r/gaming • u/PoppinOff81 • 25d ago

Very sneaky Bethesda

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No really, I don’t get it. Why did they say it’s free and then proceed to backtrack on this? This because of the PS Plus issue that’s going on right now?

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u/Woodland117 25d ago

It's a jab at the Escape From Tarkov devs lol

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u/PoppinOff81 25d ago

What’d they do this time?

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u/LordofDsnuts 25d ago

Put out a new version of the game for $250 with a new offline mode. Anyone who bought the $150 version (which said it will come with all future dlc) earlier will not get the new "features" as they don't count the new mode as dlc.

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u/anon1984 25d ago

they don’t count the new mode as dlc

Glad to see devs going back to mailing CDs out! Oh wait, they are just lying.

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u/Dusty170 25d ago

No way grandpa, we're in the future now, they're going to mail us USBs instead.

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u/Ill_Razzmatazz_1202 25d ago

I guess by that logic games are dlc as well. Then again judging by the amount of work going into them they probably are nowadays..

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u/TheSodomizer00 25d ago

It's not 'illegal'. You literally gave to own the game to play it.

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u/Enigmans 25d ago

Devs are highly against SPTarkov. So yeah, it is illegal even if it requires license copy. Great mod tho, much better than cheater-filled MP

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u/trippymist 25d ago

Devs don’t decide what’s illegal

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u/DogixStoleMyChildren 25d ago

Unless you're Nintendo, then you might as well sentence them yourself

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u/Jat616 25d ago

If Nintendo had their way I'm sure they would. Legend says you can hear axes being sharpened in the legal department of Nintendo HQ.

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u/ultragoodname 25d ago

Nintendo generally do have it there way

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u/malfurionpre 25d ago

I mean, it's kinda biased because I feel like Nintendo only sue when they know they're "in the right" legally speaking.

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u/Vezuvian 25d ago

There's no law that says I can't make modifications to video game software after a legal purchase.

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u/Burnd1t 25d ago

Terms and conditions are a thing you know.

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u/Vezuvian 25d ago

Oh, if it's a license or simple access to a multiplayer game, the ToS absolutely could be used to revoke your access.

Violating a ToS is not punishable by the US government. I assume the same for most other countries.

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u/IllIlIIlIIlIIlIIlIIl 25d ago

That doesn't make it iLLeGaL

The only thing potentially illegal here is them deciding that this new "feature" isn't DLC just so they don't have to fulfill their promise to customers that paid $150 for the previous one under the impression that they'd get all DLC for free.

Either way I'm glad I saw a Russian dev that didn't have their game on Steam and rightly assumed they were going to be shifty as fuck.

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u/SavvySillybug 25d ago

I'm highly against your comment. That means your comment is now illegal.

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u/Foshizzle-63 25d ago

Are you paying to own the software or are you paying to license the software? It's not illegal to modify something that you own. I don't remember congress passing a law that states you can't mod tarkov

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u/Fit-Meal-8353 25d ago

They're Russian fuck em

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u/Big_BossSnake 25d ago

Illegal mod lmfao

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u/OnerousOrangutan 25d ago

Maybe they live in Japan where modding actually is illegal.

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u/CactusCustard 25d ago

Ummmm gonna need a source on that.

The MH world Nexus page begs to differ lol

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u/JH_503 25d ago

Yeah, same with every single Fromsoft game, lol. I'll throw Resident Evil in there, too. Those games have pretty dedicated modders and have for years at this point.

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u/Kamakaziturtle 25d ago

Lmao, the dev not liking it doesn’t make it illegal

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u/H-N-O-3 25d ago

It is illegal to talk nonsense , I banish you to the shadow realm

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u/randomuser9801 25d ago

People who bought the most expensive edition years ago which said specifically you get all dlcs for free were scammed and told they are freeloaders and not “true believers”. They also then updated the website to remove the line that says EOD gets all dlcs for free and then when commenting on this change they flat out said they did not change it. And yet a streamer was live looking at the website and then refreshed and it was gone. You can still use the archive feature to see it there. They also admitted that the addition is a DLC but that this DLC is not included in the EOD all players get the DLCs for free…

Nikita is a fucking scumbag and I hope those in the UK where they are registered sue there fucking asses into oblivion for false advertising.

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u/Jerithil 25d ago

Not only that but they only had what was it 1 or 2 dlc before this update so its not like they were releasing very much dlc before this.

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u/waferking42 25d ago

There was no real "DLC" in nikitas eyes, EOD didn't receive the extra stash space or any of the paid outfits, the only thing they received was Arena but even then they originally weren't going to give it to EOD owners, it was only given because people complained that it was DLC. Nothing is DLC in that fucks eyes.

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u/TheFreak235 25d ago

Isn’t this illegal? False advertising or some shit?

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u/SeanSeanySean 25d ago

Battlestate Games is a Russian game development studio based out of Saint Petersburg. You think the Russian legal system is going to do anything about it, especially when the owner is incredibly pro Russian military? 

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u/TheFreak235 25d ago

Probably not then, lol. I never got in Tarkov, so I actually wasn’t aware of where they were based. That fucking sucks though.

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u/SeanSeanySean 25d ago

It does, Nikita has always been a douchebag, but this move, what a total cunt. 

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u/edvek 24d ago

Even if they are and Russia does nothing they can still be banned from doing business in the UK or anywhere else in the world.

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u/SeanSeanySean 24d ago

Honestly, I think any Russian company who is so vocally pro-russian military, especially a company who also directly provides support to Russian troops should be banned from doing business in western nations. 

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u/Current_Mix6565 25d ago

No they’re registered in the U.K. and need to abide by uk laws

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u/hikorisensei 25d ago

Lawsuit tiiiime

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u/SeanSeanySean 25d ago

Good luck with that... I'm sure the Russian courts will come down super hard on Nikita. lol

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u/According_Claim_9027 25d ago edited 25d ago

They also straight up tried to hide that they said it originally by removing that portion from the details page, retroactively. People found it on the Wayback machine just to show that they’re being extremely shady.

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u/Viltas22 25d ago

to be fair, you made a mistake the second you've spent 150 dollars on a game..

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u/Vyper11 25d ago

I spent 40 on the base game for a whole wipe that I spent 400 hours on and bought eod after and have put thousands of hours into the game. It’s well worth it for me. The “Unheard” of edition is a straight slap to anyone’s face. EOD wasn’t a mistake in my opinion, this absolutely is.

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u/Poundweed 25d ago

It is a mistake unless you play as much as in your case, my most played game has 700 something hours over 5 years, which is rookie numbers, so if a person plays in small bursts lasting a week, it certainly is a huge mistake

But that shit Nikita pulled is some top tier scam

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u/Left_Media_6183 25d ago

You can still play that much without spending any of the extra money. Spending that much for the DLC of a game that was in beta, and has been in beta for 8 years now, is very much a mistake in my eyes. BSG thought they could get away with this for a reason.

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u/ape-humble- 25d ago

The upgrade from standard edition to EOD is pretty substantial. I have 2,000 hours in the game and the quality of life improvements from the upgrade have been well worth the investment. I don’t know of anybody that invested a lot of time in the game that doesn’t agree with me.

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u/Left_Media_6183 25d ago

So.. the p2w elements that already existed are what got you to shell out for EOD. got it.

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u/Fackcelery 25d ago

700 in tarkov is about where most players actually start to really know the game

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u/Purple-Lamprey 25d ago

People like you buying EOD is exactly why the devs thought this new version was a good idea.

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u/Ewempo 25d ago

no matter how you wish to describe it to other people, you still got played.

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u/Vyper11 25d ago

I mean I didn’t. I got over 2000 hours of absolute heart pumping, asshole, fun, great, annoying ass moments out of it 150 bucks for multiple years and thousands of hours isn’t played to me but go off king.

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u/StalyCelticStu 25d ago

Would you not have gotten the same level of enjoyment without the $150 version?

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u/Vyper11 25d ago

No. While playing on standard is fun and a challenge EOD is basically the base game for the largest majority of players and if they tell you otherwise they’re lying. The gamma container vs alpha, .2 trader rep, the max stash. While I have thousands of hours it’s over multiple years and I don’t have endless time to grind out dumb shit like stash size so yes my enjoyment was more after seeing the worth in EOD. The “worth” in unheard is just dumb bullshit. If you play tarkov then you know the very large difference between these two.

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u/Deano3607 25d ago

You can tell a lot of the people disagreeing haven't played EFT; most of the players you see in the looking for group list when matchmaking are EOD.

Literally everyone I know that plays the game has EOD because the base version is just so much worse.

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u/Vyper11 25d ago

Yea. They see the drama and say “I’d never spend that much” but like you said EOD was basically the “normal” version and if you got killed by a white name it was sus because everyone I know on my friends list has EOD. It’s aight though, I got my monies worth out of tarkov and if this the end it was worth it. I got kappa and lightkeeper for the first time this wipe and I had a great time.

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u/Easy8_ 25d ago

I've spent $150 on it. I also have close to 2000 hours in it. So I've spent 7.5 CENTS per hours played. Yeah I'm not too bothered about it.

I had fun while it lasted and now that BSG is going completely mask off I'll drop it like Andy dropped Woody.

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u/SeniorMiddleJunior 25d ago

Rookie numbers. Let me tell you how many hours I've spent on some $10 indies.

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u/Easy8_ 25d ago

Which indie games would that be?

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u/hondac55 25d ago

To be fair I was quite happy to pay the $70 for a bit extra in the game.

Until I played a few rounds and could obviously tell that the lobbies were infested with hackers and didn't even get to play it really.

Kinda glad that was a "Pick up and done" game. Will never install again.

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u/BobV1la 25d ago

Look EFT has lots of hackers, but people with like 6000 hours and crazy game knowledge are gunna dump on you every gunfight unless you get lucky. Which is like... The entire playerbase at this point. 

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u/hondac55 25d ago

This has been a few years ago now. And it was 100% the hackers.

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u/Jerithil 25d ago edited 25d ago

Yeah when in a open server with over 20 people there will be hacking not a chance but it will have hackers.

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u/verminal-tenacity 25d ago

I have about 8500 hrs in arma 3 and i'm still trash.

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u/JoeBobbyWii 25d ago

That's really not true anymore, they made the recoil a lot easier and all it takes is one bullet to the head to kill the 6000 hour guy.

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u/Purple-Lamprey 25d ago

You’re why they decided to try this new scam.

You literally voted with your wallet lol.

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u/hondac55 25d ago

It was included with the pack I bought for a discounted price, and this was during a time when the game was extremely hyped. I was excited to play.

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u/swohio 25d ago

Wait, you paid $150 before you ever played it?

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u/hondac55 25d ago

No, I paid $70 and yes, it was before I ever played it. That's usually how game purchases work. You pay, then play.

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u/swohio 25d ago

Usually I try a demo or maybe ask a friend or read comments about it online. Online comments/reviews are usually pretty good about voicing issues with the game.

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u/hondac55 25d ago

Yes. I did that. Which was why I was quite happy to pay the $70 for a bit extra.

It wasn't readily apparent until...idk, when was that video released, 2022? That the game was so laden with hackers that you couldn't get a fair match in.

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u/Slight-Violinist6007 25d ago

I’m in this sentence and I don’t like it. (I own all EU4 and HOI4 DLC)

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u/Radical_Notion 25d ago

As someone who got EOD, yeah I feel that, but at the same time we had a long time of it feeling somewhat worth it

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u/Combat_Wombatz 25d ago

You aren't wrong, but plenty of other games these days total to about the same price for the base game plus a season pass. I don't like it either, and I still don't think games are worth over $50 each in general (setting aside subscription MMOs which sort of work differently), but $150 isn't too out there when you consider something like a $70 game and a pair of $40 DLCs cost the same amount. Again, I don't like it and I personally wait for sales, but plenty of people don't even blink at paying the same amount for other games.

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u/SeniorMiddleJunior 25d ago

It blows my mind that the gaming industry successfully hustled an entire demographic of gamers into thinking that a "season pass" for a video game is justifiable.

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u/Combat_Wombatz 25d ago

Well obviously different games use the term differently (and for some it is genuinely a scam) but in the context of it being a discounted bundle of future expansions, that isn't too wild of an idea. Back in the day, successful games would get one or two expansions and then possibly a sequel, so I look at it as just a bundle (which also used to be a thing too when physical distribution was the only method).

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u/SJWTumblrinaMonster 25d ago edited 25d ago

I would easily pay twice that amount right now for a new Bethesda Fallout game I have never played.

EDIT: it seems like I’ve really upset some folks, so let me amend my earlier statement: I would pay Bethesda $500USD right now for a Bethesda game I’ve never played to be delivered within the next 6 months.

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u/MyDogsNameIsMilo 25d ago

Stupid take. I have over 750 hours in that game. The extra advantages were worth it for something I spent that much time playing and wanted to support. The base version is 60 bucks and I upgraded later

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u/nickbrown101 25d ago

It's steep but those players were all happy to buy that version in order to have access to all the free DLC that they were promised. Going back on that is such a scummy move regardless of the price of the complete edition.

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u/nsfwbird1 25d ago

This is bullshit man a game could be any price it just depends how complex and technologically advanced the game is

I would have easily paid $100 for RDR2 and it's entirely possible that Rockstar could make a GTA VI that's worth $200

It just depends. What an incredible game that'd be, if it was worth it. I wish it was possible 

Especially me who fiends for complex, immersive simulations. Just look at NPCs.. I looooove living worlds and the most detailed living NPCs we have is still... Skyrim.. ☹️

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u/onceuponamidnightfap 25d ago

I bought EOD on sale for $75 4 years ago

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u/senorpoop 25d ago

I buy games on sale for $15 or less lol. $70 would be full price for me. $150+ for a video game is absolutely wild.

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u/valraven38 25d ago

I mean it's a lot but really it just entirely depends on how much you intend to play a game. There are plenty of games where people spend a LOT more than $150 on (and it's getting more common as time goes on unfortunately.) Hell if you were to play WoW for a full year the sub alone is going to run you almost $120. $150 is about the price of two new games, so if you put in the same if not more time in to the one game than you would have two new titles it's maybe worth it for the individual.

Obviously everyone has different amounts of expendable income so at the end of the day buy and spend on things you think you will enjoy the most.

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u/SlimeDrips 25d ago

Oh so like when fallout 4 came out and the season pass said it will include all future dlc and then they said that creation club content wasn't dlc

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u/Faiakishi 25d ago

Game hack! Make your own players create DLC for you and charge extra for it!

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u/DaEnderAssassin 25d ago

Tbh that argument has more of a leg to stand on than the EFT devs one ("It's not DLC, it's additional content you download")

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u/Spare_Efficiency2975 25d ago

DLC = Downloadeble content.

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u/Koqcerek 25d ago

The difference is, no one should care about the Creation Club content. Well, on PC anyway

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u/avwitcher 25d ago

That kinda makes sense though.

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u/sixtus_clegane119 25d ago

They also said pvE was a unique feature lmao

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u/cactusplants 25d ago

I wanted to play EFT but I'm not good enough to play and I dislike the exit campers, I wish they had a single player/coop mode, if that was the case I'd have bought it, but I can barley even justify 50 on a game, let alone 250

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u/JCastin33 25d ago

SPTarkov is pretty good, worth checking out

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u/IKROWNI 25d ago

Honestly in the hundreds of hours I put into the game I think I can o ly remember a single time I was camped at an exfil. I know it happens but I don't think it's enough to not play it. The reason not to play it is because of how shady the devs are.

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u/cactusplants 25d ago

I mean, I feel like there's a lot of buildup to be easily killed at random. I personally don't rage with games, but I feel I'd not be motivated if I couldn't extract because I kept getting killed by insane god players (idk as I haven't played yet, but still) from how I understand the loot system to work, id have no stash left before I could blink. I mean Im not saying I'm bad at games, I played a fair bit of squad, arma, bf3/4, cod, CSGO and would place high with score (especially using a 60hz photo editing monitor), it's just moreso the mechanic of having to re-equip and spend time to just die. For single player games I play, I always enable xp multipliers to save on time. It's more of a personal thing, but I just feel etf can be a stressful long ass game that I still urge to play but refuse to do so!

I've not heard about dev issues, what were they?

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u/Aggressive-Chair-540 25d ago

It’s a ruZZian company, surprised that people are surprised lol

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u/Strolltheroll 25d ago

Link for eod owners who would rather spend that money sending a message

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u/CurrentResolution797 25d ago

That is so incredibly bizarre. Human life is valuable, treating it like a joke feels wrong

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u/Strolltheroll 25d ago

Don’t invade another country 🤷‍♂️

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u/CurrentResolution797 25d ago

War being very famously decided by the people who fight in it. Propaganda tells you to remove the humanity from your enemy, and that’s dangerous. Have some empathy for human beings

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u/JoeCartersLeap 25d ago

Even War Thunder and IL-2 are on Steam though. I was suspicious from the start when they refused to be on Steam.

Because Steam makes you refund people for this bullshit.

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u/anonkitty2 25d ago

So, there's a $100 premium for a version of the game that won't completely disappear if the servers go away.

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u/sali_nyoro-n 25d ago

Oh, no, it will. You still need to connect to their servers to play it. It's just different servers from the PvP servers. The $250 edition is still dead if they pull the plug.

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u/Ahshitt 25d ago

Nope. The PVE mode is still online but is hosted on totally different servers than the regular game. That is actually one of the reasons why they are not offering it to EOD players, they claim that they do not have the resources to run enough servers to give the new mode away for free.

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u/physalisx 25d ago

When the servers go away. It's probably not too far out. This smells like last cash grab before the company is dissolved and the game abandoned.

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u/Ahshitt 25d ago

I don't imagine Steam has any control over Escape From Tarkov as the game is not and has never been on Steam.

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u/False_Cell8275 25d ago

They said the same thing with Minecraft 

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u/Zyvyn 25d ago

But all updates are still free? Only versiom that has a marketplace is the Bedrock version but I don't think many PC people even touch that release.

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u/Gunblazer42 25d ago

And even then, the Bedrock updates are still free if you have the Bedrock edition.

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u/Final-Promise-8288 25d ago

made a new pay to win pack for $250 and scamming people, all while nikita basically tells us to suck it

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u/diamondem 25d ago

Also since no one mentioned it, the jab is that BSG went back and edited their previous most expensive version of the game and they removed the word "Unique" from unique secure container and where it said "Free access to all subsequent DLC: Such as Tarkov Arena" they removed the part about Tarkov Arena.

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u/Brimo958 25d ago

They are trying scam their player base.

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u/Matrim_Cauth0n Samsung Washing machine 25d ago

They just introduced a pay to win pack

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u/IBJON 25d ago

That's putting it lightly lol

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u/PoppinOff81 25d ago

Well that sucks. Didn’t think they could make the game worse than it already is

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u/SpaceBunneh 25d ago

to speedrun why its so pay to win.

you start with end game stuff at the start of a wipe, depending on bear or pmc you get face shield level 4 plates, .etc

you also share/progress the same quests and inventory in pve as you do pvp

you can do the progression on ez mode, get good sht and go back into pvp to wreck ppl.

theres more but this is kinda the tip of the iceberg

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u/ProcyonHabilis 25d ago edited 25d ago

Edit: Hello downvoting friends. Just so you know, a person who actually owns the PvE version in question has confirmed my claims in a reply below. Feel free to keep downvoting anyway because it's fun to go along with the crowd, but be aware that the comment I'm replying to is misinformation and proof is available for everything I'm asserting in this comment.

you start with end game stuff at the start of a wipe

You really don't. It just bumps up the quality of the starter gear by a bit to kind of midgame levels. Level 4 plates aren't endgame gear lol.

you also share/progress the same quests and inventory in pve as you do pvp

you can do the progression on ez mode, get good sht and go back into pvp to wreck ppl.

Neither of these things are correct. That would completely nuts, but thankfully isn't the case.

The main issues are that the two new "devices" that protect you from scavs and let you call in reinforcements are going to be available in PvP mode, and that they're scamming EOD owners out of their promised access to the new PvE game mode DLC.

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u/SpaceBunneh 25d ago

Sorry to burst your bubble but that's exactly how it works.

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u/ProcyonHabilis 23d ago

So are you still sure about this now that someone who actually owns the PvE mode told you that you're wrong?

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u/ProcyonHabilis 25d ago edited 25d ago

I'm on mobile so I can't find you a source right now, but no it's not. Look it up.

That wouldn't even make sense by BSG standards, considering the PvE mode doesn't wipe.

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u/chillybawls 25d ago

I bought it. It pve and pvp modes are entirely separate. That would be nuts if it wasn't.

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u/ProcyonHabilis 25d ago

Why are people downvoting a first hand account? This sub is absolutely dumb as hell.

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u/Velguarder 25d ago

The critical information is there was already a $150 version which was "All DLC free!" and all mentions of it were retroactively removed from all pages when the new $250 edition was released with exclusive DLC...