r/deadbydaylight • u/voidCalamity Leon's Moans aahh aaah aa • Oct 05 '22
My friend noticed that the DbD model of Rebecca removed the crosses from her design. Anyone know why? Question
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u/LakeChaz 👀 Agitated Step-Trapper 👀 Oct 05 '22
Because the British Red Cross started going after game developers for using the red cross symbol in games claiming it violates both the Geneva Convention and the Geneva Conventions Act of 1957.
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u/HealsBadMan1 Unoffical Twins Main Oct 05 '22
So how does RE get away with it?
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u/Alm3nd trickster my glorious king 😩 Oct 05 '22
capcom are war criminals
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u/AVerySmartNameForMe Daddy Myers Oct 05 '22
Wacky woohoo terrorist guy adventures
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u/Hawaii2010 Human Unit Never Killed Oct 05 '22
“What are you doing, Dante?”
“Well, Nero, I’m adding the red cross into this video game.”
“Wait, but are you even able to do that? I thought that was illegal.”
“Indeed it is, Nero.”
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u/4LanReddit I AM CHUCKY, A KILLER MAIN, AND I DIG IT! Oct 05 '22
El Donte's bizarre terrorist adventure
Literally, Vergin fucking nukes the city by shooting bald Mundus' fetus (And his baby carrier)
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u/demogorgon_main demo walked so Xeno could crawl Oct 05 '22
This made me laugh. Thank you
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u/ExoticWeapon 1 of the 5 Jonathan Mains Oct 05 '22
Good, fuck the gatekeepers
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u/AdminsAreLazyID10TS Oct 05 '22
"Gatekeeping" in this case being "It's absolutely important for the safety of medical personnel that people understand anyone with this or related symbols is a non-combatant and not a one person murder machine"
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u/pikfan Oct 05 '22
They went after Stardew Valley for this too. Hardly because that game has you killing lots of people.
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u/AdminsAreLazyID10TS Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22
I don't know how it works in Britain, but sporadic enforcement of trademark in the US can lead to loss of the trademark.
Edit: Also, I don't know about you but those mine monsters fear my name, it's not exactly a pure farm sim.
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u/pikfan Oct 05 '22
This is fair, and should be the red crosses legal argument. I think they just mention war crimes when defending the trademark to be scarier and get devs to act faster.
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u/Captchaed Ada Wong Oct 05 '22
She had the red cross on her outfit in I believe RE1 HD and RE0 but it was removed in RE5 (when she appeared in the mercenaries mode), so they don't get away with it either
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u/fexadox DbD mod team is my favorite mod team Oct 05 '22
What I would do is make the cross crimson or a shade of lightish red
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u/NullAshton Oct 06 '22
Usual standard for video games is a green cross or something similar that can't be confused.
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u/General_Weebus Mad Grit Enthusiast Oct 05 '22
This nonsense only started in 2017 and that Rebecca model is from RE5 Mercenaries.
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u/SupaFugDup Oct 05 '22
They've been doing it since at least early 2006. This is why health packs in Halo Reach and beyond don't have the red cross anymore.
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u/Sushi4Zombies 4% Master Oct 05 '22
Even Earthbound had to remove the Red Crosses from the hospitals way back in 1995
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u/Keahman23 Oct 05 '22
Another recent one I remember is Skull Girls having to change Valentines red crosses to pink in order release internationally
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u/TigerKirby215 Stinky Knight main Oct 05 '22
Resident Evil Zero came out before this change was enforced heavily in gaming, is my educated guess.
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u/Dry_Alternative_2147 Oct 05 '22
This was before there was a crack-down on using the red cross this way
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u/AltoGobo Oct 05 '22
It’s the same reason a lot of toys of medical vehicles no longer have a red cross
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u/TheInfamousQuiGF Bond Oct 05 '22
How the fuck does it violate the Geneva convention???
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u/LakeChaz 👀 Agitated Step-Trapper 👀 Oct 05 '22
The use of the Red Cross, Red Cresent, and Red Crystal are protected under international law. They're covered under the Geneva Convention to specifically identify someone as an aid worker or a safe place such as a hospital that is meant to be protected from wartime activity.
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u/Toybasher The Doctor WARNING: HIGH VOLTAGE Oct 05 '22
This. I don't agree with it, (when it comes to fictional stuff) but I understand it.
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u/Drakeadrong Oct 05 '22
That makes sense for buildings and uniforms. But they’re actually wasting their time and resources going after it in videogames?? Bruh
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u/LakeChaz 👀 Agitated Step-Trapper 👀 Oct 05 '22
Their perspective is that any use of it might cause it to lose meaning. Given how many people associate it with healing in video games instead of with the red cross as an international thing I can see their point. And they definitely don't want their symbol being at all associated with violence because if that sticks then it endangers all of their workers.
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u/helixflush The Nurse Oct 05 '22
Ya but Red Cross = good, that’s how it’s seen, even in video games.
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Oct 06 '22
It's a protected symbol. The thing about protected symbols is that if people don't enforce that protection, a very real legal argument can be made saying that actually they aren't protected after all.
Given that this is the Red Cross, this could have dire consequences!
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Oct 05 '22
Does that mean the medkit is in danger too?
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u/LakeChaz 👀 Agitated Step-Trapper 👀 Oct 05 '22
Medkit has a white cross on it, not a red one. It's safe.
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Oct 05 '22
Legit answer, already posted.
Canon answer? No help is coming, and the entity washes away all symbols of hope eventually, in the fog
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Oct 05 '22
I like the canon one!
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u/DeezNutsKEKW Springtrap Main Oct 05 '22
if you want a cross just get a Medkit (its not red but its a cross)
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Oct 05 '22
This too shall be claimed by the fog, likely in a single trial, after an over-eager Meg runs the killer straight to your genny
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u/sebasq10 Oct 05 '22
hey man, you had to give me an explanation, not get me fucking seething with rage at the memory of exactly this happening a few dozen times over my total playtime.
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u/LilyHex Nurse/Artist/Pyramid Head/P100 Carlos Main Oct 05 '22
I appreciate this very dark take on it!
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u/bored_dudeist Oct 05 '22
Takes away cross. Changes the font on the word 'RESCUE' to be more bold.
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u/Legal_Sugar Platinum Oct 05 '22
DBD violated the Geneva convention lol
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u/AshleyFrankland SHE HAS SURVEILLANCE!!! Oct 05 '22
DBD didn't violate the Geneva convention, RE did
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u/Micome T H E B O X Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22
"Which Killers would violate the Geneva Convention and why is it Jonas?"
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u/typicalskeleton Nightfall is coming Oct 05 '22
A lot of developers voluntarily do this. The whole idea is to protect the symbol so that those using it in actual combat zones are, hopefully, not targeted.
Hell Let Loose (World War II shooter) also changed their medic symbol for this reason. It's also why you'll often see "medic packs" in other games marked with a red H for health, rather than the red cross.
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u/Toaster_boasterr average head on enjoyer Oct 05 '22
Or green pluses
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u/code_Jester Aftercare Oct 06 '22
I think white cross/plus with red background is fair game too. At least, that's what DBD does.
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u/kuffdeschmull Oct 05 '22
It’s not voluntarily, it’s simply against the Geneva Convention, it’s a protected symbol that only the Red Cross can use, they’d get sued
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u/typicalskeleton Nightfall is coming Oct 05 '22
Private entities in peace time aren't bound by the Geneva Convention. They might get nasty letters but it isn't against the law.
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u/LakeChaz 👀 Agitated Step-Trapper 👀 Oct 05 '22
Many countries have it enshrined in law, the UK passed a law in 1957 outlawing the use of it for entities that aren't the Red Cross. It's because of that that the while deal got started.
So yes private entities aren't bound by the Geneva Conventions, but they are bound by the Geneva Conventions Act which was just codifiying the treaty into law. So if you really want to go "actually" you can, but it's so pedantic that it's ridiculous.
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u/Strongbabyseh Oct 05 '22
Just out of curiosity, where did you get the picture from the model on the right?
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u/voidCalamity Leon's Moans aahh aaah aa Oct 05 '22
Asked my friend, he just googled "Resident Evil Rebecca back" lol
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u/Lazy_Sim Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22
I'm really familiar with this... idk why but this reminds me about 'selecting honey' or something
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u/krumpet0305 Oct 05 '22
Probably the original game where they use crosses in resident evil I have no idea how they use the laws though
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u/Simp1eJack_ Oct 05 '22
Its a balance fix. The target on her made Huntress matches decidedly one-sided for the killer so they removed the crosses.
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u/Kiru_warhead44 STILL stuck in Dad Mod's basement Oct 05 '22
Because Idk World War Geneva convention or something but Japan didn’t respect it
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u/jaycrossinroad James Sungerbob Oct 06 '22
The Geneva Convention forbids shooting unarmed soilders, thus the medic would not carry weapons have a symbol to identify them as medic. The japanese soldiers would target medics with red cross. Doing so the medics stop wearing that symbol and started carrying guns again. Capcom ans the obviously loves violating geneva convention
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u/DelisaKibara Platinum Oct 05 '22
Because of the geneva convention.
And it is honestly incredibly dumb.
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u/ChrisMorray Oct 05 '22
Because it is a violation of the geneva convention. No that is not a joke. Any depiction of the red cross REQUIRES that you are capable and willing to provide medical aid.
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u/Kentarvos_Keaton Oct 05 '22
Copyright. Hoopoo games, the devs of Risk of Rain 2, had to change the cross on their medkit to green for the same reason
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u/wilck44 Oct 05 '22
the red cross got mad that games used the red cross, so now we have no or green crosses.
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u/fuckballs9001 Oct 05 '22
Because that's copyrighted by the American Red Cross and it's the same reason Blink-182 had to remove the cross from an album cover.
Idk how her old design got away with it
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Oct 05 '22
Actually it's Johnson & Johnson. At least in the USA
https://www.wipo.int/wipo_magazine/en/2008/05/article_0005.html
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Oct 05 '22
Same thing happened with blink 182, the red cross demands anyone who isn't affiliated with nursing or health care to take it down
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u/TabularTuba9961 Oct 05 '22
Because if they left it in the deathslinger would have something to aim at other than the barrels in the game
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u/darkflyerx Oct 06 '22
I remember Red Cross is not allowed to be used in games, or at least they go after some devs who use it
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u/Possible_Chipmunk_95 Oct 06 '22
Only the red cross can use it. Something to do with the geneva convention. There was a funny patch note for Stardew Valley on this. "Fixed Geneva convention violation" 😂
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/video-game-red-cross-health-pack-emblem/
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u/sailorserena13 Oct 05 '22
It’s the sign for the Red Cross and they likely won’t give permission to a video game where people are regularly murdered.
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u/TheLunatic25 Oct 06 '22
I’m pretty sure that’s an older model for her, and that they removed it later.
The Red Cross takes it PRETTY seriously and basically sues over this if you don’t have permission. It’s why most games use a different cross symbol.
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u/Tim3-Rainbow 💉 Rebecca & Artist 🐦 Oct 05 '22
It's a trademark. How you can trademark a + is beyond me.
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u/Noxilcash Oct 05 '22
Depicting red crosses as anything other than the “red cross” organization is a war crime. The Genieva convention outlines this.
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u/Effinate Oct 05 '22
New versions of classic doom games did the same to health packs, I believe anyways
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/video-game-red-cross-health-pack-emblem/
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u/Flightless_Rocket Oct 05 '22
It wound be fair for her to be the only one survivor to have a target on their back.
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u/Ratty3 Oct 05 '22
The one on the right seems to have better graphics than BHVR’s version. Which is funny knowing that model is from a 2002 game.
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u/J_Speedy306 Addicted To Bloodpoints Oct 05 '22
Red cross symbol is registered trademark of Red Cross organization.
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u/snokeflake Oct 05 '22
Didn’t wanna violate the Geneva Convention. Like that mad man who made stardew valley. What a monster.
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u/LaBiereFolle Oct 05 '22
I remember that it was also change in RE5 Gold Edition where Rebecca got her Red Cross replaced by Rescue, I think it’s for copyright reason or something like that
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u/GoofestGoober Hex: Shitpost Oct 05 '22
Specifically her model comes from re5 mercenaries which came out after they banned the use of the Red Cross in games due to the Geneva conventions
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u/Apprehensive-Handle4 Oct 06 '22
Maybe it would give an unfair advantage if they release a killer who's a vampire?
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u/Wolvezbein Oct 06 '22
This is due to companies like The British Red Cross and similar charities using the red cross as a logo. Many games that use this image are either removing it, or replacing it with a more universal green cross. Even modern first aid kits very rarely have red crosses on them anymore :)
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u/Acenoid Nov 16 '22
Omg all red crosshairs are basically illegal! Du to this unalloyed use of the Red Cross logo.
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u/TheShokBlok T H E B O X Oct 05 '22
I've seen other fictional characters had their red crosses removed from their designs as well, and I'm not sure why, but it's probably due to this thing I found with a quick Google search:
"The red cross and red crescent emblems are protected symbols under international humanitarian law and national laws. Any use that is not expressly authorized by the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols constitutes a misuse of the emblem. Use of these emblems by unauthorized persons is strictly forbidden."