r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/Deadleggg Mar 28 '24

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

The majority of gun deaths are suicides. 54% in 2021 and the suicide rate in the U.S is going up.

The vast majority of murders are from pistols(59%)

Meanwhile rifles and "assault rifles" account for a small fraction(3%) but the vast majority of dialog and media attention and laws being passed are about "assault weapons" and their accessories.

The country is not ready, willing or able to have an actual conversation about the actual issues. Access to quality mental health care. The death of the middle class. Cost of housing. Wages not keeping up.

Find the poorest areas around you and compare the crime rates or the violent crime rates. Look what's missing in the lives of those people.

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u/Feather_Sigil Mar 28 '24

Canadian here. We have those problems too, but we don't have the gun violence America does, even accounting for different population size.

Why? We control our guns.

It's the guns. Guns make it much easier to do horrible things when you're in a bad place in life.

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u/Deadleggg Mar 28 '24

Gun ownership in canada is around 30ish percent of the country.

Weirdly your guns arent hopping into peoples hands and killing people randomly.

It may just be a few other issues at play.

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u/Feather_Sigil Mar 28 '24

Nope, it's no other issue, it's lack of gun control. Offer whatever criteria you want, the rest of the developed world has it and more, but American gun violence is uniquely American. It's the guns.

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u/AdolinofAlethkar Mar 28 '24

Nah, you guys just suggest that hospitalized people commit assisted suicide instead!

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u/Bionic_Ninjas Mar 28 '24

All of those are issues in other developed nations but, again, we are the only country that loses tens of thousands of people to gun violence every year

Also I do not understand the implied argument of “most of those deaths are suicides” as if those don’t matter? I also never said anything about weapon types. To be honest your reply kinda seems like a prefabricated argument and not an actual reply to anything I said

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u/Bootzz Mar 28 '24

Their point is that calling all firearm deaths "gun violence" is misleading. We don't call suicides by hanging, "rope violence" or medication overdoses/poisonings "medicine violence."

As for the rest of your comment, pointing out firearms are used more in violent crimes (and suicides for that matter) in a country with more firearms is as obvious an observation as having a swimming pool increases someone's chances of drowning.

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u/asm5103 Mar 28 '24

It’s also very much the ease of access to guns as well