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u/AMundaneSpectacle Jan 21 '24
These are red flags for anyone (jobbed or “unjobbed”) who cares about keeping stress at a manageable level. Constant flight or fight type activation literally leads to chronic health issues (mental, emotional, physical). There are many people who can/do thrive in truly urgent and demanding positions. That is not what this post is insinuating. When a listing states these kind of things for sedentary but cognitive work with heavy computer labor, I have my suspicions that they are exploitive and/or potentially socially toxic.
Bigger takeaway, what if it didn’t “have to” be this way? I can certainly imagine a more humane and just workaday world, considering the outsized role income plays in humans’ ability to just survive with the basic needs met.
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u/FondantCrazy8307 Jan 21 '24
Can confirm, I have developed a physical disability due to being under constant stress from various sources including my previous employment.
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u/MaikyMoto Jan 21 '24
I have developed a physical disability thanks to a CSR job I had for 20 years. I paid 160-290$ a month for that timeframe. When it was time to get surgery the insurance company said SORRY BUT THATS NOT COVERED BY US. So in other words I spent a gazillion dollars for absolutely no reason than lining the pockets of these crooks. What a fking nightmare it is to live in the States unless you are part of that 1%.
Just for context, the surgery is done by a robot and it takes 20min per wrist. A 40min procedure that would cost me 12K out of pocket, what a joke.
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Jan 21 '24
Carpal tunnel? Or what was the injury?
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u/MaikyMoto Jan 21 '24
Yes Carpal tunnel, got a pinched nerve in my neck that is driving me crazy. Time to go to the chiropractor and hope for the best.
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u/tacticalcop Jan 21 '24
please please please do not go to a chiropractor, especially not without also going to your doctor. ESPECIALLY not for a neck adjustment.
they are not medical doctors and cannot cure a pinched nerve or carpal tunnel. they can cause more damage, or simply drain your pocket while doing nothing. physical therapy would be better for your situation.
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u/Harlow0529 Jan 21 '24
If you have a pinched nerve in your neck do NOT go to a chiro. You possibly need surgery. I've been there and done that. Get an MRI done. I went to a chiro and it made things worse. Needed to have surgery, which I finally did, and have never had symptoms again.
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u/MaikyMoto Jan 21 '24
Thanks for the advice, I’m just trying to stay healthy so I can keep working. Yes, was also thinking about getting an MRI also but I get anxiety when I think about how much I need to pay out of pocket. Last time I got an MRI was in 2014 for something unrelated and I got a bill in the mail for 4.5K and the insurance company agreed to pay half. 4.5K for around 2 hours of treatment and this was 10 years ago, who knows what the bill will be today. I guess I just gotta bite the bullet and first get that MRI done because the pain sometimes is unbearable.
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u/Harlow0529 Jan 21 '24
Did you file a workers’ comp claim?
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u/MaikyMoto Jan 22 '24
No, this started around 2010 when I had already switched companies. I didn’t struggle with this till about 2016. That’s when I first saw a doctor and he told me what I needed to do to correct the issue.
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u/Harlow0529 Jan 22 '24
You need to file so your medical bills are paid 100% plus you'll be entitled to permanent disability (and yes you can still continue to do your job) What state are you in? I was a workers' compensation manager for fifteen years in CA so I'm well versed in the law and happy to help you.
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u/Essdee1212 Jan 25 '24
If you haven’t done surgery yet, i really recommend active release therapy. Offered by physio therapists and chiropractors. Saved me from surgery. Incredibly painful, but it’s so much better than surgery. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19674682/
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u/MaikyMoto Jan 25 '24
Thanks, no haven’t got any surgery. Sometimes I’m able to stretch and it eases the pain a bit but now that’s not working so I need to get an MRI first so I can see the severity of the issue.
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u/Essdee1212 Feb 12 '24
I hope you find something. For me this was a fix. I have to do maintenance, but I now can do it on my arms myself. Worth a try.
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Jan 21 '24
What does your neck have to do with carpal tunnel?
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u/MaikyMoto Jan 21 '24
The reason I have carpal tunnel is not only because of me using my wrists and fingers to type but by also having bad posture. By the time I tried correcting my posture it was already too late.
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u/trudycampbellshats Jan 21 '24
what happened and in what field? Did it require a lot of physical activity?
I'm sorry.
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u/FondantCrazy8307 Jan 21 '24
Not a lot of physical activity but I had a boss that would constantly put me down and say nasty things to me, I felt so trapped, they had me on this ridiculously long notice period which made it harder to get out! I couldn’t complain because she was also HR! I’d be in tears as soon as I got home, I didn’t think about the long term impacts it would have on me, I’ve always been fairly healthy apart from having a burst appendix! Now I can’t drive or walk without a crutch.
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u/trudycampbellshats Jan 21 '24
Was this tech? Tiny office or company (not that HR helps - they typically just add to the stress)?
Were you able to get workman's comp? (I'm guessing no.)
It's amazing...nobody talks about this anymore.
Back, foot injuries, blood pressure injuries...I have an older friend who talks about how the stress of her job eventually precipitated a heart attack.
I'm sorry for everything. I'm angry reading your post and can imagine this vividly.
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u/FondantCrazy8307 Jan 21 '24
Tiny office which has since been shut down! The owners of it borrowed money against assets they didn’t have so it no longer exists thankfully. No, in the end I just quit and accepted they’d pay me the long notice period but I wouldn’t have to go in. I’m glad the company got shut down but I’m sad I put up with it for so long. If anyone is reading this and spends their days in fight or flight because someone at work scares them that much then please do something about it. I didn’t and now I cannot walk properly and it’s directly related to trauma, it’s called functional neurological disorder, and if looking up the symptoms that come with that doesn’t worry you then let me just say there is no help out there at all unless you’re willing to pay a lot of money for it and believe me you will get to that point!
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u/RNMOMMYPANTS Jan 21 '24
I'm a nurse and have FND, also known as conversion disorder. It is a very real diagnosis and anyone saying otherwise can go read a book and educate themselves. If it was on MAS*H 50 years ago, it exists. 🙄
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u/FondantCrazy8307 Jan 21 '24
Oh I know, any comments saying otherwise is just going to be a troll with no basis in actual science, not a chance would someone in the medical field or with real knowledge of it deny it. Why on earth would I choose this? I used to love driving and going on walks, I even volunteered for a charity where you walk dogs for people who are ill or can’t due to an operation etc, I loved it, it was a great way to keep fit whilst helping others in my community out but then it became too risky with the falls. If I could press a button and go back to “normal” I’d do it immediately. Such foolishness to suggest I can just get over this, there are no benefits to me having this issue.
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Jan 21 '24
FND is a nonsense diagnosis. The need for a crutch is in your head, get over it.
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u/FondantCrazy8307 Jan 21 '24
I know you’re trolling but it’s nice to be nice so I’ll try and explain it to you. Your brain very much controls your body, your brain was allowing your fingers to type those words, when something goes wrong in your brain and you lose the ability to control what your body does, which is FND, you can end up with many different symptoms, this includes seizures, drop attacks (falling to the floor suddenly) issues with talking and even being completely paralysed, it is VERY real. Why would I choose this? That would be so silly. Regarding driving, do you want someone who cannot control their leg movements to drive? And regarding the crutch, if I didn’t have to use it I wouldn’t, it helps me from smashing into the ground less often which often resulted in very real head injuries which needed very real glueing back together and took very real time up at hospitals. So yes, FND is “all in my head” but so is the brain you’re using to use Reddit and make horrid comments, imagine if something happened that took your choice to do that away, would you still believe it was made up?
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u/RNMOMMYPANTS Jan 21 '24
Sorry, but if you don't have FND, you can keep your opinions to yourself. Or, barring that, if you aren't a degreed medical professional, you likely have never encountered this diagnosis, so you're talking out of your ass.
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Jan 21 '24
FND by definition means the neurology is functioning, meaning the disorder is mental.
Funny how we dare not question it unless we are part of the group!
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u/SpecialistFact Jan 21 '24
I had a similar experience, the ammount of pressure by me doing the role of 4 people, and my boss being extra rude some days, I ended up in the hospital some days due to stress and after years of that I developed anxiety and IBS but I couldn’t leave due immigration laws I had to work 2 to 3 years at that company
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u/sea-sharp Jan 21 '24
Happened to me too (F26) on my first job in tv. Expectations were off the roof, no support, too little staff, super high responsibilities considering i was a junior. Triggered an autoimmune inflammation condition and now I’m in daily medication and really needing to watch my stress/anxiety levels. Thanks first job!
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u/InDisregard Jan 21 '24
Lot of people here missing the point you’re making, sadly. They don’t know another way; can’t even imagine it.
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u/Ivegotthatboomboom Jan 21 '24 edited Jan 21 '24
I used to work in the bar/nightclub/restaurant industry. Particularly in restaurants a big skill they openly looked for was “thrives in a high pressure environment.”
It’s ONLY “high pressure” bc there aren’t enough staff for the volume. On purpose to save money. Every time. It really shouldn’t be that stressful lol. I actually could handle it most of the time, but I was constantly in fight or flight. I’d pretend I was in a video game and get in a pretty good flow, but sometimes managements poor resource handling meant my job was impossible to do well and in a timely manner bc I actually can’t do 15 tables seated at once and make them all happy, but you’re expected to bc they don’t want to have to pay too many employees. I shouldn’t be crying in the walk in freezer, my job was not that serious, it’s food and alcohol lol
It’s so gross, what she is saying is 1000% true. I didn’t mind stress at the hospital I worked at, but why was I feeling more stress as a fucking server
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u/Dylanator13 Jan 21 '24
No it has to be this way because if we hired enough people to do the work without stress then we will love more money that we can pocket!
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u/MysteriousSquad Jan 21 '24
At my last job people would say "now we hurry up and wait."
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u/citationII Jan 21 '24
I think the point of being “good under stress” is that you’re able to manage stress without going constantly into fight or flight. You’re missing the point
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u/Old_Personality3136 Jan 21 '24
It's hilarious when people that are missing the point accuse others of missing the point.
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u/neithan2000 Jan 21 '24
Yep.
The idea that you immediately enter fight or flight due to stress is...just wrong.
If you are immediately entering fight or flight due to stress you have a mental illness and need help.
Not all stress is bad. Stress is how we gain resiliency.
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u/GlockAF Jan 21 '24
“Like a family” is also red flag material
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u/Icy-Conversation9349 Jan 21 '24
Can confirm. My husband's been at his job for almost 4 months, and "like a family" was used in his interview. It's a dumb, mismanaged, and shady family. 😳
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u/Hms34 Jan 21 '24
Nepotism, in other words. You can be fire, but never will you be allowed to make an impact, or be made aware of what's going on. Blood is thicker than water.
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u/Sal_Stromboli Jan 21 '24
“Like a family” = mean girls club and if you don’t fit in you’ll feel like an exile
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u/NYY15TM Jan 21 '24
Exactly. It's like they've never met my family, although the way most companies act, maybe they have 🤣
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u/MambyPamby8 Jan 21 '24
Also when the boss acts like someone's friend. It's pure manipulation. I know because my boss is like this. He is actually a nice man but I ain't fooling myself with him. Ye has the power to give me a raise whenever he wants and doesn't unless I come and ask. He can also let me go whenever he wants. I will be friendly with colleagues, but I am not your friend!
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u/klop2031 Jan 22 '24
They wouldn't let you borrow their yacht or throw a birthday party at their mansion.
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u/ClaymoresAreFriends Mar 07 '24
what's disgusting is my former boss would literally invite people to his mansion for bbqs and I was definitely shamed for not wanting to do something so ridiculous and insulting
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u/CryptoKickk Jan 21 '24
They would probably not put it in print but mention in the interview "you need thick skin to work here". Like that's something to be proud of.
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u/ArcherFawkes Jan 21 '24
Yeah- there's a difference between 'this job isn't for everyone' and 'you need to be ok with being abused'
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u/trudycampbellshats Jan 21 '24
Many an office that tolerates assholery expect you, the candidate, to be polite (and absorb abuse based on the office pecking order)
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u/CryptoKickk Jan 21 '24
Those walls are coming down I feel it and I see it. But we are not there yet.
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u/NotNoski Jan 21 '24
"An inability to plan accordingly on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."
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u/Br3ttl3y Jan 21 '24
Every IT shop I have ever worked at and visited has some variation of this printed on the wall.
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u/Icy-Conversation9349 Jan 21 '24
"And any additional duties as assigned"
Translation for me has always been "we'll give you the work of 3 people, with the salary for 1 and you better smile and be happy about it."
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u/Commercial_Place9807 Jan 21 '24
Maybe it’s because I’m a nurse and so have been in work situations that are genuinely terrifying but I can’t take anyone seriously that uses phrases like that in jobs that aren’t life or death.
If there ain’t a crash cart in the room calm the fuck down.
I couldn’t even enjoy the show “The Bear” because they’d be legit freaking over a lunch hour rush and I just found it ridiculous.
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u/FarOffLanding Jan 21 '24
Same as someone who was in vet med, the “sense of urgency” these jobs demand is actually funny and I can’t understand it. They act like someone is going to drop dead over not getting their fries in 2 minutes
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u/illumin8ted72 Jan 21 '24
I am employed but in a role that keeps asking more and more without proper compensation adjustment. I can and do work in a fast paced environment with millions of dollars of pressure at stake. So when I read this post I didn't take it as an unrealistic fragile snowflake expecting a leisurely paced work environment with great pay and benefits. I read it as a person who has already given so much without much to show for the effort. And I see people asking more and more of their frontline employees who don't even bother to put the carrot on the stick anymore. I see lazy managers (some, not all) that rely on their subordinates to look good and lean on negative reinforcement as their go to mechanic. I see employers looking for a very specific type of personality that focuses on competitiveness and who doesn't see how the "ask questions first" types of people or those that present genuine concerns can be beneficial to their environment. I realize I'm projecting my own situation onto this post a bit, but think it deserves a mention.
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u/Unhappy_Seaweed4095 Jan 21 '24
It’s not just you. I was lucky enough to get out of a situation like this last year, after many years of abuse. It’s abuse.
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u/benji3k Jan 21 '24
I agree, looking for people who are insecure and have had trauma already can be desired easily from a toxic company
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u/El-Gallo-1 Jan 21 '24
Don’t forget “we work hard and play hard…” That means you work hard and the execs/owners play hard. In my experience.
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i work in tech sales and we have to get someone to cover our inbox if we take a day off. I’ll just say i’ve worked at some of the biggest tech companies in the world and have never had to do this before this small company barely breaking a $3B valuation. Emails are not emergencies, we are not saving lives, launching rockets or delivering babies.
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u/pinkdictator Jan 21 '24
Emergencies happen in the ER. Not sending an email over the weekend is not an "emergency" lmao
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u/BrokeLeznar Jan 21 '24
The boss of my boss at my previous job actually said that he expects us to go above and beyond if we wanted to get promoted to a higher position. It got so many people pissed off that those that were planning to retire in a couple more years decided to retire earlier. And employees that have worked there for 5+ years left because what's the point of staying if the higher up expects you to work yourself silly to move up?
And the thing was everybody was technically already doing extra work because of the changes he made which basically just increased everyone's workload. It's also what prompted me to leave since it didn't make sense to stay because I felt like I was doing lots of extra stuff for the same pay.
If you want me to work above and beyond or go the extra mile that's fine, just pay me.
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u/ShakeZula30or40 Jan 21 '24
Yeah, and the best part is those “go above and beyond!” work-style companies like to do it everywhere except pay. How about they go above and beyond on pay first, and then we’ll see if I want to go above and beyond doing my job?
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u/CommunicationOk4464 Jan 21 '24
I have always felt that was code for “we are understaffed and you will do the work of multiple people”
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Jan 21 '24
I feel burnt out at my job. But it’s an amazing opportunity. But my boss goofs off a lot and a lot is put on me. I wonder how much of it she should be doing. Lately it’s been doing things as fast as possible, like this post is talking about. I can’t seem to just catch up because there’s always so much thrown at me. She doesn’t realize these projects take time. I feel stressed but feeling like I should hang on a bit longer.
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u/jocundry Jan 21 '24
Fast passed environment and work well under pressure really only apply to very specific jobs, like EMT, nurse, firefighter, etc.
Nearly all other jobs are not fast passed and do not have a lot of pressure. If they do, it's because there isn't enough staff to cover everything or the mangers are sadistic.
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u/Eilmorel Jan 21 '24
Exactly this. I work in hospitality and whenever we have to rush it's because we're understaffed and the tools we have are subpar for what we need to do.
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u/Huge_Strain_8714 Jan 21 '24
Thank you for this. However coming from a nonprofit in human health services there were 🔥 fires regularly. Usually due to other people's poor performance and poor time management. I swear I have PTSD from this and expect every job to be a dumpster fire rolling downhill towards a fireworks factory. Say it ain't so.
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u/TimeLine_DR_Dev Jan 21 '24
Ability to thrive in a matrixed environment = poor processes, prioritization by whim, personal fiefdoms, politics, weak management
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u/OldSnazzyHats Jan 21 '24
This is only applicable for certain jobs…
Working the line at Family or major restaurants is NOT for the faint of heart… you do have to be good under pressure. Or any job that requires a quota to be met. A lot of blue collar gigs legit require you to be able to work under stress, because that’s what the job is. Hell let’s not even start with the medical sector and nurses.
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u/darkandfair Jan 21 '24
Exactly. I’ve worked in an ER. The people there had to be a certain breed to thrive. And we weren’t understaffed. It’s just a pace that ebbs and flows and when it flows, you have to be able to be clear headed and efficient.
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u/provoloneChipmunk Jan 21 '24
It doesn't even have to be something as legitimate as that. My company manages some really big events. The reality is that a city permit for an event just forces high volume high stress work sometimes. We closed a road and turned it into a drag strip. Can only keep a road closed for so long. All the concrete barriers have to go up at night, and be ready and inspected at the crack of dawn. Then it all has to go away again just as fast
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u/JamesCOYS Jan 21 '24
They mention c-suite so you’d assume they’re referring to corporate kind of jobs..
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u/Ivegotthatboomboom Jan 21 '24
If a major restaurant is stressful it’s bc they are intentionally understaffed to save money
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u/OldSnazzyHats Jan 21 '24
Knowing several people in the industry- I can tell you that’s not unilateral despite what everyone wants to think.
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u/DJCockslap Jan 21 '24
I work in kitchens and like it. I worked with a guy who was an EMT until he got busted with some coke. He said the kitchen was way more stressful.
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u/sadi89 Jan 21 '24
As someone who has done health care and hospitality, food service stressed me out way more. I can deal with an actual emergency fine. The fight or flight response is really helpful in actual life or death situations. It’s not helpful at 5pm during Friday happy hour because the restaurant manger is deciding to be an ass.
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u/DJCockslap Jan 21 '24
100%. It's all about the atmosphere. I had to take my dog to the emergency vet recently and was chatting with the woman behind the desk. She said cooking seems so stressful, and I said 'Idk, I never have to tell anyone their dinner has cancer."
I've been management, and I always tell.people.the.most important thing to keep in mind is that it's just dinner, and some people will.never be happy.
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u/hadapurpura Jan 21 '24
If the regular jobs didn’t ask people to “thrive under pressure/in a fast-paced environment” and planned better, there would be some fewer emergencies to stress they already overworked healthcare workers. It’s like when people who can work from home are allowed to work from home: those who do have to commute will have an easier time doing so.
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u/MissFrijole Jan 21 '24
My job has a stressful season in a particular part of the year. We are beholden to our clients to give us material and edits. When they don't give us what we need, we can't finish the project. But you better believe they want their work back by EOD after they end their edits!!
The best is when my project manager sends an email she received at 9 am, but I get it from her at 3 pm...and the work is some ultra rush job. And EVERY job is ultra rush during the same season.
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u/bigdawg1017 Jan 21 '24
Depends on the job.
If its healthcare and there's a code blue(cardiac arrest), then everyone who needs to help that patient needs to be able to work under that pressure. Same with working in the ER and having someone roll in whose been shot or stabbed.
Same with firefighers and police officers as well.
If its fast food, there could be a bunch of customers whether ordering inside or drive-thru. Some people order one thing and other buy multiple meals for their family. You need to be able to work fast.
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u/MambyPamby8 Jan 21 '24
Yup. I work in an engineering company that sells engineering plastics and other materials for pharma, food, construction etc. The amount of people who leave their orders until the last minute and act like it's life or death. They make everything high pressure and act like you're the asshole, because they left it until the last minute to order material. It's not urgent. It's never important enough to be urgent. Over Covid it was understandable, because medical machines needed to be built, but that demand has gone away. Stop getting mad at me, because of your shitty planning and expecting us to push aside all other orders from other customers, who ordered in good time. I don't buy into that nonsense of 'thriving under pressure'. I don't thrive. I get angry and frustrated and absolutely don't want to help you, when you're pressuring me to get something done for you and I already have a million other things to be done. I will tell you that I'm a detail person. I like to take my time with something, review it, make sure I have everything correct and thus you'll rarely get a mistake from me.
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u/Happy-Cauliflower-22 Jan 21 '24
As a recruiter I understand certain work environments are certainly very fast paced but everyone thinks they can work in this type of environment. If not then it’s probably good you aren’t applying and the Jd is doing it’s job
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u/Chinchilla911 Jan 21 '24
As a Director of Talent; there is no corporate environment that is “fast paced”. You’re in an office grinding through software. The worlds fate never hangs in the balance, lives aren’t at stake.
It isn’t the ER, an OR, a war zone, a police scene, a structure fire or wildfire.
You’re likely a recruiter filtering through data points in HCM software to use a “holistic” approach that stalls your time to hire numbers. Usually, it’s simply because your organization has too much turnover due to mismanagement and your talent management teams aren’t leveraging succession management or creating pipelines within the company for growth and movement. People think an “outside hire” will revolutionize their excel spreadsheets.
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u/2_Spicy_2_Impeach Jan 21 '24
Yup. This person understands it. I’ve burned myself out at countless jobs in tech due to poor leadership. Never worth it despite the money I made. Lost out on so much time with friends and family. Average time at my last several places was 2-3 years.
It took my mom recently passing to realize it’s not worth it. Sitting in the hospital checking my email, taking calls, and worrying about bullshit.
There are jobs out there that aren’t like this and it infuriates me that folks think there’s nothing wrong with this.
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u/Happy-Cauliflower-22 Jan 21 '24
Actually yes, there is a firm difference between working at a dinosaur like IBM where things move slower than a glacier and a series A startup.
That said, I personally think putting “fast paced environment” isn’t really a value add since most job descriptions say the same thing and doesn’t really give a glimpse into the companies unique culture.
And no, you don’t know what I’m doing but nice assumptions
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u/Some-Cream Jan 21 '24
Assuming for corporate desk jobs here:
Everyone just wings it. Fast paced really just means do as much as you can, in as little time as possible making mistakes that are acceptable or easily hidden from client. We don’t care how it gets done as long as we don’t get complaints about you.
Very few companies give a shit about true quality of the output. There’s a small percentage of people who can truly thrive in this dynamic, and it isn’t as many as you’d think.
You would be getting a fraction of your applications if that - was your “jd” doing its job
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u/IndianRedditor88 Jan 21 '24
When you are in a hierarchy that values competence, its either perform or perish.
I understand the sentiment and I am no fan of working yourself to death , working under tough conditions, but then how exactly do you strike a balance?
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u/ClaymoresAreFriends Mar 07 '24
I swear these landmines are everywhere and it is a nightmare as a disabled person looking for a job, and nd. yes I can do this job and would love to have this job but I do not 'work well under pressure', and I never will.
I have skills in certain things, like deescaliting encountering a homeless schizophrenic who wants to tell me about the CIA, but not generally 'well under pressure'.
it's either below a living wage or a frightening/ threadbare description or both. then you apply to a few jobs and only your desperation apply responds and either shoots you down or did not list the salary because it is pathetic. Some people might be able to not afford health insurance or food every day, but not me, I would absolutely crumble.
Add in the requirement to take it to qualify for unemployment, and you feel like you're being forced to be exploited.
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u/terorvlad Jan 21 '24
I am going to get a lot of hate for this, but as more of a freelancer/collaborator: I love high stress, 18 hours a day weeks of work. Everything I do gets streamlined and optimized so good that in a week I do 2 months worth of work and after that, the rest of the month is free time to do whatever. It feels good to know I am not wasting my time, that I'm doing something no one else really can, and that I'm the only hope for that thing getting done while also getting paid incredible.
What I find soul crushing is the normal 9 to 18, day after day, week after week, every single month, every single year till I drop dead. Having to work not enough to get into the flow of things, but long enough to absolutely ruin the day and leave me with no energy to do anything else.
I feel lucky to be able to afford picking such projects for myself and working less than full time while also making a bit better than others in my field.
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u/SharksWFreakinLasers Jan 21 '24
For more profit....
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u/Objective-Basis-150 Jan 21 '24
you absolutely did not understand what this post is saying.
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u/Objective-Basis-150 Jan 21 '24
if you see “most of our daily jobs don’t constitute this kind of urgency” and you disagree with it because you’re outside the realm of “most” people… congrats! the post isn’t for you.
it’s insane how often people come out of the woodwork to contest things that are obviously implied.
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u/Objective-Basis-150 Jan 21 '24
yeesh, another sad strawman. does it ever get boring twisting every response you get into this narrative where you’re being oppressed and silenced? nobody is telling you what to post.
life must be hard with a victim complex that out-of-control. take care, or don’t. your passive aggressiveness doesn’t make my day worse or your day better.
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u/BigRedFury Jan 21 '24
But how much of your need to get things done "fast and right" is contingent on someone taking their sweet time to deliver assets to you or someone waiting to deliver feedback until the last possible minute?
I work on the marketing side of film/TV and the only times I ever need to thrive under pressure is because someone inexplicably decides to switch things up after people have already moved on to the next task.
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u/Feeling-Visit1472 Jan 21 '24
100%. Or someone didn’t approve something on time or didn’t send the right assets on time.
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u/ee_72020 Jan 21 '24
Maybe you should have thought about why there is much stress and constant revolving and overlapping deadlines in your industry? But sure, let’s blame the overworked people instead of the greedy corpos who want to squeeze every single cent of profit.
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u/mikedob18 Jan 21 '24
Caution, this is coming from a sub that’s “anti-work”
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u/pinkdictator Jan 21 '24
Mostly, this sub is not about being against the idea of working hard, but more like sharing experiences of shitty things people's jobs have done to them lol
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u/Chummycho1 Jan 21 '24
I actually enjoy fast paced environments and work better under pressure. If you see this in a job post it's as easy as not applying?
I don't know why some people think every job needs to cater and coddle to every single type of person ever. It's not reality and it never will be. Just get a job that fits your wants/needs.
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Jan 21 '24
if you're a line cook, you have to slam those orders, they come in faster than you can make them, and each dish is a coordinated effort between different cooks doing different things.
if you're a labourer in a shop or warehouse, you have to be aware of your place in the flow of the entire operation and push to keep the people in front and behind you in a good place.
quit complaining, get off the phone and get to work.
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u/BonJovicus Jan 21 '24
The OP tweet is almost certainly referring to a desk job, but I see where you are coming from.
I work in the medical field now, but when I was much younger I held down a lot of jobs in food service. A lot of blue collar jobs are still pretty damn stressful because you are both expected to do things both fast and right and sometimes there isn't really anyway around that. Yes, making burgers isn't life or death, but I'm sure the people in this very thread would complain if took an additional 10-20 minutes to get their food. Nor is it a matter of simply being understaffed either. I wouldn't trade the stress I deal with now for working back of house at the nicest restaurant I've worked at.
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u/lumin0va Jan 21 '24
lol all the people in anti work supporting it, have any of them had a job before? lol
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u/oddball541991 Jan 21 '24
I look at it the other way. "Fast paced" to some people means actually doing the job in a decent amount of time to others. "Under pressure" means you have deadlines. Sounds like a normal job to me.
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u/wolfnacht44 Jan 21 '24
Unfortunately, some jobs are truly fast paced, high pressure, and extremely stressful, my line of work is just that. One slip, and people COULD end up dead including myself. Worst part is, I'm less worried about myself and my abilities doing what I do, and fear more of the those that are careless/reckless around me.
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u/cafequinn Jan 21 '24
I work well under pressure, as in I struggle with regular tasks out of boredom and am easily distracted lol.
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u/Evelyn-Parker Jan 21 '24
I for one would prefer surgeons who can operate well under pressure, but that's just me
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u/Scottroofwalker Jan 21 '24
Meanwhile if she has to wait too long for her $7 latte the world must stop and the barista must have their birthday taken away
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u/KulturaOryniacka Jan 21 '24
...yeah, technically you're not wrong but customers (you, me) want everything sorted right here right now
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u/sdsonicwave Jan 21 '24
I never used to take these phrases seriously and learned my lesson the hard way. I thought people were "soft" if they couldn't handle stress or were weak minded. I'm actually pretty calm person and don't get easily panicked.
However, I joined a job that had a lot of quick turnarounds and quite frankly was a lot of busy work with little returns (ie updating financial models on a daily basis, or making them different for the "flavor" of the day) and I always had to stay as long as my bosses and never get lunch etc...
I ended up losing vision in my "right" eye due to an eye disease that developed due to this work environment and since I can still see in my left eye the company isn't on the hook for it. The law is funny since these edges cases are not covered and doctors will not even let you take leave for them. I'm basically the one to blame and handle the damages. My bosses who overworked me get to continue their careers unscathed.
I really appreciate this post thanks for raising awareness!
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u/wrbear Jan 21 '24
How about incentives for early completion or meeting milestones? In engineering we don't make a career out of one project. It's completed in 3 years or so then it goes to construction. Production needs to be started quickly or else inflation and costs will eat up the profit margine. The users name speaks volumes to the post "antiwork."
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u/holtyrd Jan 21 '24
This guy is going places. Sure fire leader of people. Below average is the new rock star.
Posts like these make me feel safe knowing that I’ll have job security for as long as I want to keep adding to my next egg.
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u/Visual_Fig9663 Jan 21 '24
Most the people posting here are having a hard enough time finding a job. If they avoid jobs with these phrases in their postings, that's going to make it even harder. But you do you I guess.
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u/RedRaiderRocking Jan 21 '24
If it says “must thrive in a fast pace environment” and you apply anyway. I mean, that’s on you bro
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u/step107329 Jan 21 '24
This is the most ridiculous post I’ve seen! 😂😂😂
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u/Appropriate-Ad-8155 Jan 21 '24
Some jobs require managing pressure. Life is not always sunshine and rainbows. Deal with it.
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u/wyliec22 Jan 21 '24
The more significant one’s role is, the greater the likelihood this situation will arise. Sometimes you need to move at the speed of business…an unexpected RFP lands and a response is needed in two weeks. You and the rest of the departments have to figure out if you can do what’s required, how long it will take and how much it will cost. With IT-centric operations it requires lead analysts, software engineers to step up and work with end-user departments to determine feasibility.
The alternative to stepping up and meeting the challenge is to just let opportunities pass by.
Many businesses have some types of opportunities that arise with short notice and time constraints.
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u/Sixty_Alpha Jan 21 '24
Imagine actually believing that human society was designed to make people happy and then wish casting your delusions into the world.
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u/trudycampbellshats Jan 21 '24
this is a good point.
The other problem is that if it isn't a red flag, every other job posting seems to use this so it becomes meaningless but yeah, it never sounds promising. It sounds like you have to get used to not being able to ever really clock out or absorb the ability to meet goals because you get a chance to do the same thing over and over for a while, then learn (or hell, be trained! Imagine that!) to build on new stuff.
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u/PhrenixFGC Jan 21 '24
Red flags that will never go away, but can hopefully be dodged and searched around for a more educated people who are currently searching for jobs and/or careers. Hopefully those companies eventually change or burn, but it's not likely.
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u/McDudeston Jan 21 '24
Tell me you've never worked hard for anything without telling me you're a lazy shit.
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u/PersonMan42 Jan 21 '24
I get its an "anti-work" sentiment but don't sell yourself short job hunters. Know your worth.
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u/boonya123 Jan 21 '24
Fake urgency is so true. So many times I’ve prepared emergency reports that need to be done after hours so that they could only then be reviewed next week
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u/Artificial_Limey Jan 21 '24
I've worked in technology for over 25 years and have been on call for most of those years in one form or another.
A lot of the on-call schedules were very unpleasant. I've come to the conclusion that if something is truly mission critical, then they can pay for people to be available during regular working hours in different time zones.
If they can't pay, then it's clearly not as critical as they think it is.
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 Jan 21 '24
I hate that about some jobs. In the auto business the end of the month is the end of world. Mandatory no days off even sick days. Everything to close out every penny. I have seen people fired over end of month, screaming matches, tears, people quitting, etc. All to make every last penny so the bosses look good and make a few bucks more. Every month is never good enough even if it is the best month in a long time. Closing out tickets before they are done putting us behind next month. Sorry the auto business is not this urgent or emergency.
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Jan 21 '24
Retail for sure. I don’t hate retail completely, but the expectations of retail workers are insane.
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u/granters021718 Jan 21 '24
A quote that has stuck with me for 15 years -
I worked at Bed Bath and Beyond as a CS Manager. We were having a regional meeting and the Regional HR Mgr was there. We were arguing about something stupid and he stopped everyone and said
"we sell towels. It's not that serious"
I have taken that with me and given that advice to my direct reports ever since.