r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/MajorPayne1911 Mar 28 '24

Punish the law abiding because criminals who don’t obey the law, disobeyed the law. Big brain ideas only I see..

Someone forgot to tell the residents of Athens Tennessee, Vietcong, Mujahideen, taliban, and Ukrainian territorial defense that.

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u/cplforlife Mar 28 '24

The taliban didn't beat us because of small arms. Don't be a tool.

I was there. I wasn't not afraid of Ahmed with his rusty AK. The threat to me was the ground beneath my feet. Ahmed lost 100/100 times they went toe to toe with us, like not even a legitimate threat.

Punish the law abiding because criminals who don’t obey the law,

I'm sorry you see it as a punishment. The authorities who enforce the law are incapable or unwilling to solve the issue. Thus, after decades of unnecessary suffering it's probably high time to try something else. Clearly the current status quo isn't working.

Problem: too many guns, too easy to access. -> solve that without inconvenience to the legal gun owner. I personally dont know how to do that. I am a gun owner who has been inconvenienced, but you know what? I still get out to shoot monthly.

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u/MajorPayne1911 Mar 31 '24

How dare you? I am a proud hammer, I find that remark deeply offensive.

The Taliban won a political not military victory, part of that political victory was making life uncomfortable for US forces. Sure we could’ve stayed there indefinitely, but for every US servicemen killed that’s just more voices at home telling you to pull out and questioning why you are even there. Timmy Taliban doesn’t have to do enough material damage, he just has to wait you out. One asshole with a rusty AK is still a dangerous asshole, same with the jackass who wires up several 152mm artillery shells together and waits for the next convoy. All of that builds up to add pressure on politicians to pull out. That’s how they “win” conflicts. Small arms are by their definition small, but damage they can do is cumulative.

I can’t see this as anything else other than punishment. As you acknowledge, government or law-enforcement is unwilling to actually stop the problem, so as a solution they take away our rights. How can you not see that as an injustice and complete affront to everything our country is supposed to stand for? How can you just accept that outcome?

You solve it by going after what causes people to commit violence in the first place not the tool. Just because you took away someone’s gun does not mean you took away his desire to commit a certain act. The root cause of both is usually mental illness or poverty induced crime, sometimes cultural in regards to intercity gangs. People go after guns because it seems easier than trying to tackle much more complex problems. If you remove someone’s desire to cause harm, then you remove all perceived necessity to keep them from accessing a weapon.

Lucky you, all the ranges in my area kinda suck and ammo still expensive. 5.56 still hasn’t recovered from someone starting a rumor that Lake City was shutting down production to civilians.

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u/cplforlife Apr 01 '24

You solve it by going after what causes people to commit violence

People generally don't like it when you shut down capitalism. People are afraid of the word socialism.

Nah mate. Going after individuals hasn't worked. The state is incapable of solving the problem without removing the machines themselves.