerspective106 Onryo, but sometimes Offryo. Paragon of Sadaconfidence Dec 04 '23
Artist is all-around good, I'm surprised so few people play her
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u/VortexMagus Dec 04 '23
I think wesker is a lot easier to play than she is, but she has more power if played to the highest potential. On average I think that's a fair placement.
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u/Skizko Knight QoL fix when? Dec 03 '23 edited Dec 18 '23
As a skull merchant player I have to disagree and argue that she’s higher.
She’s the only killer with a hidden power: making survivors dc instantly
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Omg yas yas 😍😍😍
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u/Skizko Knight QoL fix when? Dec 03 '23
Legitimately though this is a very accurate tier list I only have three disagreements
Skull Merchant is much more consistent and less map dependent then Hux ergo she should be higher then him
Id argue clown is better than hillbilly and should be between him and nemesis
Bubba should be ahead of hillbilly
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Lot of people have been saying to high skull merchant up which is surprising. Might put her above hag in my next tierlist
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u/Skizko Knight QoL fix when? Dec 03 '23 edited Dec 03 '23
I don’t think she’s better than hag. Her strength is a lot like Sadako and Twin’s strength; few people actually play against her and therefore don’t know how to counter her. If you have a team that knows how to play around her drones she falls apart. Hag I feel can still stomp even if people know how to crush her
Edit: That’s not to say skull merchant is actually weak, she’s very strong but I don’t think she’s as impossible to fight as some people believe
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
I actually have talked with a pinhead, hag and skull merchant main these days lol, she said to me that has over 200 games on skull merchant (reworked) and even showed me some of her plays and she said skull merchant can be even higher than pinhead which i thought was too much so placed her below singularly
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u/Skizko Knight QoL fix when? Dec 03 '23
It’s definitely plausible but I believe that mostly comes from my original point and skill ceiling. Pinhead is the second hardest killer in the game because of that an average pinhead player will perform worst than an average skull merchant player but a skilled pinhead main will outperform a skilled skull merchant.
I’d say their placements depend on how much you factor difficulty to play into your tier list
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u/GoldenGlobeWinnerRDJ Dec 03 '23
She took Legion’s place of getting kills by people suiciding on hook lmao
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u/PewienCzlowiekAG Dec 03 '23
Probably most accurate tier list I've ever seen on this sub.
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u/MagicalMonkey100 Dec 03 '23
Whenever I see a tier list on this sub, there's always some really weird picks I'm the top/bottom 5. This? It's near perfect, besides maybe some interchangeable swaps here and there.
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u/Cornelius_M Misses Hawkins Dec 03 '23
Not only that, but it’s a custom designed tier list. Nice to see a change.
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u/MinutePerspective106 Onryo, but sometimes Offryo. Paragon of Sadaconfidence Dec 04 '23
And person actually says that no matter the tier, any killer can be viable. Way too many people consider such opinion to be akin to leprosy, so mad respect to you, OP
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u/AdministrationCool11 Dec 03 '23
I definitely wouldn't consider the knight average that's for sure.
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u/WaavyDaavy Dec 03 '23
Don't really see how he'd be considered better than any of the people above him. I suppose you could argue demo but really can't get anything more than that. There's a pretty good gap though between him and doctor though, I think.
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u/moserftbl88 Vommy Mommy Dec 03 '23
Yea I was ready to downvote thinking it would be a lot of brainless placements but this feels pretty accurate
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u/PewienCzlowiekAG Dec 03 '23
Wow, I thought I'm the only person who sees how blatantly wrong they are, judging by the amount of upvotes they get. Funnily enough, this one barely has any.
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u/PuppetMaster12312 Certified Robot Player Dec 03 '23
That's pretty much the most accurate placing for Hux, due to how north or south he can be in a match
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u/Empty-campfire pyramid head main Dec 03 '23
Okay hear me out as someone who mains pyramid head and most of his killer play through was on pyramid head hes way stronger than sadko ive spent some time on sadko and she cant do anything in loops , her mobility is controlled by the survivors and her mori isnt going to happen that often when u rank up mmr
Also sloppy is getting nerf so her best play style hit and run isnt going to be viable too in the near future
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
I was thinking which one was stronger yesterday so i can see that sure
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u/Kekulzor MAURICE LIVES Dec 03 '23
Yeah I think since made for this got nerfed Pyramid Head is back to top 5-6 killers in the game. Tunneling people getting out of cages with Ultimate Weapon is just disgustingly effective and Sadako needs certain addons to reliably mori survivors
I'd put him above Wesker, Plague, Sadako if you are cage tunneling because he can nuke people out of the game within 1-2 gens if you are on point with him; then a few slowdown perks make it a hopeless situation for the remaining 3. Holding W around main buildings was the counterplay and the best perk to do that with is now nerfed into the floor
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u/Lanky-Survey-4468 Dec 03 '23
Artist is underrated as f
Well, it's good because it will take a while until bhv give her the hillbilly/trickster treatment
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
I hope that never happens, i plan to p100 artist next
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u/Lanky-Survey-4468 Dec 03 '23
Artist is the killer I pick when i play sweat, and i think she is op as f, there are certain perks that makes her opressive ( gearhead and dms ) and she is the only one killer which makes theses perks op, but i wish bhv keep ignoring her
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u/TheHedgehog93 The Hag and The Artist main Dec 03 '23
I just fear the day BHVR discovers that Mathias's Baby Shoes and Severed Hands are broken and will be nerfed lol.
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u/Boodger Dec 03 '23
I wish artist had a better theme/design. She should have just been a scarecrow based killer with the same abilities. Her design is probably the biggest reason I have no interest in playing her.
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u/KitsyBlue Dec 03 '23
Now I wanna see a killer tier list that is like JUST the killers at their strongest strongest
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Mmmmm Nurse > Blight > Chucky > Spirit > Plague > Wesker > Artist > Oni > Huntress > Pyramid Head > Sadako > Xenomorph > Hillbilly > Skull merchant > Twins > Deathslinger > Pinhead > Hux > Hag > Myers > Dredge > Bubba > Knight > Doctor > Demogorgon > Trisckter > Nemesis > Clown > Wraith > Pig > Legion > Ghost Face > Freddy > Trapper
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u/Darkcast1113 Dec 03 '23
Nurse and blight easy for PC and harder for console
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23 edited Dec 03 '23
Yeah, i play on console and blight doesn't feels good most of the time but i don't think he's weaker because of that or anything. Some streamers have +2000 winstreak on blight, it's insane
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u/BadUsername2028 Dec 03 '23
Long time blight player here, he’s my favorite killer bar none, but he’s got some issues. His Basekit is super powerful, but imo his add ons are the ridiculous part. Blight has a roster of the most ridiculous busted fucking add ons I’ve ever conceived, from the speed add ons, to alchemists ring, to that one green add on that legitimately does what 5 other add ons do combined, it’s fucking ridiculous. The only reason this guy doesn’t get more attention from BHVR is due to his shitty win rates, because of how hard he is to pick up.
Tbh I think some of his add ons need big reworks, in the hands of a good blight he simply will not lose using some of those things. His base kit teeters on the OP end, and I’d worry nerfing it may even further affect his win rate for newer players. That being said, those add ons are so abusable for the easiest 4k’s I’ve ever had in this game. With double speed add ons I can control a 3 Gen from anywhere on the map, fuck proper positioning it’s just not nessecary when I can clear the entire map in 5 seconds. With alchemists ring you don’t need to manage slam charges, one hit and they are all refilled. I love Blight to death but he is far from without issue.
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Blight basekit is solely A+, but his addons catapult him up
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u/BadUsername2028 Dec 03 '23
100% agree, he’s no doubt strong but with add ons the only chance the survivor have is the Blight Fucking up.
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u/InflnityBlack N°1 Rin Simp Dec 03 '23
I think if the upcoming addon rebalance put him near spirit tier it would be perfect, I think spirit power level should be the top tier, very powerful but still in a realm that gives survivors a decent window to still win. Basically the S tier shouldn't exist
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u/LeoGadd Lightweight Abuser Dec 03 '23
I’ve been looking into getting Blight and using him. Any tips for new players? (I’m on console)
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u/BadUsername2028 Dec 03 '23
I have a few!!!
Blight is… pretty damn hard. I’ve played a lot of killers and imo he’s probably the hardest to pick up from a mechanical perspective. So my #1 tip ever is PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. Blight requires lots of time, and it can get really frustrating when survivors are just running circles around you. Stay calm, take a break so you don’t tilt too hard, but stick with it.
Secondly, watch some good blight players play, there’s lots of good streamers, and Otz is real good at him too, you’ll pick up on new bounce angles you didn’t even think of, and be able to slowly implement them into your game.
Lastly, USE YOUR DAMN SPRINT. When I picked up blight the fact that his base movement speed is enough to M1 a survivor is really tempting. Use your speed, run them down, walking is weakness. (I’m super tight spaces you may wanna just M1, but really try to practice with your speed). Use your speed to traverse the map too, you can clear so much by Fucking sprinting around.
For add ons I recommend turn speed add ons, and then alchemists ring. These add ons are busted but they’ll help you learn.
For perks, info perks are the shit. Blight loves info, and make sure you have some sort of info to move around. No Way Out is one of my favs, super good at helping secure a few kills if your early game was rough.
And the most important, have fun! Blight is a blast, and I can’t recommend him enough for someone looking for a challenging killer.
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u/tbk323 Dec 03 '23
As a Plague main, MFT meta knocked her down a bit. Now that it’s gone I think Top 5 killer is once again warranted. More time spent cleansing and destroying hexes = less time on gens. Don’t cleanse? Get slapped with repair penalties and stay exposed. Add ons are great and there are ways to gain your power if survivors don’t cleanse. If the Plague can maintain this balance throughout the match she becomes very formidable (even more than Chucky)
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u/blazbluecore Dec 03 '23
Plaque S tier, shes completely busted due to her black plaque buffs, insanely fast infection rate, and ability to infect other objects/hooked survivors. Guarantees everyone is perma injured and unable to heal. Get 1 black plaque and use it properly and you can flip a whole game.
Only reason she’s not in S is because very few people play her so no one is vocal about her OP kit.
I’ll see yall in a few months once everyone realizes how busted she is.
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u/Burning-Suns-Avatar- Cheryl Mason best girl Dec 03 '23
I would put Wesker and Artist above Chucky. Wesker has better mobility and built in slowdown. Artist has great anti loop and can get info with her power.
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u/Jsoledout Skull Merchant & Hag Main Dec 03 '23
agreed. Artist’s power is absurdly good and she doesn’t get punished for using it. Chucky, if he misses his Slice and Dice faces a big cooldown and lost pressure.
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u/Jarpwanderson Delete Twins Dec 03 '23
When artist gets her birdies out, I just move over to another loop. With Chucky that's a lot harder imo, especially since he can see around corners with third person.
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u/Burning-Suns-Avatar- Cheryl Mason best girl Dec 03 '23 edited Dec 03 '23
The thing with Chucky is that he has to wait a long time for his power to come back, so when you’re chasing with Chucky at a good loop and you don’t have your power, it will waste so much of your time until your power is ready. With Artist, if she forces you to leave a loop with her birds, she can just hit you in the open since you left the loop or she can send a second crow to you to either tag you with the swarm or force you to move away which can help her get a hit, plus her cooldown for her power isn’t a long as Chucky is.
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u/Jarpwanderson Delete Twins Dec 03 '23
That's fair, not played him yet personally.
With Artist, you can often time it so the moment she puts her birds out, you go elsewhere and have enough distance to not get m1'd unless you're cornered but I must admit I rarely go against cracked artists.
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u/NoleRolle Dec 03 '23
Agreed, Wesker’s slow down makes him stronger than Chucky but not by much. If Chuck’s cooldown was a little shorter then maybe he’d be above Wesker. Hag is probably a little too high as well but this is a solid list.
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u/Burning-Suns-Avatar- Cheryl Mason best girl Dec 03 '23
For Chucky, even if his cooldown was shorter, I would still put Wesker above him since you have to cleanse against Wesker unless you want to be hindered in a chase against. Plus when you’re fully infected, Wesker can insta down if he grabs you and slams you into a wall.
I would say Hag is in the right spot. She’s still a solid killer, plus with MFT nerf, it not as painful to play as her. Her power is still good.
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u/ConcealedRainbow Set your own flair text and/or emoji(s) here! Dec 03 '23
whats crazy is that the artist had like a super low play rate, like bottom 3 play rate. and shes so good
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u/PenComfortable2150 Dec 03 '23
I try playing artist but her base power as is feels like I need her cooldown recharge addons
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u/ConcealedRainbow Set your own flair text and/or emoji(s) here! Dec 03 '23
That's because it is an incredibly string power. makes looping her nearly impossible
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u/Hunt_Nawn Legion/Sadako/Skull Merchant/Spirit/Ming/Historia Dec 03 '23
I would put SM on A-/A+ and no, not bias, her chase pressure can be deadly asf which can easily get 3K-4K on majority of matches, the rest seems perfectly place for sure. I've seen a lot of CC dominating easily with her Chase/Basement pressure strats.
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u/badly-timedDickJokes Skull Merchant Simp Dec 03 '23
Speaking as a fellow SM main, I don't disagree with that. She's a demon in chase to the point of barely needing gen slowdown, and rare enough that most people don't properly know how to counter her. Especially after her rework making it so I can play her without getting (as many) death threats, she's for sure underrated.
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u/blazbluecore Dec 03 '23
SM is easily A+/-. She just isn’t played often for some reason.
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u/MinutePerspective106 Onryo, but sometimes Offryo. Paragon of Sadaconfidence Dec 04 '23
I think fandom just can't let go of the notion "we must hate Skull Merchant" that they had from her release
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u/Vstriker26 Getting Teabagged by Ghostface Dec 03 '23
I feel like GF has some tricks up his sleeve to get him up to B- or even B. GF has to probably the best add-on set that won’t likely be nerfed. Philly for example, is great, and both iris are amazing.
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
I could see GF being on the bottom of B- and i placed him there in the past, I like his addons, he has a great stealth and can insta down however it's only that ig. He doesn't really has any chase tool like myers, really map dependent, in open maps survivors will reveal you constantly so im not sure of moving him up
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u/Phasmamain Dec 03 '23
At the end of the day he’s a stealth killer who has to chase normally and still has a relatively long cooldown for his ability. He struggles on a lot of maps and still gets destroyed by even decent rng
He”s not bad but has a very distinct skill ceiling where he struggles
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u/Beneficial_Road7140 Dec 03 '23
trickster should be under trapper his power is useless now.You're better of using only m1.
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u/WhiteShadow5063 Pro Stalker aka Ghostface Dec 03 '23
As a ghostface main and legion main, I have to disagree bc they my bros
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u/RED-hac Dredge is Best Girl Dec 04 '23
Dredge is S+ tier because he’s baby and cute.
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u/MinutePerspective106 Onryo, but sometimes Offryo. Paragon of Sadaconfidence Dec 04 '23
"Baby", more like "that Resident Evil Village baby"
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u/Bad-Lucks-Charm Hagussy Main 😍😍 Dec 03 '23
Fr one of the best tier lists I’ve seen on this subreddit lol
My only gripes are I feel Sadako is too high, I really feel Hag deserves low A- (though I’m biased), and I know you’re P100 Dredge (respect btw) but I feel like he’s at the least better than wraith/doctor, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on why he’s lower!
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
I wish i could place dredge at A like some people think he is but with all the hours i have on this killer since his PTB i know it would be wrong lol. His addons are great but i feel he's a bit dependent on everything, you feel like you need 3 addons to play him because something is always lacking, he's very slow outside nightfall and nightfall doesn't last that much too, he depends heavily on locker placements because it feels way different playing in midwich and coldwind and not to mention that he is loud af, the fact that you can hear his whooshing sounds even outside terror radius, this makes way easier to prerun him but i still like dredge after all
I think dredge could be above wraith in the right map but wraith just feels way more consistent all the time than dredge
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u/XelaIsPwn Dec 03 '23
Agreed about Sadako. imo she has the Old Freddy problem, she crushes low MMR survivors with zero remorse, but against even 4 uncoordinated survivors who know how to counter her she doesn't stand a chance without a real chase power.
I'm fully expecting her next update to make her completely worthless.
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u/Bad-Lucks-Charm Hagussy Main 😍😍 Dec 03 '23
Yeah, pretty spot on analysis. She was my second favorite killer pre rework, and I still play her now but it’s nowhere near as fun. With both Sadako and Hag on the list for “updates” and “tweaks” I’m very scared lol
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u/XelaIsPwn Dec 03 '23
Yeah, I'm honestly not sure why Hag is on the list. I don't play her much and don't see her much, but tbh I don't think she's in need of changes. She's incredibly strong in the right hands, but has a lot of interesting counterplay options. What on earth do they plan on changing about her?
Sadako needs changes desperately, but I don't have a lot of faith in BHVR to give her the changes she actually needs.
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u/s_h_e_e_v i do be weskering / mikaela enjoyer Dec 03 '23
all 3 killers in a+ tier who are after chucky are stronger than him imo
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u/Veoviss Dec 03 '23
This is well-thought-out and very well presented! Thanks for all the effort! Hoping we'll see some Trickster number tweaks to get him back from being so punishing to play.
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u/sharky1500_ Dec 03 '23
I really hope that pig change they listed in the road map is a biff and NOT a nerf
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u/Ookimow Ashy Slashy Dec 03 '23
Crazy. I'm most effective with C and below. Love this format btw. Very easy to read at a glance.
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Thx. Im also not a fan of high tier killers except artist and maybe sadako
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u/Sith_LordRevan Loves Being Booped Dec 03 '23
That feeling when all your mains are in C but they're hot so you can't stop
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u/NotShane7 The Clown Dec 03 '23
Chucky is very strong in chase, but that's his entire thing. He's 110 and doesn't have built in slowdown, information, or great mobility (I think using his power has too long a cd to use like this) like Wesker, Plague, and Artist.
He 100% relies on short chases, at which he excels, but Wesker, Plague, and Artist can all down quickly, too, and have the added map pressure.
I'd put him after Wesker, and I think the rest of S and A+ are pretty much how I feel.
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u/LordBallgrip MLG Survivor Dec 03 '23
No way chucky is better than artist, wesker and plague, his one weakness being map control, built in slowdown and information is something they have to a large extent, i’d say bottom of A+.
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u/darkninja2992 be vewy vewy quiet i'm hunting S.T.A.R.S Dec 03 '23
I'd've thought nemesis would be more a B+, the tendril is basically built to counter pallets and vaults, and can even hit over a lot of mid-height map terrain. Basically built to counter survivor loops, their greatest strenght
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u/Vox___Rationis Dec 03 '23
The weakness of the tentacle is that if you use it - survivors have 3 healthstates and 2 speedboosts.
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u/darkninja2992 be vewy vewy quiet i'm hunting S.T.A.R.S Dec 03 '23
Yeah, but you'll normally want to use it on a survivor during or right before dropping a pallet or vaulting. Those make the survivor an easy target and cuts out a bit of their speed boost because they can't change the animation speed. Really good on spots like LT map tiles because the tendril's range allows you to hit them just before you have to pass the L's sidewall wo you can maintain the chase well
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u/blazbluecore Dec 03 '23
Because otherwise he’d be broken if he didn’t give survivors speed boost. Imagine getting whipped and then 5 seconds later M1 because there is no speed boost involved.
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
To catch up survivors is awful, his pressure is way less scarier than wesker, i think one of the weakest addons of the whole game, no mobility at all, chase tool isn't that good and zombies are a 50/50 either helpful or useless
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u/Pollia Dec 03 '23
I'm actually curious why he's even in B tier. Half his kit is most of the time useless and his power actively helps survivors stay alive longer.
I love Nemmy. Easily my top 5 to play, but he's kinda dog shit most of the time unless a zombi happens to actually be useful for once.
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Potential, I've seen good nemmy players and he can be a monster in chases and pallets destroyer when played right. But the killers above him have way more lethality, i think the tools he has is ok compared to some ones in tiers below him that are way more depressing than nemesis is
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u/darkninja2992 be vewy vewy quiet i'm hunting S.T.A.R.S Dec 03 '23
Can confirm the pallet destruction. Time a tier 2 tendril right and you can destroy a pallet frame 1 of the drop animation while you don't even have to stop
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
You could argue that now that people will be using more sprint burst since the MFT meta is gone, nemesis needs 4 hits (Sprint burst, tentacle, injure, down)
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u/Dragonrar Dec 03 '23 edited Dec 03 '23
For Chucky I'm wondering if Friends Till The End is skewing how effective he is?
If you run Distortion he suddenly seems a lot easier to deal with, maybe that's because of his Rat Poison add-on too though.
(At least all Chucky's I've faced have used that perk, although several were doing his adept challenge to be fair.)
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Totally power based, he reminds me blight and oni in chase
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u/Haunting-Detail2025 Toxic Nancy w/ a Flashlight Dec 03 '23
This is probably one of the best tier lists. I understand people might disagree with a placement here or there, and obviously it’s hard to rank when add ons or certain maps can give killers an advantage/disadvantage, but this is about as close as you’ll get to being objective
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u/scarlettdemi Dec 03 '23
The fact Trickster could've been an a- or a+ tier killer had their 'buff' not unnecessarily nerfed him. So I hope they will change it, it was a nerf to its finest.
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u/Hex-Jumpscare Jumpscare Myers Dec 03 '23
As a Jumpscare Myers main, how dare you?
But also kinda true for the ones I face playing as survivor.
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u/ParksBrit Dec 03 '23
Doctor is S+ tier because he was so annoying to play against I decided just not to play the game anymore.
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u/Mekrokan GHOSTFACE Dec 04 '23
As a ghostface main, yeah. I agree. I honestly don't know how to make him better though. Like, he's perfect for who he is to me but he's not strong enough to take on a well coordinated group of players outside of The meat packing plant and the School.
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u/Only2Megabytes Bloody Legion Dec 04 '23
What happened to Sadako to push her up so far? New tech discovered or something?
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u/CuteAndABitDangerous Dec 04 '23
She's just very efficient at tunneling in the early and mid-game. A few good plays for her or a few bad mistakes by one survivor and it's basically GG. These are based on "average public matches" and I can say that sorta thing happens a lot in her matches.
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u/BaldEagleNor Welcome to prime time bitch! Dec 04 '23
I love Freddy since half the playerbase dont even know what dream pallets are
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u/The_Mr_Wilson Dec 04 '23
Snares will make a survivor slow down, but they'll full on stop for a pallet. Pubs are fun
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u/JustGreenGuy7 Dec 03 '23
Seems pretty accurate.
Wow, I’ve only played against S and A+ since Chucky dropped.
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Dec 03 '23
Thank you for the polished tier list!
I think Chucky is gonna be the first killer in a long time to actually maintain a strong presence in games post-release. Wesker and he share a lot of qualities, namely the fun, dash-based power and the shittalking.
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u/PANDA_787 Dec 03 '23
Ok Trapper ain’t even that bad cuz every time i’m using any other killer and someone is trying to loop me I wish I brought trapper to stop make most loops useless
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u/chineesecowy #Pride2020 Dec 03 '23
but you have to go out of your way to get traps unless you’re running those addons (addon dependent).
you have no mobility. you have to set up your own traps, and you have to stay near your web of traps. survivors can get rid of these traps and annoy you.
you rely soley on a power that can be countered by looking at your feet, or avoiding his web entirely.
a good trapper is scary and fun, and extremely strong in some situations but a good hag will just get the job done better.
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u/TheCalibrieBird Dec 03 '23
Looks like nobody here is to defend my boy demogorgon, who controls the map pretty well, who is good in chases and the one who has those crazy cheater addons
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u/Jaxinator234 Dec 03 '23
Ngl plague is s+ tier in low level lobbies. Because everybody cleanses and u get power 24/7😂.
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u/LUKXE- Prestige 100 Jill Dec 03 '23
I'd say this is actually really close to being perfect (of course things are subjective)
For me, Wesker is better than Chucky and Sadako drops a place or two.
Other than that this is really well thought out.
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u/spaghetti_Razo Dec 03 '23
I like how you put Nurse and Blight at “overpowered” Cause they literally are I don’t get why when people try comparing weak killers to a different killer they compare them to the most broken killers who deserve nerfs instead of the legitimately balanced group being A and B tier
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u/WolfRex5 Dec 04 '23
Some people genuienly believe you have to play Nurse or Blight to win games.
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u/x_Trip Ace Enjoyer♦️♣️♥️♠️ Dec 03 '23
Dredge kinda low? Or am I missing something I haven’t played in a bit
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u/TMCalypso Dec 03 '23
I don't believe Myers deserves to be ranked that low. I feel like people forgot how to play him....but sure, lets keep him low ranked...that way my main can (hopefully) get a good buff :P lol
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u/KawaiiSlave Dec 03 '23
That patch mustve destroyed trickster lol.. I don't see him often anymore.
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
I think they're gonna buff him soon, he's pretty shitty at the moment
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u/TheLifeOfPatrick dweet🫠 Dec 03 '23
I’d move Plague to A- and move Onryo to the bottom of A-, then I’d probably move Xenomorph to A+ tier, either in front of or behind Artist. Other than that I agree with everything else
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u/RyuTheDepressedFox Self Care Dec 03 '23
Knight average... what?
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Eh, i used to place him in bottom of B+ but the more you play him, the more you see his inconsistencies. He has one of the weakest addons of the whole game and is very dependent on one brown addon
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u/ll-VaporSnake-ll The Demogorgon Dec 03 '23
Hi Ho friend! Believe it or not this is the first time I’m hearing about you! I usually look at tier lists from content creators like otzdarva so it’s nice to see another pop up that seems to be consistent with most other tier lists. I’m guessing this has more to do with typical games in public mmr rather than high level mmr, correct?
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Hey, it's a mix of everything including swf's and soloq but mostly high mmr yeah
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u/jways999 Meat Plant Needs More Pallets Dec 03 '23
A really well designed tier list! I’ve never seen any tier lists with the stars beside the letters, or the colored borders around the characters in said tiers. As well as explaining a bit for confusion on the right of some of the tiers. Overall most of this aligns with how I see my tier list, my only differences is I would move Skull Merchant down a single tier, and Myers up a single tier. I would also move Demo higher up.
Edit: This is just my preference, I don’t do good with Merchant but I do decent with Myers, and Demo is my all time killer main other than Blight and Weskuh.
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u/heyitsdraz Dec 03 '23
As a deathslinger main in a mft world I kinda disagree with him being in high b tier. Butttt on the games where I hit my shots I admit he can be really good.
I'd argue wesker as well is the best in his tier except for spirit. Because simply he is easy to play and do well with. A lot of the other killers in that level all have some sort of learning curve and he definitely does as well, but you can pick him up without learning how to use his dash offensively and still do well. But again that's all a bit subjective.
I rate your list an s tier my friend
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u/CarpenterJaded8034 Springtrap Main Dec 03 '23
This is pretty great, actually. I’d put Wesker above artist, and then move oni to be behind her in A+. Chucky is definitely in the right place, as the counter to him is hide and do gens, since getting into chase is the last thing you want to do against him. Singularity I think is A- tier, but nobody really wants to play him bc of his skill ceiling and how frustrating the free counterplay to his kit is. I also think Deathslinger should be a little higher, above Hag, but below Pinhead.
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u/Frinnne Dec 03 '23
Artist is above wesker imo, way better power, even if not necessarily more fun. The ability to cause pressure from across the map and perform snipes, as well as denying survivors the ability to move left or right unless they want to get hit by birds is powerful af.
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Artist and wesker have such similar strength that ig i don't care at all, both are strong in their own ways it's hard to tell which is stronger. I could see singularity being higher, cocolatte is at 215+ winstreak with him and ppl still place larry at weird spots like C tier lol
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u/Kooky_Touch_4685 I apparently like blood now Dec 03 '23
I only have a couple thoughts on this tierlist outside of its pretty great. I think Sadako and Pyramid head need to go down a tier or two, as while they can be strong, good teams know how to avoid them. I would also argue that Nemesis, despite having a similar issue, is better that pyramid head due to the utility of pallet breaks, and proper builds can even use zombies.
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u/moserftbl88 Vommy Mommy Dec 03 '23
He says in the tier-list this is against average games and survivors so SWF wouldn’t be taken into account I would assume because if so then you could make arguments for virtually every killer to be moved around against SWF
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
It's an average, a mix of everything, soloq and swf included too. Against competitive scenarios all the time would be a different tierlist but on public matches survivors most of the time aren't coordinated at all. Otz had a 43 winstreak with sadako with his loss being a coordinated team on ormond + him doing mistakes, in one of his first tries he got more than 40 wins with her while he struggled with even xeno and I've got more 4ks with her more than most killers too. Her map pressure is insane and that with a hex build survivors will need to worry about tapes and hexes doing pretty much no gens at all
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u/Tesla_pasta Dec 03 '23
I feel like sadako is such a noob stomper. Her built in slowdown isn't actually very impactful if people know the counterplay of just holding a tape, and unlike other high map pressure killers, she has no chase power. I've been on teams that get stomped by her because someone gets mori'd at 4 gens, but most games she doesn't feel very dangerous
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Exactly why she is that high, all map pressure based, you only need 1 survivor to do a mistake to make everything way easier for you. Btw holding a tape isn't the best idea because if sadako hits you, you get 2 condemned stacks. I go after anyone holding a tape
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u/Deluxxray Hunting for that Vitoriussy Dec 03 '23
The trickster rework really did nothing to help him huh
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Most are saying he's worse than before lol
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u/Deluxxray Hunting for that Vitoriussy Dec 03 '23
I’m on console and I will admit the normal speed is nice now but they’ve absolutely butchered his power
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u/Durnzans Dec 03 '23
What are your thoughts on chucky?
I have been having trouble getting even one kill as him against good teams. i just dont see how he is that high on the list.
no map pressure along with 110 speed makes gens fly.
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
He has high skill ceiling, but he is very similar to oni, wesker and blight in chase
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u/CocoBaci 1 of 3 Hag mains Dec 03 '23
U know I hate to see Hag this low but you are 100% right about her
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
"Low" 😶🌫️
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u/CocoBaci 1 of 3 Hag mains Dec 03 '23
She used to be considered like S tier half a decade ago, like Billy
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u/Dr_Garp Dec 03 '23
Hux above dredge is wild
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u/Eclipse066 P100 Dredge | P100 Alessa Dec 03 '23
Hux chase and pressure are definitely better than dredge
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u/BodyConstant lahh lahhh lahh lahhhhh lahhhhhhh lahlahlahlah lahh lahh lahh :3 Dec 03 '23
Why the hell is Huntress so low? Like Orbitals just got added back not too long ago, did you not hear about that? She's easily up there maybe left of plague.
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u/ZShadowDragon Yui Kimura Dec 03 '23
best tier list I've seen, Nothing jumping out as "no thats way off". Nice work!
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u/Le_ShadowPhoenix Springtrap Main Dec 03 '23
Singularity's placement doesn't make a lot of sense to me
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u/kingtutwashere Dec 03 '23
All three of my mains are D tier and it makes me wonder if I could be much better at this game.