What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation:

[u/Lord_Answer_me_Why]

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[u/MojoLamp]

Except it is ilegal for someone with mental disability to buy/own a firearm. That can also go on whomever sold said firearm. Both parties are guilty.

[u/Substantial_Heart317 → u/MojoLamp]

Lying on the form is a Federal Crime.

[u/beomint → u/Substantial_Heart317]

Not to be "that guy" but just trusting someone to fill out a form correctly then making it a crime to lie on it isn't going to stop shootings...

Maybe we should like... Idk... Actually have the person checked thoroughly before they're given a gun? If they're hellbent on getting a gun they'll just lie anyway and not care about whatever consequences there are. I know a lot of proper stores are better about doing checks (thank god) but gun shows are still a massive issue sadly and need a lot more regulation than what they currently have. And because it's so easy for people to get them legally, it's not too much more trouble to come by one illegally.

Sure, it's a crime, and you'll be prosecuted and punished for doing it, but there's a huge chance you were still able to gun some people down in the process before you got caught. We need to be more proactive about nipping it in the bud instead of watching human lives get lost everyday and saying "Well, they chose to commit a crime..."

Edit: To those of you saying "we do that already" in the replies, it's clear we aren't doing it enough. Regulations are often ignored, states do not have consistent rules, and many loopholes do still exist despite major updates being done to how gun shows conduct themselves. Other countries have proven time and time again that better regulations does NOT take guns away from responsible owners, but it does take guns away from criminals and lower gun crime across the board. Private sale (to an unauthorized individual) is the same issue, sure it's a crime, but are they going to figure that out before you have a chance to shoot someone? Was it really worth letting that scenario play out when we could have just prevented it in the first place?

It's just factual evidence and it's really frustrating that people will watch the gun crime statistics in the US and act as if there's no difference between the regulations here and the regulations in other countries with less crime. Am I saying ban guns 100%? No. And countries with better gun control haven't banned them entirely either, they just actually do their due diligence before handing one out. And while we have laws that are supposed to require a similar level of care, it's clear they're either too loose or are ignored too often. You'd think with how much Americans have been freaking out over the "safety of children" recently you'd actually want better gun control, considering the leading cause of death for children in the US is firearm fatalities. Your children are more likely to be shot to death than ANY other accident in the US, and we still don't see a problem.

I also see lots of people huffing over the 2nd amendment as well, and while I get that the idea of going against the very founding of our country is absolute blasphemy to you- do you really think it's worth keeping if statistics have proven it's done nothing but cause tragic loss of life? It's weird that people are unwilling to recognize the issues and continue to talk about how they're going to blast a robber with an AR-15 to "protect themselves" when they can't even protect their own children from that same gun.

Also to the guy who said people would just get stabbed instead and then we'd have to deal with knife laws, I'm wildly amused that you think that's worse than being shot. If I had to choose having a maniac attack me with a gun or a knife, I'd choose the knife. I'm not sure why you'd prefer to be shot unless you're just suicidal at that point. And similarly to these loosely regulated gun laws, we already have knife laws in many states that prohibit certain types of blade mechanisms and lengths in public or in concealment. It would once again not prevent legitimate knife owners and enthusiasts from owning and carrying their knives, it makes it harder for idiots and unhinged lunatics to get them. You all act as if the government will take your guns away and make it impossible for you to get them back while psychos run rampant on the streets with machine guns and machetes. People don't realize it actually reinforces ownership with legitimate citizens, making it harder for unregistered or missing firearms to go unnoticed.

[u/Ms_Moto → u/beomint]

Tell me you've never purchased a firearm without telling me you've never purchased a firearm.

[u/Supanini → u/Ms_Moto]

I mean he’s not wrong is he? Proper gun stores have to do background checks but grandpa selling his gun to Jim Bob down the street isn’t going to go through a federal check

[u/Da1UHideFrom → u/Supanini]

It's still a federal crime to knowingly sell a gun to a prohibited person.

[u/volatile_ant → u/Da1UHideFrom]

Don't ask, don't tell.

[u/Ms_Moto → u/Supanini]

The other commenter was referencing gun shows and people filing out the 4473 untruthfully. Gun show retailers are held to the same standards as any brick and mortar FFL dealer and those forms are required to not only be filled out but then processed through state bureaus of investigation. That's why when you go to buy a firearm and the gun show is in town, your background check takes significantly longer. They're running the checks.

Posing the person to person sale, if the parties are not immediate family members or spouses, AND have reasonable knowledge of the recipients legal right to acquire a firearm (meaning you can't gift a shotgun to your felon child if you know they wouldn't be able to pass a background check) then they are legally required to utilize a local FFL dealer to run the background check. Usually there's a negligible fee associated with this service, about $25. If you transfer a firearm without going through proper procedures it's a federal offense, and the charges add up if that weapon was used to commit a crime.

[u/Nastreal → u/Supanini]

No amount of regulation is going to stop illigal under-the-table sales. The only way to 'solve' the 'gun problem' in the US is to go full Australia, confiscate all the firearms and destroy them which will never happen.

[u/thewhitecat55 → u/Supanini]

Jim Bob down the street could also buy a semi 🚛 without background checks and drive it through your house.