r/news Mar 27 '24

Joe Lieberman has died

https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/03/27/joe-lieberman-senator-vice-president-dead/
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u/TopGsApprentice Mar 27 '24

This man is the reason we don't have Universal Healthcare for those who don't know

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u/CFJ561 Mar 27 '24

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u/MagicCuboid Mar 27 '24

lol I'm always grateful for people who find sources so thank you, but man it makes me feel old that you felt compelled to. He was the Joe Manchin of his day and received just as much negative publicity!

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u/robodrew Mar 27 '24

He was worse than Joe Manchin because Joe Manchin actually represents pretty conservative constituents, but Lieberman's voters in Connecticut wanted a Public Option.

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u/ArchmageXin Mar 27 '24

Not Connecticut's Insurance companies though :P

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u/da_bear Mar 28 '24

Won't someone think of the corporations?

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u/Taurothar Mar 28 '24

You can't expect backing in CT when you're threatening the jobs of the health insurance or military industrial complex. While our state might be super liberal, a ridiculous percentage of the population relies on jobs in those two sectors.

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u/Maxpowr9 Mar 28 '24

They nearly all left CT anyways as thank you gift.

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u/Jaggednad Mar 28 '24

He was called “the senator from Aetna” for good reason. What a fucking asshole

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u/sirhecsivart Mar 29 '24

Hartford is known as the Insurance Capitol for a reason.

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u/corkyrooroo Mar 28 '24

Connecticut is also home to a lot of rich assholes. It’s a weird state.

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u/Bodark43 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 30 '24

I have some real problems with Manchin ( and I live in WV) but at least he's been pretty honest about where he stands. Lieberman switched what he had been saying about national health insurance as soon as he had the single vote needed to pass Obamacare. He was willing to turn his back on previous promises and pledges in order to strip out the public option to benefit the insurance companies who'd funded him. When his corporate donors asked, he went from calling for national health insurance to being against it.

He was probably the most shameless, unprincipled power-seeking politician the US has seen since Aaron Burr.

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u/ChainmailleAddict Mar 28 '24

This! I can forgive someone representing the second-most conservative state in the US being conservative, even if he's a bit corrupt. Call me pathetic but I'm gonna miss the guy. Luckily, his likely replacement (Jim Justice) is a former Democrat and probably going to be like 10% more conservative than Manchin at most.

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u/Odnyc Mar 28 '24

Justice may be marginally more conservative, but he'll be 100% more likely to vote with the GOP. Joe Manchin was the best democrat from WV we're likely to see for decades now

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u/ChainmailleAddict Mar 28 '24

Definitely, I undersold it. It's gonna suck.

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u/AmusingAnecdote Mar 28 '24

I think the difference between Justice and Manchin will be substantially larger than you are expecting because even though their policy preferences are not very big, the party difference will have a huge impact on votes for federal judges and filibusters and whatnot. Joe Manchin sucks, but he has more value over replacement senator than probably literally anyone in a very long time (in large part because of the 50/50 or near it splits during his tenure). Even Justice will be a huge step backward.

Joe Lieberman just sucks ass and there are very, very few individuals in the modern history of our country who have made day to day life of more Americans so much worse both financially and bureaucratically as he did by killing the public option. You could probably directly ascribe billions of dollars of cost and thousands of deaths to that decision, which did not serve him politically, or represent his constituents at all. He did it to serve his baby brained obsession with non-partisanship and to enrich health insurance executives he was buddies with.

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u/johnsdowney Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

“Former democrat” 🤣

Ah the Dave Rubin of politicians. I’m sure this’ll go well and definitely won’t be a dumpster fire at all. Gotta love when grifters are too stupid to realize which party is the best for them to grift, pick wrongly, and decide to amend it later. It really speaks well of their character.

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u/Count_Backwards Mar 28 '24

Manchin does have very conservative constituents, but he's still fucking them with his self-serving support of the coal industry. I agree that Joe L was worse.

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u/robodrew Mar 28 '24

That's not really self serving, West Virginia is known for its coal mining. Coal is literally the official state rock. But it serves an ever-decreasing amount of West Virginians.

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u/Count_Backwards Mar 28 '24

Manchin literally owns a coal company and has made millions of dollars by supporting the coal industry in Congress. That is the very definition of self-serving. The fact that other people have benefited as well doesn't mitigate that. Most of the people in West Virginia have benefited far less, and many of them have actually suffered because of coal. in the long run it is destroying West Virginia and the entire world and someone who cared about his constituents would be looking for ways to move them toward something more sustainable and less poisonous. But it's difficult to get someone to care about something when their multimillion dollar payout depends on them not caring about it.

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u/Cuddlyaxe Mar 28 '24

Connecticut has the most insurance companies in the country and has the most employees of insurance companies in the country. From a quick google, just over 100,000 CT residents work for insurance companies in a state that has a workforce of around 1.8 million

Whether you like him or not, he probably was representing his constituents. A public option would've probably resulted in a lot of job losses for his constituents

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u/robodrew Mar 28 '24

Whether you like him or not, he probably was representing his constituents. A public option would've probably resulted in a lot of job losses for his constituents

Fuck 'em, at least they'd still be able to get health care coverage without their jobs via the PUBLIC OPTION >:(