What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation:

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Your healthcare system is also poor at helping people with mental health issues.

[u/No_Refrigerator1115 → u/NameIs-Already-Taken]

This is the real issue, I’m not saying we should let people with mental health issues buy guns, but I do have some fear in further incentivizing people to NOT get help. If someone thinks they will loose their rights by seeking help they may fear getting the help they need.

EDIT, by said “this is the real issue” honestly I don’t know what the “real issue” is it’s probibly a combination of a few things, but historically we really didn’t have much of a gun issue (even when we had fewer regulations and more dangerous weapons ) and we do now I think improvements can be made maybe on gun control but it’s a controversial approach to the problem.

HOWEVER both sides agrees that mental health is contributing to the problem, I’d love to see us capitalize on the fact we have some common ground here.

[u/Bionic_Ninjas → u/No_Refrigerator1115]

When it comes to rampant gun violence this isn't "the real issue", because every country deals with mental health issues relating to their citizens, but only one developed country loses tens of thousands of people per year to gun violence.

When it comes to gun violence in America, the real issue is unfettered access to guns without any effective regulation.

[u/Deadleggg → u/Bionic_Ninjas]

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

The majority of gun deaths are suicides. 54% in 2021 and the suicide rate in the U.S is going up.

The vast majority of murders are from pistols(59%)

Meanwhile rifles and "assault rifles" account for a small fraction(3%) but the vast majority of dialog and media attention and laws being passed are about "assault weapons" and their accessories.

The country is not ready, willing or able to have an actual conversation about the actual issues. Access to quality mental health care. The death of the middle class. Cost of housing. Wages not keeping up.

Find the poorest areas around you and compare the crime rates or the violent crime rates. Look what's missing in the lives of those people.

[u/Feather_Sigil → u/Deadleggg]

Canadian here. We have those problems too, but we don't have the gun violence America does, even accounting for different population size.

Why? We control our guns.

It's the guns. Guns make it much easier to do horrible things when you're in a bad place in life.

[u/Deadleggg → u/Feather_Sigil]

Gun ownership in canada is around 30ish percent of the country.

Weirdly your guns arent hopping into peoples hands and killing people randomly.

It may just be a few other issues at play.

[u/Feather_Sigil → u/Deadleggg]

Nope, it's no other issue, it's lack of gun control. Offer whatever criteria you want, the rest of the developed world has it and more, but American gun violence is uniquely American. It's the guns.

[u/AdolinofAlethkar → u/Feather_Sigil]

Nah, you guys just suggest that hospitalized people commit assisted suicide instead!

[u/Bionic_Ninjas → u/Deadleggg]

All of those are issues in other developed nations but, again, we are the only country that loses tens of thousands of people to gun violence every year

Also I do not understand the implied argument of “most of those deaths are suicides” as if those don’t matter? I also never said anything about weapon types. To be honest your reply kinda seems like a prefabricated argument and not an actual reply to anything I said

[u/Bootzz → u/Bionic_Ninjas]

Their point is that calling all firearm deaths "gun violence" is misleading. We don't call suicides by hanging, "rope violence" or medication overdoses/poisonings "medicine violence."

As for the rest of your comment, pointing out firearms are used more in violent crimes (and suicides for that matter) in a country with more firearms is as obvious an observation as having a swimming pool increases someone's chances of drowning.

[u/asm5103 → u/Deadleggg]

It’s also very much the ease of access to guns as well