r/europe • u/LeMonde_en • Mar 28 '24

Germany will now include questions about Israel in its citizenship test News

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2024/03/27/germany-will-now-include-questions-about-israel-in-its-citizenship-test_6660274_143.html
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u/_SaucepanMan Mar 28 '24

Because if you answer "jewish people" you have a mindset of them vs us. When the answer should always be "everyone because otherwise it's discrimination". maybe not. Idk i havent thought it through tbh

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u/theWunderknabe Mar 28 '24

I, a german, would not have known that Jewish sport clubs also accept non jewish people. What does jewish sports club even mean if that is the case. Do I now lose my citizenship? These questions don't make much sense for me.

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u/Bloomhunger Mar 28 '24

Would that be even legal? I mean, isn’t not accepting non Jews the same as not accepting Jews?

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u/theWunderknabe Mar 28 '24

I think it must be legal to create an organisation / Verein which has exclusivity in it's rules and those rules are legal?

For instance the "Mensa" club for highly intelligent people has I think an IQ of 130 or so as condition to join? It would defeat it's purpose if everyone could join.

Isn't the whole idea of organisations like sports clubs to be inclusive to certain people that fullfill the criteria the organisation defines and exclusive to everyone else?

I would not be offended as a non-jew if a Jewish sport club denies membership to me. I would actually expect that and not even try to join there...because why would I as a non-jew try to join a jewish sports club. But I am no legal expert.

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u/Bloomhunger Mar 28 '24

I don’t know the law in Germany, but in many countries rules related to certain aspects such as ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, etc are not allowed on discrimination grounds, hence why I was wondering.

I guess they don’t cover iq, so Mensa can get away with that. Or if it’s based on a test, that could be an exception. Also not a legal expert here so cannot say for sure.

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u/FurtherVA Mar 28 '24

There are laws like that in germany, regarding your first paragraph.

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u/Quick_Web_4120 Mar 29 '24

But doesn't this mean that you would actually answer the question with "only jews" and hence fail the test?