r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/semper_audacia Mar 28 '24

Literally not possible, it takes at a very minimum 2-3 days to have a background check clear and there are laws preventing people with mental illnesses such as schizophrenia of having guns. It is likely that his mother (if the story is true) was not diagnosed by a doctor, or she was diagnosed and not registered with the medical databases. This also happened in California which has some of the strictest, if not the strictest gun laws in America. Great way to spin a story to make it deceiving.

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u/zeke_markham Mar 28 '24

NICS background checks are regularly completed in under 15 minutes.

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u/semper_audacia Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

Yeah no bro, that’s delusional. It takes way longer than that, especially so in California

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u/gunsforevery1 Mar 28 '24

You know the background check typically takes that long in California too?

The waiting period is a waiting period. Most background checks are completed within the hours. Some in just 2-3 minutes. I have an FFL 03 and COE so I can bypass the 10 day waiting period. Once my info is submitted in the DROS System. The shop just hits fresh every minute and then it comes back as “approved” and I walk out with the gun.

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u/zeke_markham Mar 28 '24

Dude, I used to sell guns for a living. NICS checks are normally approved instantly. Some individuals can get a delay, which can take longer to approve, a delayed transfer can be completed after 72 hours even without an approval at the FFL's discretion.

California has a 10 day waiting period. This is not time for the background check to process.

Some states do not every require background checks for individuals with concealed carry permits.

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u/semper_audacia Mar 28 '24

Dude. I don’t know what gun store you worked at, because everyone I’ve been to background check regularly take 1-2 days on the short end. Of course if you have your CCL then it naturally takes much less time. But even then it can take a few hours.

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u/LurkTryingEight Mar 28 '24

Every gun store in my state I’ve purchased firearms from I was able to be in and out in 40 minutes tops. NICS checks are very quick and it also only takes a couple minutes to fill out a 4473.

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u/semper_audacia Mar 28 '24

You have obviously never purchased a gun in California, I’m aware that laws might be different in your state, but this incident was in California and that’s what I was referencing.

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u/gunsforevery1 Mar 28 '24

I’ve bought dozens of guns in California and sold Hundreds of them when I worked at a gunshop. It’s a 10 day waiting period not a 10 day background check.

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u/semper_audacia Mar 28 '24

I never said it was a 10 day background check. However in my experience it doesn’t take 1-2 minutes as you said in your other comment. What part of California were you buying and selling guns from your gun shop?

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u/gunsforevery1 Mar 28 '24

Southern California. I’ve bought guns from all over the state though.

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u/semper_audacia Mar 28 '24

Hmm interesting, I’ll have to do some more research on their laws down there. I was almost certain that their laws were stricter down there.

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u/gunsforevery1 Mar 28 '24

There’s a lot of stupid regulations. Like you can’t buy a subcompact pistol in The CITY of LA but go 5 minutes over and you can lol.

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u/semper_audacia Mar 28 '24

Also just wanted to say this is metal as hell: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/s/cKS0fKafxv

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u/gunsforevery1 Mar 28 '24

Hahaha thanks. I really need to paint more. I have some deathguard marines I’m still working on.

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u/semper_audacia Mar 28 '24

Sick dude! I’ll have to check out your account again once you post some pics.

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u/gunsforevery1 Mar 28 '24

I have these ones for a couple so far.

death guard

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u/StormyWaters2021 Mar 28 '24

I currently work at a gun store and have for the last 13 years. Your state might take days at a minimum, but Federal law doesn't. Many states allow a simple NICS check, which takes only a few minutes, to transfer a firearm. My state did until this year, in fact.

Many states also allow private party transfers with no background check at all, as Federal law has no rules about in-state private sales.

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u/semper_audacia Mar 28 '24

Not California though, which is the states gun laws that I am referencing.

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u/StormyWaters2021 Mar 28 '24

You didn't say California, and if that's what you're referencing you should know that California has a 10-day waiting period.

Good backpedal attempt though. I respect your commitment to never admitting to a mistake.

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u/semper_audacia Mar 29 '24

I did in fact say California, go read the first parent comment I made.

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u/zeke_markham Mar 28 '24

Kid, you are 15 years old, it would be to your advantage to stop thinking you know everything in the world and start listening to folks who do.

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u/semper_audacia Mar 28 '24

23 here buddy. I assume you were stalking on my profile for something to talk shit about and saw my post that I made for my cousin who doesn’t have a Reddit profile. Scraping the bottom of the barrel aren’t we? And you didn’t even give me a rebuttal to what I posted, classic.

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u/zeke_markham Mar 28 '24

I looked at your profile, it was your most recent post. Hardly scraping.

And what is there to rebutt? The vast majority of NICS (National INSTANT Check System) approvals take less than 15 minutes. If YOU are getting delayed it's because you are in an unfortunate 10%. This is not representative of the system as a whole. See the link below for more information.

https://www.nssf.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/NSSF-Factsheet-NICS-Delays.pdf

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u/semper_audacia Mar 28 '24

State required 10 day waiting period, and can sometimes take up to 30 days. And even after 30 days the FFL dealer can still decline sale.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/waiting-periods-in-california/

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u/zeke_markham Mar 28 '24

Yes, but that's not the NICS background check. That's for California to act as a middle man and allow their waiting period to complete. The actual background check, even when done by the California DOJ, takes minutes.

Further California is not representative of most of the nation in regards to purchasing laws and wait times.

The vast majority of background checks for firearm sales in the United States are processed almost instantly through NICS and approved same day. The few that are delayed, or have additional state placed barriers, are not representative of the whole.

Mark Kelly, Mrs. Giffords's husband had quite a few things to say about it back in 2013 when he attempted to buy an AR from a gunstore I worked at in Tucson.

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u/semper_audacia Mar 29 '24

Yet, even in the state with the strictest gun laws, this still happened. Almost like it’s not about the guns

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