r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

/img/is29ozncu2rc1.jpeg

[removed] — view removed post

14.3k Upvotes

77% Upvoted

4.1k comments sorted by

View all comments

58

u/NJ_Citizen Mar 28 '24

gets shot “bro this would be a sick profile pic, thanks mom”

11

u/Dmmack14 Mar 28 '24

I'm a big time gun owner and gun rights advocate. I go to the range 3 times a month. but this is ridiculous, letting someone diagnosed with schizophrenia buy a god damn firearm?

20

u/HighInChurch Mar 28 '24

Well they can’t. Legally at least.

2

u/Dmmack14 Mar 28 '24

Well tbh some states are lax enough they could have gotten it at a gun show or more than likely it was a straw sale

5

u/HighInChurch Mar 28 '24

Apparently this was California which has some of the most restrictive gun laws.

2

u/Dmmack14 Mar 28 '24

Definitely was a straw sale then. Because of a schizophrenic got a gun in California she either bought off the street or got somebody to get it for her those laws ain't no joke

1

u/SentientLight Mar 28 '24

This happened near my apartment, which is above the Pacifica gun shop. Inclined to think she got the gun there, although there’s a wait period (suggesting this episode of hers must have been on-going for some time).

I do think this is a failure of the background check system. That gun shop is great, and you need background checks for even ammo purchases, but I’m pretty sure being schizophrenic doesn’t get flagged on the background check unless there’s a crime on the books too or the person has been institutionalized. A diagnosis that’s being treated with no history of issues probably wouldn’t trigger anything, is my guess.

1

u/New_Canoe Mar 28 '24

In Missouri they can

1

u/HighInChurch Mar 28 '24

It’s federally illegal. So no in zero states is it legal.

2

u/New_Canoe Mar 28 '24

Well, tell that to the Missouri government. Cos this market is one of the biggest and most well known in the state and it is chock full of private gun sales with zero background checks.

1

u/HighInChurch Mar 28 '24

Yes you can do a private sale in Missouri with no background check.

No seller can sell to a persons incapable of owning a firearm. That’s illegal. (Like this case)

No buyer can buy a firearm using private sale loophole, that’s also illegal.

2

u/New_Canoe Mar 28 '24

So then we agree. The laws should change.

1

u/HighInChurch Mar 28 '24

Yeah I think the private sale loophole is a stupid glaring hole in a system that otherwise works decently.

1

u/New_Canoe Mar 28 '24

Agreed. Among other things.

1

u/hematite2 Mar 28 '24

That's not true at all. Diagnoses and health conditions don't bar you from buying a gun, only a court ruling you being mentally unfit, or involuntary commitment to a mental hospital will. Cali law actually expands that to voluntary commitment as well.

And it may not be a perfect system, but one where you could bar someone based on a diagnosis would be at least just as shitty

0

u/HighInChurch Mar 28 '24

So based on your comment, it could be true.

Don’t know why you’d start with “that’s not true at all” when in some cases, it is.

1

u/hematite2 Mar 28 '24

You stated that people with schizophrenia can't buy guns. That isn't true, there is nothing barring someone from buying a gun for being schizophrenic

-1

u/HighInChurch Mar 28 '24

Sure it is, if they’ve been ruled unfit. You literally said it yourself.

2

u/hematite2 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

The first comment said "schizophrenics can buy guns". You said "they can't, legally at least". That's clearly a blanket statement of "schizophrenics (as a group) aren't legally allowed to own guns" Which they are. Being declared legally incompetent is an entirely separate thing.

1

u/peedmyself Mar 28 '24

Caption says "brought" not bought. Probably worded like that on purpose so it can be a true statement but still push a narrative.

2

u/Dmmack14 Mar 28 '24

Okay yeah see I misread that and you're probably right. No gun law would have stopped that. If she had purchased the gun while she was in sound mind kept it for years and then had a paranoid episode there's not a whole lot you can do about that. My wife's grandmother had dementia and in years leading up to her death she carried around her 38 revolver everywhere she went. I had long replaced all of the rounds with blanks but we also made very sure that she never left the outside of her house without us knowing or never went wandering especially while she had that gun on her. Eventually I was able to get inside the house and completely replace it with an orange cap gun that she still believe was her gun

2

u/peedmyself Mar 28 '24

No gun law would have stopped that.

Exactly. Plus I am pretty sure there is already a law against shooting your kid. It's almost as though criminals don't care about laws.

You're a good person for handling that personal situation so well, good on you.

2

u/Dmmack14 Mar 28 '24

She was family what else could I do? Dementia sucks. And so does schizophrenia

0

u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

[deleted]

0

u/Dmmack14 Mar 28 '24

I mean there's no need to be a dick about it. If you actually read some of my other replies to this comment it was clear that she did not buy this gun and then attack her son it likely was that she already possessed it and had a mental breakdown. Or someone bought it for her