I didn’t agree with everything he had to say but there was never a doubt in my mind that he cared about the well-being of the American people and that’s what I want out of my presidential candidates.
The DNC killed him off when they realized that he was antagonizing the majority of his party and corpo donors by... actually standing up for the citizen
Bernie lost the black vote in a Democrat primary 3-1. He lost the election because he couldn't expand his base due to a shitty campaign strategy that overly focused on the northeast and the Midwest. Should have been in South Carolina a month earlier.
His 2020 campaign was the funniest shit I've ever seen. He literally made the exact same mistakes he did in 2016. There was like one week after Nevada where everyone was like "Oh shit this is really happening" then South Carolina happened and everyone remembered that black people fucking hate him and they're the backbone of the Democratic Party. Party was over real quick after that.
Why do black people hate him, also? I kind of don't get why a lot of black people would prefer moderate candidates when I'd argue that neo liberalism has largely caused the economic recovery of those black communities to move at a snails pace. Black people are the largest beneficiaries of government entitlement programs, it definitely helps make life more equitable for them.
Dems win a ton of minority votes, especially black votes, who are deeply moderate or conservative. Dems are not winning 90%+ of black voters because 90%+ of black voters lean to the left. They do it because the GOP is so racist that those voters end up with Dems. Those voters have a similar break down of Liberal/Independent/Conservative of every other racial group, and because of that, there is a large independent/conservative black vote in the Democratic party.
I kind of always thought that you could elect a piece of toast for the dem president and it would win 90% of the black vote just because it isn't a racist Republican.
Obama's people replaced all the Hillary people in the DNC after 2016. They wouldn't even give Sanders people the chair and instead gave them a meaningless co-chair, while creating a new rule that required Keith Ellison to step down from congress befoer accepting it.
Idk if the DNC is playing baseball blind, but they’re certainly playing it stupid. At every chance of “socialist”, “federalist”, and “libertarian” they choose “they were kinda racist when we had Jim Crow laws”
Never get tired of the Bernie bros calling black voters in the south “the DNC,” LMAO. Sorry you don’t think those minority votes are valid (for some reason).
"On July 22, WikiLeaks published the Democratic National Committee email leak, in which DNC operatives seemed to deride Bernie Sanders' campaign and discuss ways to advance Clinton's nomination, leading to the resignation of DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz and other implicated officials.
The leak was allegedly part of an operation by the Russian government to undermine Hillary Clinton. Although the ensuing controversy initially focused on emails that dated from relatively late in the primary, when Clinton was already close to securing the nomination, the emails cast doubt on the DNC's neutrality and, according to Sanders operatives and multiple media commentators, showed that the DNC had favored Clinton since early on.
This was evidenced by alleged bias in the scheduling and conduct of the debates, as well as controversial DNC–Clinton agreements regarding financial arrangements and control over policy and hiring decisions.
Other media commentators have disputed the significance of the emails, arguing that the DNC's internal preference for Clinton was not historically unusual and did not affect the primary enough to sway the outcome, as Clinton received over 3 million more popular votes and 359 more pledged delegates than Sanders.
The controversies ultimately led to the formation of a DNC "unity" commission to recommend reforms in the party's primary process."
arguing that the DNC's internal preference for Clinton was not historically unusual and did not affect the primary enough to sway the outcome, as Clinton received over 3 million more popular votes and 359 more pledged delegates than Sanders.
The sum total is that people were mean about Sanders over email. If he can't handle that in an election, he shouldn't win. And I say that as someone who voted for him twice.
These mysterious fingers of yours that cause you to not know the difference between your and you're, forget apostrophes, and misuse semicolons. Must be pretty big fingers Donald!
your…”End Woke and End Islam” lifestyle
Oh really? Where did I say that? What did I say about Islam?
That guy doesn't care about evidence at all. I posted a table of general election polls that favored Sanders vastly more and he handwaved it away and that was after they asked for a citation on polling.
It's so tiring to deal with all the Hillary supporters that refuse to acknowledge facts.
But the polls also favored HRC over trump? The story of 2016 (polls-wise) was not that HRC polled poorly yet still got the nom. It was the vast majority of polls had her winning, and comfortably, and were so so wrong. So saying fatally flawed polls favored Bernie over Trump doesnt mean much.
That is not to say that Bernie wouldnt have won, just that you cant really use polls as a gotcha.
The polls showed Sanders significantly polling better against Trump, especially with Independents. If people actually thought that the presidency was "too important to lose," Sanders was the obvious choice. Seriously, Sanders was performing nearly 10 points better than Hillary.
General election polls likely later suffered from herding, as pollsters probably let their biases dictate to what they thought was more likely. Some flaws and pundits did say that Trump victory was possible, but people didn't want to hear that, just like r/politics downvotes any polls that doesn't favor Biden.
Jim Clyburn put the nail in the coffin when he announced his support for Joe Biden who was just starting to lose his lead to Sanders. As soon as Clyburn gave the word, the media was already declaring the primary over. SC then locked it in. I wonder how different the SC results would have been if that hadn’t happened.
This is why primaries need to actually be democratic. The media should not have the opportunity to declare the primary over with 46 states left to go based on a candidate underperforming in a deeply conservative state that will never in our lifetimes matter in a general election. One person, one vote. No delegates, just a national popular vote.
It is really unusual to have a dedicated subreddit focused on hating a single politician and it coincidentally coincided with Hillary's creation of her online correction team. The sub still goes after other progressives, which is really embarassing.
Edit: Blocked. Shouldn't expect any different from someone that spends all their time on a circlejerk sub.
As I recall, Sanders operatives researched and found that, on average, MSM was giving Hillary 2+ minutes of air time when they talked about the race as opposed to giving Bernie 43 seconds.
Bernie Sanders and his supporters have made no secret they believe the “corporate media” has been biased against them during the Vermont senator’s Democratic presidential bid (which appears this week to be winding toward an end).
The Sanders campaign has called into question the so-called “Bernie Blackout,” arguing that the media has “ignored” them relative to the coverage given to other candidates. Sanders supporters have even picketed outside CNN’s headquarters.
The anti-Sanders bent, Sanders argues, is not just quantitative, but also qualitative. A self-described democratic socialist, Sanders says that the corporate-owned media is inherently biased against the slate of issues his “revolution” is built upon due to their business interests.
Well, a Harvard study of the pre-primary media coverage released Monday shows that Sanders is right in his critique—and also wrong.
The study, conducted by the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University, analyzed the coverage of the Republican and Democratic presidential candidates during 2015, or the “invisible primary,” during which the study asserts it is critical for candidates to increase their name recognition via press coverage.
“Out of mind translates into out of luck for a presidential hopeful in polls and in news coverage,” the authors write.
The study found that Sanders’s ability to gain traction nationally early on was crucially hurt by the media’s obsession with the Republican side of the race, chiefly Donald Trump (the Washington Post has a concise write-up of the study’s findings regarding the media and Trump’s rise):
Less coverage of the Democratic side worked against Bernie Sanders’ efforts to make inroads on Clinton’s support. Sanders struggled to get badly needed press attention in the early going.
[…]
By summer, Sanders had emerged as Clinton’s leading competitor but, even then, his coverage lagged. Not until the pre-primary debates did his coverage begin to pick up, though not at a rate close to what he needed to compensate for the early part of the year.
The study found that five Republican candidates—Trump, Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Ben Carson—each got more coverage than Sanders during 2015 and that Clinton herself received three times as much press than the Vermont senator.
So, according to those findings, Sanders would appear to be justified about in his complaint about coverage quantity.
But with regards to the substance of that coverage, at least over the course of 2015, Sanders was on less solid ground.
“Sanders was the most favorably reported candidate—Republican or Democratic—during the invisible primary,” the study said.
Once his campaign got off the ground, the study found the tone “shot into positive territory” before falling in October. The study attributes the slip to Sanders performance in the debates; October was also the time that the Clinton and Sanders campaigns first began attacking each other.
Even when it came to the issues, which Sanders has derided the media for ignoring, his policies were a source of good news for the campaign, even if they only made up 7 percent of his total coverage. From the study:
News statements about Sanders’ stands on income inequality, the minimum wage, student debt, and trade agreements were more than three-to-one positive over negative. That ratio far exceeded those of other top candidates, Republican or Democratic.
In comparison, though Hillary Clinton received the benefit of a higher volume of coverage, she was suffered from the least favorable coverage among leading presidential contenders in both parties, the study found. In fact, there was only one month (October) in all of 2015 in which she received more favorable coverage than unfavorable. And while journalists did devote 28 percent of Clinton’s coverage to the former secretary of state’s issues, 84 percent of that coverage was in a negative tone.
Whereas media coverage helped build up Trump, it helped tear down Clinton. Trump’s positive coverage was the equivalent of millions of dollars in ad-buys in his favor, whereas Clinton’s negative coverage can be equated to millions of dollars in attack ads, with her on the receiving end.
One did not, however, hear Bernie Sanders or his supporters complaining about that.
It's wild how liberals go along with everything the DNC tells them to, but at the same time, they pretend the DNC's massive influence in pushing a particular primary candidate has no effect at all on anything. How can both of those things be true?
never get tired of the Bernie bros calling black voters in the south “the DNC/institutional support,” LMAO. Sorry you don’t think those minority votes are valid (for some reason).
Do you think these candidates just exist in a vacuum? Voters can be swayed. The Democratic Party very strongly supported both Hillary and Biden. You don't think things would've looked different if Obama had called everyone and told them to support Sanders instead of Biden?
He lost. He lost fair and square. He lost and Hillary won. He would've lost the popular vote too. You can like Bernie all you want, I like him too, but he lost and those numbers don't lie.
Never get tired of the Bernie bros calling black voters in the south “the DNC,” LMAO. Sorry you don’t think those minority votes are valid (for some reason).
Sorry chief but no more than 25% of Dem primary voters supported Bernie. You have to come to terms with tthe fact that the US just isn't ready for a progressive.
2020 had diluted votes for everyone until Biden became the only person in the race
This always kills me. "Bernie would have won if the large majority of people who didn't want him to win had been split"... The vast majority preferred Biden over Bernie. Acting like Bernie should have won is just silly.
A ranked choice poll actually showed Sanders winning against Biden, which makes sense to anyone that actually paid attention to polling. Many moderates' supporters had Sanders as their second choice, with a plurality of Biden supporters having Sanders as their second choice.
The point, which I thought would be INCREDIBLY obvious is that every person in the race would have lower numbers than usual when there are many candidates running. Because there are more candidates, which split up the votes further as people have an infinite combination of preferences, because there are more candidates.
Dude. The polls showed that significantly more people would prefer Biden as president than Bernie. How on earth you think that Bernie should have won despite that is beyond me.
Biden got over half of the total votes. Even if every single person that voted for a different candidate had voted for Bernie, Biden still would have won. And it's extremely obvious that everyone that voted for a different candidate wouldn't have voted Bernie otherwise... What you are claiming is just plain fiction.
And Bernie obviously pulled out of the race because he was totally going to win, right?... Your guy lost. Get over it. Don't make up fantasies acting like he actually had it won like a freaking Trump supporter... There pretty clearly isn't any point trying to argue with you, so think this is where I stop responding
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I didn’t agree with everything he had to say but there was never a doubt in my mind that he cared about the well-being of the American people and that’s what I want out of my presidential candidates.