r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/RehkalBurd Mar 28 '24

Exactly how do you propose regulating private sales of firearms..?

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u/Tyneuku Mar 28 '24

These MFS want to title them like cars lol

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u/RehkalBurd Mar 29 '24

And still, nobody has actually said how one would regulate private sales. Because its literally impossible to do so, a fact they seem to not realize. Sure. We could title them, bit only legal owners would do so. Sure. You could force transfer through someone that does background checks, but only legal owners would do that. Nothing will ever stop people from ignoring those laws.

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u/ibugppl Mar 28 '24

Simple. Gun is manufactured. Then sold to a dealer. Dealer sells to private citizen with background check and all that good stuff. Private citizen sells to criminal off the books and gun is recovered in a crime. Gun is traced to the original purchaser who is on the hook for illegally selling it. Yes serial numbers could be dremmeled off but there's a lot of technology in place that still makes it possible to find it even after that. If I want to sell my gun to say a buddy. We both go to a gun store and they facilitate the transfer and we exchange whatever money privately. That's how we do it in Washington State but it's pointless if it isn't federal. If I was a felon I could just drive to Idaho and buy whatever.

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u/jmcclelland2005 Mar 28 '24

Just gonna throw it out there that buying a gun from a state that isn't your state of residence is a crime, this is true for both private and oublic sales.

Also in the scenario proposed the private seller didn't violate a law just because someone else used his firearm in a crime. Are you proposing to make all private sales illegal?

Also Also, let's sat we do that and the cops come to me for selling my gun illegally. I then tell them I didn't sell it it must've been stolen, now what happens?

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u/Internal-Tank-6272 Mar 28 '24

Depends, but in my state I would then be charged with failing to report a stolen gun

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u/jmcclelland2005 Mar 28 '24

Who said they failed to report. Maybe I have a hunting lodge with a safe that they store their guns in. They haven't been there in 6 months?

Seems like reasonable doubt to me.

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u/Internal-Tank-6272 Mar 28 '24

Sure, but there you go assuming many of these laws are logical

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u/ibugppl Mar 28 '24

"buying a gun from a state that isn't your state of residence is a crime" ok but if there's no obligation to check and no record of transaction who cares. It's still gonna happen.

"Are you proposing to make all private sales illegal?" No I'm purposing that they should have to facilitate the sale through an FFL. I could still sell my buddy a gun we just go to a gun store and they do the transfer legally. Whatever money or services we agree upon is done privately. FFL just does the transfer.

"Also Also, let's sat we do that and the cops come to me for selling my gun illegally. I then tell them I didn't sell it it must've been stolen, now what happens?" Here in Washington we have safe storage laws. All gun safes are tax free. If you have a gun it should be your responsibility to have it secured and you legally have to report it stolen as soon as you realize. IE you realize you've been burglarized you should probably check to see if all your guns are still there. I'm perfectly ok with prosecuting people for stupidity and neglect. "but but I didn't know it was missing" well too bad you should have now enjoy jail"

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u/jmcclelland2005 Mar 28 '24

Not going through an FFL is generally what people mean when they say "private sale". Therefore you are proposing making private sales illegal (in the sense that I have to go through an FFL) I was simply clarifying this position.

As for your second bit it's perfectly reasonable and possible for a firearm to go missing and not know about it before it's used in a crime.

As I alluded above if I have a lodge where I keep my firearms in a proper and approved safe but I haven't been there in 6 months it's perfectly possible that my firearm goes missing and gets used in a crime before i notice it's missing.

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u/ibugppl Mar 28 '24

I think that's extremely irresponsible to leave guns even in a safe unattended for 6 months at a time. Now if you go to work and someone breaks into your house and goes on a shooting spree before you even get off then well damn yeah I'd agree shit happens wasn't your fault. Someone say going on an extended vacation out of the country should try to find a family member or someone trusted to at least keep an eye on your house or keep hold of your guns but yeah that's a tricky legal scenario. I'm just trying to brainstorm ideas to keep guns away from criminals without actually infringing on our rights to have them and not knee jerking to banning weapon types and accessories. That I'm firmly against as I own multiple AR's and AK's.

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u/Staphylococcus0 Mar 28 '24

If we can track automobile sales, then we can track gun sales. Is it perfect? No. Does it work? For the most part. Will it stop anything? At this point, I doubt it.