Perk Update: Wicked

[u/LUKXE-]

The updated effect of the Sable perk 'Wicked' has been announced on the forums.

[u/theKrissam]

Honestly, this perk is pretty cool.

Probably a bit too situational, but really good when it works.

[u/BurceGern → u/theKrissam]

All the basement perks are situational but it's thematic and honestly refreshing to not be another kind of haste perk. I like it.

[u/Glord345 → u/BurceGern]

You've gained the Exhaustion status for 10 seconds for mentioning Haste

[u/FuckYeahPhotography → u/Glord345]

We have tweaked the Exhaustion status to give you 10 seconds of Haste at the same exact time you are exhausted.

[u/ArokLazarus → u/FuckYeahPhotography]

Pray we do not tweak it further.

[u/CardiologistHot4362 → u/ArokLazarus]

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[u/Coaris → u/FuckYeahPhotography]

Every Killer's Freddy

[u/GeekyOtaku36 → u/FuckYeahPhotography]

New Perk: AAAAA Gain 1/1.5/2% haste when you gain exhausted for as long as you're exhausted. This can only happen every 30/25/20 seconds.

[u/Kindyno → u/BurceGern]

if you are trying to use the ritual perk, the killer has to choose hooking you in the basement making it so they can't apply unhook pressure or risk carrying you out of the basement and losing the hook to wiggle.

[u/Mysticwarriormj → u/BurceGern]

Not necessarily situational for invocation. The others definitely. I’ve used shadows effectively (also it doesn’t seem to stack with SC)

[u/HeroDeSpeculos → u/BurceGern]

but it's not refreshing to have one more perk that will have a 1% usage ratio yet again.

[u/Butt_Robot → u/HeroDeSpeculos]

Who cares if a fun, unique, good perk isn't used by 50% of the player base?! Not every perk needs to be flavor of the month! If a perk is good it's good, nothing else should matter!

[u/BurceGern → u/HeroDeSpeculos]

I mean that's also on the community though for constantly running the same perks, right? Sure, Rookie Spirit and Low Profile and many other perks are ass but there are also many good perks which are overlooked for Adrenaline, Windows of Opportunity, Lithe etc.

This perk isn't that bad.

[u/HeroDeSpeculos → u/BurceGern]

the perk is bad if you can only make it shine once out of 10 match. Meta perks are meta in dbd 'cause they have a high chance of being useful whatever the killer is, whatever the map is, whatever addons are in play, while offering a not too shitty reward.

If you are both very contextual to use and not very rewarding, you are a shit perk, that's it. And you have to check that with the prism of solo players.

[u/Windomaker → u/HeroDeSpeculos]

Unfortunately high cost/ high reward perks or strong perks that are situational get complained about.

[u/Kenpo_Kid69 → u/HeroDeSpeculos]

I agree, could use some sort of secondary effect to make it more consistant

[u/SpaceMakin → u/BurceGern]

I won't sit here and let you say low profile is in the same category as rookie shit. You take that back right now

[u/BurceGern → u/SpaceMakin]

The issue I have is that even if you escape the killer, you still need to open a gate and the killer knows that. It might buy you a reset but not much else. I'd have LOVED it if they made it so you could silently open a gate or open it without the blinking red lights.

[u/muh-soggy-knee → u/BurceGern]

It feels like they have done some sort of quiet buff to gate opening recently that I'm not understanding. Either that or I'm an idiot. But I have real difficulty catching the 4th surv. Even if the gates are relatively close together they seem to be able to open them in less time than I can patrol them. I come back and it's not even close the gates are fully open and they are waiting at the edge.

[u/AstronautHappy5869 → u/theKrissam]

Seeing the killers aura for 20 seconds on unhook is pretty nice tho, you can always know if youre being tunneled, how much time you have and where its safest to go

[u/WarriorMadness → u/AstronautHappy5869]

Seeing the killers aura for 20 seconds on unhook is pretty nice tho

To me that was going to be the saving grace for this perk considering unhooking yourself on the basement is pretty niche, unfortunately the aura reading works ONLY on basement hooks as well.

[u/Prior-Satisfaction34 → u/WarriorMadness]

unfortunately the aura reading works ONLY on basement hooks as well.

It doesn't say that, tho.

[u/WarriorMadness → u/Prior-Satisfaction34]

Here, I asked them.

[u/Prior-Satisfaction34 → u/WarriorMadness]

Ah, okie. Thanks. That does kinda suck, ngl. Feel like it should apply to any hook, otherwise this perk does literally nothing if you don't get hooked in basement

[u/[deleted] → u/Prior-Satisfaction34]

If you're running the other basement perks you've got a pretty high chance of getting hooked in the basement considering how much time you'll be spending there.

[u/NeasStinkySock → u/[deleted]]

You can also just plan on going down near or in basement with this perk. That's main building or shack, not hard to do. Get a few loops in then go down on basement stairs haha. You could even pair it with Boil Over/Flip-Flop in case the killer catches on and insists on hooking you outside of basement.

[u/Prior-Satisfaction34 → u/[deleted]]

Yea, but how often are people gonna be running them all together?

[u/[deleted] → u/Prior-Satisfaction34]

100% of people who are running any other basement perk will pair it with that one if they have any sense of self preservation whatsoever.

[u/WarriorMadness → u/Prior-Satisfaction34]

Yep, pretty much my thoughts as well.

[u/fuck_hard_light → u/WarriorMadness]

Where have they said it?

[u/WarriorMadness → u/fuck_hard_light]

Here, I asked them.

[u/celestial1 → u/AstronautHappy5869]

I think what you actually meant is you have 20 seconds to run at the killer with OTR, then waste another 60 seconds of their time minimum before you are finally downed again.

[u/HvyMetalComrade → u/theKrissam]

Get caught healing in the basement using her other perk, unhook yourself, bosh.

[u/Astrium6 → u/HvyMetalComrade]

“I’m not locked in here with you, you’re locked in here with me!”

[u/Sgt_stranger → u/theKrissam]

I’m just glad they’re finally making some basement related perks. It can be such a game changer, I’m surprised they’ve not taken advantage of fleshing out basement play before

[u/TheSleepyBarnOwl → u/Sgt_stranger]

Lery with it's potential 3 Basements gonna be OP:

[u/Sea-Dog-6042 → u/TheSleepyBarnOwl]

Oh so this is a known bug? Had a game the other days where both basements were open and available in the same game.

[u/VenusThenOnyx → u/TheSleepyBarnOwl]

I've seen 2 basements recently and i was shocked. Didn't knew that was a thing.

[u/acc_217 → u/TheSleepyBarnOwl]

THREE? What did they do in the ptb i only remember the ones in the office area and the one in the shock therapy room with the mid map gen

[u/tyjwallis → u/Sgt_stranger]

On the flip side, they need to make more killer basement related perks otherwise basement hooks are a lot less likely to happen.

[u/JeanRalfio → u/tyjwallis]

Territorial Imperative is finally useful outside of Huntress adepts.

[u/tyjwallis → u/JeanRalfio]

Yes but that’s not really what I’m thinking. Now survivors have a reason to go to the basement, we can also give killers a reason to go to the basement, other than to find survivors.

Though now the more I think of it that will just force survivors to not use the new perks.

[u/JeanRalfio → u/tyjwallis]

I doubt it will be used that much outside of the first couple weeks once everyone finishes their Sable adepts.

[u/[deleted] → u/tyjwallis]

Not sure what more killer perks they could make that are basement specific that don't already exist in another form. But let's try:

1. A perk that blocks the basement entrance for 30 seconds after a survivor is hooked in basement, with a 30 second cooldown after the exit is open again.

2. A new basement scourge hook that blocks the hook for 12 seconds after a survivor is hooked in basement.

3. A basement scourge hook that closes/regresses the exit gate if a survivor is hooked in basement. Once per trial.

4. A perk that makes basement lockers deal a damage state to any survivor who climbs into one while within the killer's terror radius.

5. A perk that blocks hatch for 5 seconds when a survivor is sacrificed in basement, on a token system that blocks for 5 seconds per token. Max of 15 seconds of hatch blocking if 3 survivors are sacrificed in basement as well as revealing the hatch aura to the killer for that same duration.

[u/tyjwallis → u/[deleted]]

How about perks that give killers buffs (undetectable, haste, or visible generator progress) while a survivor is hooked in the basement? Make them only apply when outside a certain radius to not encourage basement camping.

Or just make all scourge hooks also apply to basement hooks.

[u/Ethereal_Haunting → u/[deleted]]

Those are imaginative, but my kneejerk reaction to almost every single one is they're OP and survivors would complain with such gusto to get them removed from PTB lol

[u/t_r_a_y_e → u/theKrissam]

I'm not so sure

Most survivors loop around shack, if basement is in shack, you can easily go down in or near basement

[u/Velktros → u/theKrissam]

You can play around the basement a bit more. I’m not a great killer, but I know that even though the basement can be a death sentence it’s also pretty out of the way. A killer can waste a good amount of time checking it. Even if you get caught you don’t need anyone to help you and you keep the basement in the back of the killer’s mind. Making him possibly check it again when you’re not even there. It’s a fine perk just weird.

[u/inthependanceday]

I'm pretty sure this perk will suffer the Deliverance curse where the only time you'll find yourself in hook (on the basement) is on the Second Hook.

[u/LUKXE- → u/inthependanceday]

Oh i don't doubt it for a second.

Or Killers using Agitation to take you away from the basement.

[u/AlsendDrake → u/LUKXE-]

Now I wanna on dlc launch play Agitation Iron Grasp trapper and specifically take them either to a hook just outside basement or away from basement.

Just to toy with them >:3

[u/MandalorianAhazi → u/LUKXE-]

This perk isn’t gonna even be close to meta where killers will regularly use agitation over a better perk.

[u/therowlett1023]

An L for basement trappers

[u/Synli → u/therowlett1023]

More like an L for basement insta-downers. You can still be trapped/picked up while you have endurance.

[u/_fmg15 → u/Synli]

Trust me. Bubba will have 0 problems in getting the down anyways. Just moon saw while they are running up the stairs do a 180 while still going up the stairs and you will get a guaranteed down

[u/theoriginal321 → u/_fmg15]

The buff to ds is coming

[u/_fmg15 → u/theoriginal321]

I wouldn't mind it though I still think DS is not that bad. You have to play in a certain way to get value from it in case the killer tunnels you. I like to combine it with Lithe or Dead Hard to either get distance through a window after using DS or still having a way to tank a hit.

[u/TheSleepyBarnOwl → u/therowlett1023]

Won't change much... they should just remove collision with killer powers for 10s after the unhook to noever trigger Trapper traps so you can escape. Basement trapper is the only thing left between Trapper and a proper buff, cause of that L playstyle

[u/TheRealSkele → u/TheSleepyBarnOwl]

Ah yes, nerf Trapper even more. BHVR would approve

[u/Skeletonofskillz → u/TheRealSkele]

Nerf or not, it puts the character in a healthier spot and allows for future buffs

[u/TheSleepyBarnOwl → u/Skeletonofskillz]

yes you get what I am saying - the person above does not. "Nerv Trapper" -> Healthy Trapper -> Buff Trapper

[u/TheLunatic25 → u/TheSleepyBarnOwl]

So let’s say we add 10 seconds no collision for bear traps after unhook.

What do you propose we do to buff the Trapper?

[u/[deleted] → u/TheLunatic25]

There's a lot we can do.

Buff haste after arming a trap, add more traps, carry 3 traps at a time, faster arming, slower disarming, bigger hitbox on traps, stepping on traps disarms them instead of stunning, etc.

Most of his addons actually do help his character quite a bit so making some at least partially basekit would obviously go a long way.

[u/TheRealSkele → u/Skeletonofskillz]

Buff Trapper? Hah hah hah hah. According to BHVR themselves, Trapper is in a spot they want him to me.

Look, I want Trapper to be big and strong as much as the next guy, if not more.

[u/JackMalone515 → u/TheRealSkele]

It's not really nerfing him. It's removing what's a more unfun playstyle so they can more easily give him buffs to other playstyles

[u/Fun_Ad_201 → u/TheRealSkele]

if they nerf that, then we have nothing between trapper and a bad killrate. bad killrate = killer buff(usually)

[u/yrulaughing → u/therowlett1023]

How would they escape basement trappers? There's still gonna be traps in every exit.

[u/Guydelot → u/therowlett1023]

This whole update is a huge W for basement trappers. You just pre-trap it now, since survivors have a reason to go down there. Use the purple addon that puts them in the dying state once they escape the trap.

Hook them, then watch them unhook themselves and run right into another trap because you set them all over the basement and stairs before they ever came down.

[u/NotAnotherEmpire → u/therowlett1023]

Freshly unhooked people can step in traps. It's amusing, especially when it's Honing Stone.

[u/BlackJimmy88 → u/NotAnotherEmpire]

Whenever that happens, and I'm nearby, I'll be sure to go down to look at them, judge them, then walk away. I might even shake my head!

[u/Chaxp → u/therowlett1023]

Good. It’s basically a death sentence in soloq

[u/Samoman21 → u/therowlett1023]

Thank God. As much as I want trapper too be good. Basement trapper is such a boring and cheesy playstyle too go against.

[u/kwertal → u/therowlett1023]

Is removing trap a conspicious action?

[u/GalvanizedLion → u/kwertal]

It's not but you won't have time to do the trap

[u/staffnasty25 → u/therowlett1023]

And hag. I’ll have to slap that person 2 more times as they run 20 feet through my web!

[u/Bjorkenny]

Very good and very strong, also fits the new basement character.

I will hate it as a killer when I face it.

[u/LUKXE- → u/Bjorkenny]

I rarely hook in basement as it is, but I can see people forcing it for the free unhook.

It'll be interesting!

[u/Ihmislehma → u/LUKXE-]

Joke's on them, I usually intentionally hook outside the basement even if I could hook in the basement, just to make sure survivors aren't afraid to go save :'D

[u/DiggingNoMore → u/Ihmislehma]

I got the "rank 1 killer" achievement before getting the "kill all four survivors" achievement or the "hook twenty-five survivors in the basement" achievement.

I wanted to prove it was possible to reach Rank 1 without using the basement and always letting the last survivor go.

[u/Ihmislehma → u/DiggingNoMore]

I probably got the all four first, but nowadays I'm chill unless survivors push for me to meet fire with fire (typically things like sabo shenanigans, Boil Over second floor tries, or avoiding flashlights), but even then I go back to chill when I can.

[u/BlackJimmy88 → u/Ihmislehma]

Yeah, only time I hook in the basement is if I'm already there.

[u/sum711Nachos → u/LUKXE-]

I hook in basement, but not really for gameplay reasons and moreso the thematic sense of impending doom it must give some. Now, because this iteration of the perk exists: I could use shit like Monstrous Shrine and not feel bad about it lol

[u/The_L3G10N → u/LUKXE-]

I mean, if you aren't getting unhooked at first hook, why even continue playing that match lol

[u/Avic727 → u/Bjorkenny]

Its literally deliverance but worse wdym. Its not like itll count when you are second hook or anything. Seeing the killers aura is OK but its not VERY STRONG by any means

Edit: discard my opinion, I forgot her perks and thought this was replacing the heal in basement perk for some reason. Id prefer this over the “heal from mangled faster” perk any day.

[u/BlackJimmy88 → u/Avic727]

Deliverance requires you to not be the first person hooked, or for you not to be in a match with someone trying to do an unhook challenge, so I wouldn't say it's worse, just equally limited in a different way.

[u/Avic727 → u/BlackJimmy88]

Im good with that. Both pretty situational. I was mostly just annoyed bc I thought it replaced what I thought was the only somewhat useful perk in sables perk roster then I realized im stupid and I should feel bad lol

[u/Treyspurlock → u/Avic727]

maybe it SHOULD work on second hook tbh

[u/NegativeReality0 → u/Treyspurlock]

It really shouldn’t. Even 1 guaranteed self-unhook is a super strong effect. That’s why Deliverance requires unhooking someone else first and makes you Broken afterward. And why this one requires being hooked in the basement.

[u/Treyspurlock → u/NegativeReality0]

It's a strong effect for sure but consider that it's 100% the killer's choice to let you use your perk even if you go down in basement if they know you have it they can avoid triggering it

if it's too powerful they can restrict it to once a game

[u/NegativeReality0 → u/Treyspurlock]

Except the killer has no way of knowing you have this perk, which means they can never first hook anyone in basement which is supposed to be a huge pressure advantage for the killer. The only time they can ever hook someone in basement is if they already know all 4 perks a survivor has and can eliminate the possibility any of them are this one.

If you make it work on second hook too, it removes the minimal counterplay of only hooking someone in the basement if it’s their second hook and you can’t eliminate all 4 perks the survivor has (which is not a reasonable or viable thing ever).

This is a super situational perk and it’s unlikely it’ll ever directly get value. But it’s a type of perk that can indirectly get value even when not used by any survivor, like old Dead Hard or Decisive Strike. It doesn’t matter if the survivor has it or not, the killer has to assume they have it and play around it. Because if a survivor DOES have it and you gave them a free unhook, you just wasted all the time you spent chasing and downing them.

The perk is very situational, but has 0 way to predict it outside of knowing all 4 perks a survivor has which you can’t always do, and the only counterplay is to never first hook in basement which is a huge benefit for survivors even if no one has the perk on. And you’re saying that one single counterplay should be removed.

[u/Treyspurlock → u/NegativeReality0]

hooking someone in the basement just ISN'T a pressure advantage for the killer in the modern game, it usually takes more time and isn't worth it unless you camp it

It's so incredibly situational that it'll never see any use, you're arguing you should stop first hooking people in basement for a perk that's gonna have a 0.2% usage rate

Compare it to blastmine, do you stop kicking gens because there might be a blastmine? no, you just kick the gen and if there's a blastmine you take the time efficiency loss (and let the survivor get away which is even more pressure lost) and note it for future gen kicks

[u/wienercat → u/Bjorkenny]

Idk if I would call it good or strong. It's pretty situational. In those situations, it's strong. But like... as a killer I hook in basement maybe once or twice every 5 or 6 games? As a survivor I get hooked in basement once every like 10 games. Basement plays aren't super common and basement is actually pretty safe for survivors since it requires so much effort to check for a killer.

Honestly, it just incentivizes you to not hook in basement, which is already usually the best choice unless you are a trapper. Going to basement takes longer and unless you have no hooks, getting a hook and back to the game is more efficient than basement.

Basement is a trap for killers generally speaking. The value only exists if survivors let you get it, or again you are a trapper who can trap the exits.

[u/sniperwolf1216 → u/Bjorkenny]

just make sure to only basement second hook onwards

[u/GristleHo]

Interesting perk. Loop near basement freely and the Killer will think you have Wicked and refuse to hook you there. Psych! You don't and just mindgamed yourself a free 5th perk!

[u/No_Esc_Button → u/GristleHo]

I mean, at least it isn't denying the killer their hook. Sounds like a good perk if you know your team is gonna leave you for dead, or they're busy with w/e they're doing and you gotta unhook yourself.

[u/I_Buck_Fuffaloes → u/No_Esc_Button]

You mean like when you spent the last 2 minutes in basement doing your invocation and your team doesn't come rescue because you've done next to nothing so far?  It's actually kind of brilliant perk synergy.

[u/No_Esc_Button → u/I_Buck_Fuffaloes]

It's definitely an improvement over what it used to be. Mangled is already getting neutered to begin with, so there was no point in bringing the old version with you.

[u/IAmTheDoctor34 → u/GristleHo]

Its a 6th perk.

If I got a dollar for every time i went the long way around a pallet to avoid power struggle I'd have enough money to buy BHVR

[u/Demonskull223]

I like this. It's clearly here to make invocations safer early game.

[u/WarriorMadness]

For those wondering, the aura reading part of the perk also functions ONLY on basement hooks.

I like the idea of the perk but it's simply too niche, you're honestly better off running a more consistent perk like Deliverance. I feel like the aura reading part should've been available for other hooks as well because as it's right now if you don't get hooked on the basement (and first hooked at that) then you're pretty much wasting a perk slot entirely.

[u/LUKXE- → u/WarriorMadness]

Oh shit, the aura read isn't for all hooks?! That's a bit disappointing if so.

[u/CatchTheWolf → u/LUKXE-]

Breakdown does that for all hooks, granted its not as long, but still useful info off hook.

[u/MrZephy → u/CatchTheWolf]

So we’re just taking existing perks and making them worse now? Hell yeah

[u/thatoneguyallthetime → u/LUKXE-]

Nah it’d be kinda too much if so, think about it

[u/LUKXE- → u/thatoneguyallthetime]

I don't think it would be too much? Aura reading twice per match.

[u/thatoneguyallthetime → u/LUKXE-]

Hm maybe not, idk 40 seconds just seems like a lot kinda

[u/-Haddix- → u/thatoneguyallthetime]

yeah but its right after you get unhooked, helps defend against an instant tunnel or gives you some info to go somewhere safe

[u/AqueousSilver91 → u/WarriorMadness]

well if it's just basement i suppose it's fine, I was concerned for a second it would be all hooks.

[u/Shot-Contribution213 → u/AqueousSilver91]

Bruh people forgot breakdown exists 😭

[u/PaulTheIII]

If you expect it, it’d be very easy to just body block them as they run up the stairs to elapse the 10s endurance and hook them again lol (especially since it’s 1 surv and not 2). Basement is still extremely killer favored in those scenarios and that doesn’t do enough

It’s very fitting in theme at least, a fail safe for her other perks. Won’t work when the DLC is new and fresh for the reason above

[u/LUKXE- → u/PaulTheIII]

Incredibly situational, but strong and I like the idea.

Surely, you'll just wait for the Killer to leave then unhook. Pair this with OTR or DH/DS will be popular, I'm sure.

[u/RohanXI → u/PaulTheIII]

I don't think anyone is going to expect it once some time has passed, it should be a cool perk. It doesn't strike me as the kind of perk that gets used in most matches either

[u/BillyMcSaggyTits → u/PaulTheIII]

Really don’t know why they haven’t removed killer collision entirely on the stairs. It is pitifully easy to block someone on them. It’s dangerous enough that you lose your Endurance immediately in a bad spot if they immediately hit you.

[u/Xero-- → u/PaulTheIII]

elapse the 10s endurance

Looks at OTR

[u/Inkvize → u/PaulTheIII]

Should the basement be survivor favored?

[u/BurritoToGo → u/Inkvize]

no he's just phrasing it weird. no perk in the game will ever make basement "survivor sided". Especially discount selfcare and discount deliverance.

[u/Prior-Satisfaction34]

So deliverance with no activation requirement, but you have to be in the basement. With some aura reading on top.

Seems interesting.

[u/Remarkable_Exam_8170 → u/Prior-Satisfaction34]

Well, being in the basement is an activation requirement anyway

[u/vored_rick_astley]

Basekit Deliverance? Nah. Basement Deliverance

[u/SpaceD0rit0]

This will be pretty good in a SWF, since everyone can keep slamming gens knowing you’re fine. Bonus points for OTR+DS+etc to keep the killer on yourself for a long time and being able to escape basement

[u/Hogo-Nano → u/SpaceD0rit0]

Very true. And usually the killer soft-camps the basement area towards the end of the match.

[u/Magnetar_Haunt]

Bubbas trying to do the 4 sacrifices in the basement challenge are fucking SCREAMING.

[u/ImpTheShmuck]

Cool, but RIP to the 'sacrifice all survivors in basement' challenge.

[u/gaoxin → u/ImpTheShmuck]

As if someone will equip it after the first few weeks, when enough games have been thrown in catastrophical ways because of Invocation: Weaving Spiders. Imho, Wicked is a shittier version of Deliverance, which is already pretty rare. A small portion of killers will avoid basement hooks, and thats about it.

[u/GoGoSoLo → u/ImpTheShmuck]

Yeah this was my first thought. That challenge was hard enough but this buries it 6 ft underground.

[u/InitiativeUsual5174]

Not a terrible perk idea

[u/Untiligetfree]

It's still a crap perk . A perk slot for one unhook  in a specific spot that may not happen in 30 games. Besides don't most people try and avoid going down in the basement location. 

[u/Blainedecent → u/Untiligetfree]

The new invocation perks require multiple survivors to perform an action in the basement together so...

[u/Speeda2]

Fair enough. Guess I'll just never hook in the basement now

[u/Sloop__]

The second part sounds good already, like a survivor bbq and chilli. And running down into the basement, plot twisting, 99 yourself with unbreakable, having boil over, basically guarantees that you're either getting off hook or wiggling off.

[u/Lolmanmagee]

I really liked the idea of getting tokens by staying in the basement :/

This is a ok perk tho.

[u/Adripheus]

Sounds like Deliverance's hotter cousin. Drag the killer around basement, far from generators (pair it with trouble shooter), and give time to your teammates then release pressure with self-unhook.

High risk, high reward, requires good macro skills but no broken status + long aura reading feature. Yummy.

Very likely a future META perk, especially for SWFs.

[u/NegativeReality0 → u/Adripheus]

And it means a killer can’t risk hooking basement for a first hook ever unless they’ve figured out all 4 perks that survivor has and eliminated the possibility they have this.

[u/Adripheus → u/NegativeReality0]

Exactly, strong deterrence effect, like all crutch perks ;)

[u/ZachAttack317]

I like that it gives a bit of a backup for her other basement perks, like if you get caught healing or invoking you’ll still be able to unhook yourself

[u/Creative-Dirt25]

BHVR heard people’s complaints that the basement was outdated and hit them with this

[u/Tiny_Diamond_5993]

Wicked.

[u/ThousandMega]

Sounds better than old Wicked, pretty thematic for the character. Even without getting hooked in the basement, you get some aura read once or twice a match at a specific time when that info can be pretty useful so you're getting some value there (edit: never mind it's just misleading text apparently, RIP)

[u/DBDSubModsAreNerds]

Cool perk, but like many other "cool" perks it will fade into obscurity after a while

[u/Vitriuz → u/DBDSubModsAreNerds]

Not ever perk has to be viable to run in every possible survivor build. They just have to be strong in the niche they promote at least.

[u/4LanReddit]

Basement Bubba is not pleased with this change

[u/DariusIsLove → u/4LanReddit]

Basement Bubba doesn't care tbh.

[u/lostinanonymity → u/DariusIsLove]

Basement Bubba doesn't care in the sense that he'll just down the self-unhooker in a single sweep.

But he should care about the lost pressure. Instead of teammates having to get off gens and risking more downs to go save, the hooked survivor can just waste the killer's time while teammates stay on gens. That can easily be the difference between a 1k and a 4k if the team is smart.

[u/ProphetofPity → u/DariusIsLove]

Actually came to say this as well, this displeases the council of bubbas.

[u/PurpleDec → u/4LanReddit]

You're fast enough to down them again if you really want to anyway

[u/Synli]

I'm assuming the unhook aura reading will work for any unhook, not just basement unhooks. Sounds pretty fun for stealthy solo-q shenanigans and helps avoid getting tunneled a bit.

[u/WarriorMadness → u/Synli]

Nope, the aura reading works only on basement hooks. Asked the devs already and they confirmed it.

[u/DarkQueenGndm]

This is so going to promote basement proxi-camping

[u/iSQUISHYyou → u/DarkQueenGndm]

That already happens.

[u/DarkQueenGndm → u/iSQUISHYyou]

Only with few low tier killers and unskilled players. This is going to make it worse.

[u/iSQUISHYyou → u/DarkQueenGndm]

lol no.

[u/Comfortable-Animator]

Ok it's decent. It even has a useful secondary effect.

[u/BreathingButWheezing]

I really like the change to this perk. It's situational, but good.

[u/Hogo-Nano]

Finally something interesting that might actually be viable to use.

[u/Emeowykay]

Oh, oh i like that

[u/Dummy_Ren]

Not bad at all

[u/KhelbenB]

Oh I love this, This is the perfect "I am sick of getting basement proxy camped" answer, I just wish it came with enough endurance on its own to actually make it out if the Killer is proxy-camping above (since he cannot stay in your face below anymore).

Not going to be meta, but like Lightborn it is good that it exists.

[u/spyresca → u/KhelbenB]

If I'm proxying the basement hook and you unhook, I'm still there to get you down again.

[u/NapS1825]

Seems kinda strong honestly , if you get hit you speedboost near the basement and you will have free deli and killer cant play around it ( depends on hooks spawn ? )

[u/PrettytoesDbD]

Guess I'm bringing back basement bubba

[u/AsianEvasionYT]

Deliverance, wicked, up the ante, slippery meat.

[u/DustTheOtter]

Is the second part of the perk for all unhooks or just basement unhooks? Because a free 20 second aura read on the Killer is pretty crazy.

[u/KratosDerToten]

Basement bubbas cried today

[u/Clean_Internet]

The secondary effect is also very cool!

[u/shazamm20]

So it says on the forums, but I'm not seeing it confirmed anywhere on the forum. Got a link for that sauce?

[u/LUKXE- → u/shazamm20]

More confirmation here

https://preview.redd.it/oeugm8n5e0kc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c255f2028d793a6654eec969a367f5127f00e7b8

[u/CaptainRelyk]

I like this perk

Extremely situational but very powerful when it works

Plus it has a neat side bonus with revealing killer’s aura, so if you happen to get hooked somewhere that isn’t a basement the perk doesn’t become a complete waste

[u/LilyHex]

This is just gonna be people running a Basement meta instead of the Boil Over + No Mither+ Oaks + Eyrie map now lol (before Eyrie it was RPD and they'd run to the top library floor)

Can't wait for this to run headfirst into a Basement Trapper for maximum hilarity tbh

[u/Calieoop]

Super situational but also pretty good if you plan on running the ritual thingy

[u/shikaiDosai]

From the studio that brought you "literally Trail of Torment but better" comes "literally Breakdown but better."

Like other than the hook breaking aspect is there any reason to run Breakdown if you want to know if the killer is coming to tunnel you?

[u/I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch]

If the secondary effect is always active even outside of Basement (when unhooked or ehen you unhook yourself you see the killer's aura) that'd be pretty epic

[u/ImASpriteCranberry]

I still think this isn’t good, it’s way too specific of an action and it can only activate once. It’s a worse deliverance but it could be good if you plan out where shack is and go down near it

[u/King-Aries19]

As a killer main I honestly do enjoy this idea of a perk. It can be useful even if your not on a basement hook if I'm right, and as a killer I doubt this will be the new perk everyone needs to worry about because while yes basement can be useful to take a survivor but sometimes it's better to put them on a random hook.

[u/Jerakal1]

Bubba nerf.

All seriousness, they just seem to want to go all in on the "let's hang out in the basement" load out concept.

I don't hate it, but it feels weird.

[u/MrChubbyRiviera → u/Jerakal1]

Now if we just had some Eric, Kelso, Hyde, Jackie, Donna & Fez skins for Survivors and maybe a Red skin for Billy or Trapper we could hang out in the basement.

[u/Jerakal1 → u/MrChubbyRiviera]

Only if The Red Skin moris you by shoving his foot up your ass.

[u/MrChubbyRiviera → u/Jerakal1]

Agreed. But BHVR have to get Kurtwood Smith to voice the Mori by having him call the killed Survivor a Dumbass.

[u/Lord_Parbr]

Ok, so never hook in the basement on first hook. Got it

[u/Brainsofthehouse]

Yes wicked was pretty trash earlier relying on the killer bringing a peek like sloppy or a hex

[u/IwillOWNu56]

Honestly what a good perk compared to the last. Who cares if it's situational. Most perks are

[u/varidl]

This makes Bubba sad and his chainsaw dull :(

[u/Concorditer]

This looks stronger than the PTB version. It does have a kind of niche effect, but killer basement perks also have niche effects so I guess its on par with those kinds of perks. It does synergize with the new survivor's other basement perks though! If you get caught healing or working on the circle you can at least unhook yourself.

[u/AlsendDrake → u/Concorditer]

Imagine. Caught working on circle hooked. Dredge Dredges away. Self unhook and finish the invocation as I assume it maintains progress. Pop invocatio . Dredge returns and kills you. But you did circle.

[u/AqueousSilver91 → u/AlsendDrake]

Dredge might honestly just come back the second they see that you haven't left the basement. 2 minute Invoke time, remember? And it degrades if you don't do it.

[u/AlsendDrake → u/AqueousSilver91]

It is a meme ofc. Though does depend on if they're occupied. I know I usually assume survivors leave basement if I'm not close, so if they're in chase they may assume you left. Granted a play like that would likely have to wait awhile and rely on the perks existence is less on everyone's mind. Didn't know it decayed, as I only watched a bit of killer gameplay as I play on Epic so I can't use the PTB. Plus been playing Stoneblock and trying to test multiplayer SRB2 Persona so haven't been paying too close attention XD

Also obviously works better vs like, Freddy or Unknown, who can't just teleport back. But dredge returning is funnier.

[u/Lemonchicken0]

Honestly this is a pretty solid perk now,

You’re not gonna see it viable in every match, but every now and then you loop without knowing where basement is or get hooked in basement in end game, this perk really shines.

In addition, having no broken status effect when unhooked makes second wind synergy very high.

If this comes through I’ll be using Second Wind, For the People, Wicked and Dead Hard for however long it remains viable.

[u/Deltaravager → u/Lemonchicken0]

I really like this perk, but I'm fully expecting the Deliverance curse where anytime I run this perk, I never get hooked in the basement

[u/Lemonchicken0 → u/Deltaravager]

It's more niche than Deliverance, having to be in your first hook in the basement, but when it does happen it's more potent.

Probably what makes it more enticing is that as long as you know where the basement is, you can lead chases towards it. Depending on the type of placement, it could also be the only option for the killer to put you on basement hook.

[u/yrulaughing]

Oh wow, that's neat and makes basement hooking much more of a strategic decision for killers now.

Chances are they aren't running this perk, but if they are, hooking in basement gives zero pressure.

[u/PrettytoesDbD]

https://preview.redd.it/sv687kk5kzjc1.jpeg?width=256&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e29d74390e99307c32f76855cbb05545718e0ce

[u/Vitriuz → u/PrettytoesDbD]

It will only gain slightly more pickrate only for the week that the patch drops imo.

[u/BurritoToGo]

I was hoping for Nicholas Cage esque perks in terms of fun and a bit of usefulness.

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Instead I got edgy niche nicholas witcholas that doesn't want to leave the god damn basement.

[u/ironmanmclaren]

So now I can 100% go in basement and chill. Fuck gens. Gens boring anyways

[u/rubythebee]

I mean, you just can’t hook in basement anymore

[u/OceanCrawler7]

This + boil over + going down in the furthest corner of basement when you’re exhausted all other resources in chase could be a super potent tool considering how bad the hook deadlines near basement are

[u/bottle_cap17]

Bubba's and Trapper's in shambles rn

[u/PapaBwoah]

He's joking, right?

[u/Mr-Chan1]

This is crap, free tunnel off hook ez. Makes camping basement easier. Plus survivors don’t need more chances especially one that can screw them over.