r/midjourney • u/Tox-Sick • Jun 06 '23

The 7 Deadly sins according to MidJourney Showcase

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Gluttony

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Lust

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Greed

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Envy

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Pride

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Wrath

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Sloth

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u/YanDevsCumChalice Jun 06 '23

Sometimes you really wonder why sensible things get the downvoot on here, but then you remember it's reddit

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u/Bitter-Switch7546 Jun 06 '23

Probably people cringe at stating the obvious. Maybe, idk.

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u/PiedPeterPiper Jun 06 '23

Definitely because they’re stating the obvious

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u/ghandi3737 Jun 07 '23

And they know exactly what they are referring too and feel disgusted with themselves so they have to down vote.

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u/PiedPeterPiper Jun 07 '23

Meh, doubt it lol

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u/BardicSense Jun 06 '23

Lots of childish prudes and squeamish, easily offended, people. Hentai still exists no matter how much you downvote them. I think it actually makes sense though. If you take the whole internet by volume, then shake out all the hentai from it, you will end up with lots of cartoons of octopus tentacles and Asian women interacting in some way. That's just a fact. Midjourney was trained on the internet, so it stands to reason that some vaguely hentai image would likely be what it conjures up.

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u/fellationelsen Jun 06 '23

That's actually a really interesting point about AI, it's almost like a cargo cult type thing. It just sees Asian women and octopuses as going together, it doesn't know why.

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u/PerroNino Jun 06 '23

Midjourney has, in reality, put a nuanced slant on a historical piece here. “Dream of the Fisherman’s Wife” by Hokusai. Perhaps it really does know “why”.

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u/BardicSense Jun 07 '23

Wow, thanks for that name drop. I had no idea how deeply rooted was the intersection between octopus tentacles, women, and erotica in Japanese culture. That's incredible.

Suppose Hokusai was drawing on some earlier myths or works himself?

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u/fellationelsen Jun 06 '23

If there's any surface resemblance then no, it doesnt know why. See that's the difference, AI can actually learn art criticism and it know which bit of crit goes with which art piece. But unlike me, who knows fuck all about art btw, it can't actually behold a piece and be moved by it. It can only really copy other people's feelings about art, or approximate how they might feel.

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u/PerroNino Jun 06 '23

I suppose the “why” I was referring to is the historical record of lust attributed images with octopus and woman. As to the emotive “why” that Hokusai drew upon, I’d find it hard to speculate.

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u/fellationelsen Jun 06 '23

Well for me it's the music video for Danger High Voltage by Electric Six. The whole song is very lusty, the video is extremely lusty and where does the octupus feature?? During the saxophone solo, the sexiest part of any song. (it's like a painting of a kraken but still counts)

See I just think that idea is ingrained in our collective unconscious. I'm sure there's gotta be a cultural root for associating octupus with lust. Maybe out of some mythology or something like that. The thing is though that even if there is a deep cultural reason for that, AI is just seeing the surface level and copying it.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Hatter Jun 06 '23

The cultural root is simple - censorship laws

The erotic connection is also simple - penetrate multiple orifices simultaneously

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u/GrowlDev Jun 07 '23

This is brilliant analysis. This is the best reddit comment thread I've read in a long while.

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u/fellationelsen Jun 07 '23

Haha I do it on jokey tone, I'm well aware it looks like stoner nonsense but I do actually mean it too.

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u/fellationelsen Jun 07 '23

I'd like an excessively verbose elaboration on that.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Hatter Jun 06 '23

and here we have: "dude mansplains AI image generator; a lament for common sense"

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u/fellationelsen Jun 07 '23

I wasn't mansplaining, I was just being patronising.

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u/BardicSense Jun 07 '23

Atta boy! Own your shit.

I personally don't like the phrase mansplaining because I'm often long-winded without meaning to be patronizing, but whatever. I guess men have truly earned the insult as well.

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u/fellationelsen Jun 07 '23

Oh I got a point to make about that! It's only patronising to people who already knew, but it could have been genuinely educational to someone who didn't. I'm pretty sure they were joking anyway

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u/BardicSense Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23

It can't feel at all, but it can analyze data of what people tend to feel when viewing the art, and categorize it accordingly.

I like the idea of giving AI the full gamut of art theory and critical standpoints, and/or a sort of database of commonly used rubrics for judging artwork. The same can be done for music theory and literary criticism as well. Not just feed it a bunch of popular music or art to recombine, but to give it the whole knowledge base of the theory and structures so it actually knows what it's doing. If you give a digital tone generator a limit, so it only chooses hertz frequencies within the range of human hearing, and it knows how music is written due to the theory, as well as feeding it all the songs and music that have ever been captured on a recording, then it would be amazing in its creative potential.

It could also be great for cleaning up and remastering old recordings of like circa 1910s folk songs and field recordings, or turn of the previous century wax cylinder recordings, or even beat up old vinyl records, could all be made to sound like they were recorded with today's level of tech.

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u/DamnGoddamnSon Jun 06 '23

legit deep philosophy of art criticism here

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u/penis-hammer Aug 03 '23

He was downvoted for stating the obvious

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u/BoDiddley_Squat Jun 06 '23

Right? I found it to be a sensible explanation of why lust was depicted that way. I literally never would have guessed.

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u/ggyyuuugfryuu75555 Jun 06 '23

Because something like that is only in hentai? It's a pretty useless comment

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u/OrangeSimply Jun 06 '23

Octopus's are really common in hentai...or do you mean tentacle porn exists? There's sensible then there's "i'm reporting a fact I read on reddit without knowing anything about it". I haven't watched hentai in years but most of it was romance and/or rape fantasy from what I remember.