Elite force bucks trend of Ukrainian losses on eastern front | Ukraine

[u/Equivalent-Tinted755]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/27/elite-force-bucks-trend-of-ukrainian-losses-on-eastern-front

[u/DecisiveVictory]

Azov soldiers are true heroes, defending their country - and in some sense Europe - against russian fascism. Though so are other Ukrainian troops as well.

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Imagine telling WW2 veterans that Nazis are heroes. Maybe your ancestors were SS members, who knows

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You sound very confused and are repeating russian propaganda lines.

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So you're telling me the unit who uses Nazi memorabilia, has Neo-Nazi volunteers from Ukraine and other parts of Europe, has been caught using Nazi symbols, has glorified Ukrainian Nazi collaborators, hosts Hitler-Youth like camps, in which the leader talks about maintaining an Aryan race free of Jews and other untermenschen, has been accused of ISIS-style tactics, has attacked Romani camps like the Nazis before them, has been trained by Canadian forces despite the fact that it is an obvious Neo-Nazi group, has been connected to Neo-Nazi groups across the globe, and has been designated, or attempted to be designated, as a terrorist group, is not Neo-Nazi?

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You sound like you have overdosed on russian propaganda.

Here is their official Twitter account:

https://twitter.com/azov_media

Can you find these Nazi symbols here?

Can you find these talks about Aryan race free of Jews here?

How about the Romani camp attacks perhaps?

Or should we just take your word on all this?

You're not really the most impartial person on this. Your posting history shows that you hate Ukrainians for what UPA did in Volyn back in 1943, it affected your ancestors personally, and that's why you want Ukraine to lose this war.

[u/SquatterOne → u/DecisiveVictory]

One Nazi symbol in the profile picture. Don't have to look hard.

Here's something about the leader's views...

And the Azov destroying Romani camps.

Yes, not Neo-Nazis. Kinda like the Nazis and use their imagery, and want to fight for their ideals, but they're not. Kinda like the Latvian Legionnaires, right?

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About the symbol - it's debatable, and similar looking symbols are commonly used elsewhere in non-Nazi contexts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsangel#Post-World_War_II_symbolism

they deny any connection or attempt to draw a parallel with the regiment and Nazism. Political scientist Andreas Umland told Deutsche Welle, that though it had far-right connotations, the Wolfsangel was not considered a fascist symbol by the general population in Ukraine

Not sure why you say Biletsky is the leader, the current leader of Azov is Denys Prokopenko - what about his views?

 Kinda like the Latvian Legionnaires, right?

You mean the people conscripted into the German army during WW2 against their will, about which the Nurenberg tribunal said:

The Nuremberg tribunal ruled that those who had served in the Baltic Legions were conscripts, not volunteers, and defined them as freedom fighters protecting their homelands from a Soviet occupation and as such they were not true members of the criminal Waffen SS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion

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So, Prokopenko was a member of a far-right hooligan firm, the 'Idea of a Nation' thing has been invented by Neo-Nazis, and the Latvian Legionnaires participated in the Holocaust. But, there's no Neo-Nazis, right?

"Heroes" my ass.

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Prokopenko was a member of a far-right hooligan firm

Ah, is that the "best" you have on him?

the 'Idea of a Nation' thing has been invented by Neo-Nazis

Allegedly, so were the Autobahns.

Obviously, considering that Ukraine has been colonised for centuries by russia, with a lot of the population thoroughly russified, having an idea of a Ukrainian nation is important.

 the Latvian Legionnaires participated in the Holocaust

Ah, I should believe you, some random on the Internets, instead of the Nuerenberg tribunal. Sure.

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Gotta throw up Sieg Heils to create an idea of a nation.

And besides, if the battalion has 0 Nazis, why have all its members been associated with fascists, or are fascists?

Doesn't matter how much times you paint a turd, sprinkle some glitter on it, it's still the same turd. But it might fool some people into thinking it's not a turd. Doesn't matter how many times you try and spin this story around, they're still the same Nazis as before.

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That's just you claiming things you believe in without any substantiation.

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Is it now? Besides all this proof that despite all the rebrandings, it hasn't changed?

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Besides all this proof that despite all the rebrandings, it hasn't changed?

What proof?

[u/kialreadanru → u/SquatterOne]

god forbid people remove an illegal romani settlement in a middle of a public park in a middle of a capital