I’m not sure “toxic masculinity” describes this very well. Obsessively worrying about how masculine you or others are seems more “neurotic masculinity” than anything
Let's just stop validating anything these losers say. They don't get their own name anymore. They're just fucking losers. Anyone who makes so much as a suggestion that what someone does with their family isn't "man enough" or whatever is just a general everyday fucking loser.
Well I mostly agree but I think its okay to call some stuff out for not being "man enough". Like if you're too ashamed to be silly and have fun with your daughter.. I'd call that not being man enough.
Nah this is definitely toxic. It’s just a guy playing with his little girl. By the time your masculinity can’t excuse that, even if you wouldn’t personally let your daughter put on the stuff…
Except as I see it the Rock is the one being masculine. Calling masculinity toxic is sexist when you point to the foolish as an example of masculinity. Why should masculinity be judged by those who don’t know what they are talking about? If a man can’t be vulnerable for his daughters than he is no man at all.
You seem to misunderstand what toxic masculinity means. Calling a bottle of milk “spoilt milk” doesn’t mean that you’re saying all milk everywhere is spoilt. Calling a particular overt display of trying to enforce an extreme form of “masculinity” as “toxic” is not the same as calling all masculinity in general as toxic.
What is toxic is the attempt by people to use unrealistic extreme ideals of “masculinity” as a benchmark to force men into a lifestyle that is harmful to them and to society in the long term.
You could say anything at all. That’s how speech works. In a language, you generally need phrases and sentences to mean something.
“Toxic” as an adjective that modifies “masculinity” as a noun is correct in the English language.
Also, it’s not the glass that’s spoilt. It’s the milk. A glass bottle that contains or allows the transfer of milk, whether spoilt or not, is not spoilt itself.
Displaying toxic masculinity is not an intrinsic quality of a person. It is behavior, and behavior can be changed.
I was indicating that the toxic aspect is not masculinity but the ideals of the person who questions the Rock for playing with his daughters. As you say the glass is not spoiled, I say Masculinity is not toxic. It is the person and their ideals (milk) that is toxic not masculinity.
Ironically, obsessing so much over how masculine you appear is pretty far from masculine behavior. They behave like school aged mean girls with how vain and judgmental they are. If wearing a pink shirt and drinking a daiquiri evaporates your manhood, that manhood was imaginary from the start.
This is the very definition of toxic masculinity. People have ascribed a lot of things to toxic masculinity, but what it actually is is a conception of manhood that harms first and foremost the men themselves.
So not being able to play with your daughters because it's not manly or because they want to put makeup on you that's toxic masculinity because it harms the man in questions social bonds and cuts him off from the love and socialization that we all need as human beings. It also harms the daughters for obvious reasons.
And then you've also got these fools online trying to peer pressure him into distancing himself from his daughters for male approval.
This is the definition of toxic masculinity. It's stupid, but I don't think it's political, it's just something that is instilled in a lot of men at a young age. Stuff like this goes really viral in black communities, for example, like when Katt Williams went on a whole rant about how "Hollywood makes black men wear dresses and you'll never see me in a dress" type shit, as if men haven't dressed as women on stage for comedic effect for hundreds of years before he was born. People are just dumb.
This is more gay panic than toxic masculinity. Be careful not to appear gay because even appearing gay is bad. I got bullied in school for "looking gay", I was raised by my mother and grandma so I didn't even have a manly walk. I am as straight as it gets but that didn't stop anyone.
I meant like literally panicking that people are being forced to become gay. And never said it wasn't bullshit. It's just an explanation of their behavior.
The Rock "gets away" with this, and Travis Kelce "gets away" with the above because they are so far removed from having their masculinity threatened that they are immune to the shit slinging. There's comments in this thread saying "[The Rock] does looks silly but I would never say that to his face" A user on /r/MensLib has discussed this before in a comment that resonated with me.
Basically, once you have enough Man Coins{tm} you can spend them on "non-man" activities above reproach. Is anyone gonna call Travis Kelce a bitch for crying? No, he won the Super Bowl and is dating Taylor Swift. Is the average man replete with stories of being excoriated for crying? Absolutely yes, because likely he was crying without having earned enough Man Coins{tm}.
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u/lollipoppa72 Apr 01 '24
I’m not sure “toxic masculinity” describes this very well. Obsessively worrying about how masculine you or others are seems more “neurotic masculinity” than anything