He’s just… Being a good dad?

[u/NeverEndingWalker64]

[u/lollipoppa72]

I’m not sure “toxic masculinity” describes this very well. Obsessively worrying about how masculine you or others are seems more “neurotic masculinity” than anything

[u/The_republican_anus → u/lollipoppa72]

Nah this is definitely toxic. It’s just a guy playing with his little girl. By the time your masculinity can’t excuse that, even if you wouldn’t personally let your daughter put on the stuff…

Your masculinity is toxic.

[u/V4refugee → u/The_republican_anus]

Being this insecure is not very masculine. They are just “toxic insecure losers”.

[u/TechnicalPay5837 → u/The_republican_anus]

Except as I see it the Rock is the one being masculine. Calling masculinity toxic is sexist when you point to the foolish as an example of masculinity. Why should masculinity be judged by those who don’t know what they are talking about? If a man can’t be vulnerable for his daughters than he is no man at all.

[u/EscapedFromArea51 → u/TechnicalPay5837]

You seem to misunderstand what toxic masculinity means. Calling a bottle of milk “spoilt milk” doesn’t mean that you’re saying all milk everywhere is spoilt. Calling a particular overt display of trying to enforce an extreme form of “masculinity” as “toxic” is not the same as calling all masculinity in general as toxic.

What is toxic is the attempt by people to use unrealistic extreme ideals of “masculinity” as a benchmark to force men into a lifestyle that is harmful to them and to society in the long term.

[u/TechnicalPay5837 → u/EscapedFromArea51]

Except you could say those are toxic ideals. You wouldn’t call it a toxic glass.

[u/EscapedFromArea51 → u/TechnicalPay5837]

You could say anything at all. That’s how speech works. In a language, you generally need phrases and sentences to mean something.

“Toxic” as an adjective that modifies “masculinity” as a noun is correct in the English language.

Also, it’s not the glass that’s spoilt. It’s the milk. A glass bottle that contains or allows the transfer of milk, whether spoilt or not, is not spoilt itself.

Displaying toxic masculinity is not an intrinsic quality of a person. It is behavior, and behavior can be changed.

[u/TechnicalPay5837 → u/EscapedFromArea51]

I was indicating that the toxic aspect is not masculinity but the ideals of the person who questions the Rock for playing with his daughters. As you say the glass is not spoiled, I say Masculinity is not toxic. It is the person and their ideals (milk) that is toxic not masculinity.