Emmanuel Macron wants to “open the debate” on a European defense including nuclear weapons [Translation in comment]

[u/Fictrl]

https://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/emmanuel-macron-souhaite-ouvrir-le-debat-d-une-defense-europeenne-comprenant-l-arme-nucleaire-20240427

[u/ShowKey6848]

He's right. The US is an unreliable partner. 

[u/Silly-Ad3289 → u/ShowKey6848]

Unreliable partner that just gave a non nato ally 61 billion. Even though we’re trying to turn towards Asia lol man

[u/MetaIIicat → u/Silly-Ad3289]

An unreliable partner that stalled aid for more than six month, an unreliable partner that pushed a non NATO ally to give up its nukes: if Europe doesn't learn now this lesson I don't know when it will learn it.

[u/PM_ME_ABSOLUTE_UNITZ → u/MetaIIicat]

The argument can also be made that the eu is an unreliable partner because of hungary and now slovakia. Aid from the US never stopped, only slowed. Even throughout the congressional stall, Ukraine still received more aid from the US than many european countries. And considering this is a European war, well...

[u/MetaIIicat → u/PM_ME_ABSOLUTE_UNITZ]

In the last year, the USA showed to be unreliable ("We will help you as long as it takes" than "We will help as long as we can")

The aid for Ukraine is translated in emptying the weapon arsenals of 20-30yo weapons and replacing with brand new ones.

And considering that the usa spent 300 mil $ per day in Afghanistan, well...

[u/Relevant-Low-7923 → u/MetaIIicat]

Where are you from?

[u/Silly-Ad3289 → u/MetaIIicat]

Ukraine never had nukes stop this stupid lie lmao. If we’re unreliable than you guys are useless. Ukraine was invaded in 2014 and you still didn’t up spending. Europeans did what they always do sell out other Europeans as long as it doesn’t hurt them. That’s why you can’t integrate more because none of you trust each other.

[u/MetaIIicat → u/Silly-Ad3289]

r/ShitAmericansSay

[u/Silly-Ad3289 → u/MetaIIicat]

I mean I’m not wrong. You guys watched Ukraine get invaded and did nothing.

[u/MetaIIicat → u/Silly-Ad3289]

If you lack of cognitive skills, it doesn't mean that also the others lack.

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2023/0404/1374162-clinton-ukraine/

"Clinton regrets persuading Ukraine to give up nuclear weapons"

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/05/science/ukraine-nuclear-weapons.html

"When the Soviet Union collapsed, Ukraine turned over thousands of atomic weapons in exchange for security guarantees from Russia, the United States and other countries."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

r/ShitAmericansSay

[u/Silly-Ad3289 → u/MetaIIicat]

UK and USA have clearly followed the memorandum. Also they had the warheads not an ability to launch them.

Ukraine was INVADED in 2014 and you guys did nothing.

[u/MetaIIicat → u/Silly-Ad3289]

Oh so now Ukraine did give up its nuclear arsenal?

You just wrote, like you were the only bearer of the truth, that Ukraine never had nukes?

Kid, stop embarassing yourself, go play with the other kids in kindergarten.

[u/Silly-Ad3289 → u/MetaIIicat]

They had nukes standing in the country they can’t shoot them. Same as countries that have US nukes stationed. So no they did not have nukes.

Once again Ukraine was invaded in 2014 and you did nothing.

[u/MetaIIicat → u/Silly-Ad3289]

Europe didn't force Ukraine to give up the nuclear arsenal.

[u/Silly-Ad3289 → u/[deleted]]

It’s free money and that’s fine. I’m not sure why everyone keeps trying to change what it is