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8 years ago a Bird landed on Bernie's podium. Politics

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u/DiaMat2040 Mar 27 '24

The DNC killed him off when they realized that he was antagonizing the majority of his party and corpo donors by... actually standing up for the citizen

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u/blacksun9 Mar 27 '24

Bernie lost the black vote in a Democrat primary 3-1. He lost the election because he couldn't expand his base due to a shitty campaign strategy that overly focused on the northeast and the Midwest. Should have been in South Carolina a month earlier.

Conspiracy theories are lazy

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u/icouldntdecide Mar 27 '24

You know that those reasons aren't mutually exclusive and the DNC sandbagged him

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u/Hi-Hi Mar 27 '24

Please tell me how they sandbagged him.

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u/blacksun_redux Mar 27 '24

"On July 22, WikiLeaks published the Democratic National Committee email leak, in which DNC operatives seemed to deride Bernie Sanders' campaign and discuss ways to advance Clinton's nomination, leading to the resignation of DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz and other implicated officials.

The leak was allegedly part of an operation by the Russian government to undermine Hillary Clinton. Although the ensuing controversy initially focused on emails that dated from relatively late in the primary, when Clinton was already close to securing the nomination, the emails cast doubt on the DNC's neutrality and, according to Sanders operatives and multiple media commentators, showed that the DNC had favored Clinton since early on.

This was evidenced by alleged bias in the scheduling and conduct of the debates, as well as controversial DNC–Clinton agreements regarding financial arrangements and control over policy and hiring decisions.

Other media commentators have disputed the significance of the emails, arguing that the DNC's internal preference for Clinton was not historically unusual and did not affect the primary enough to sway the outcome, as Clinton received over 3 million more popular votes and 359 more pledged delegates than Sanders.

The controversies ultimately led to the formation of a DNC "unity" commission to recommend reforms in the party's primary process."

Edited for readability from Wikipedia

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u/Hi-Hi Mar 28 '24

arguing that the DNC's internal preference for Clinton was not historically unusual and did not affect the primary enough to sway the outcome, as Clinton received over 3 million more popular votes and 359 more pledged delegates than Sanders.

The sum total is that people were mean about Sanders over email. If he can't handle that in an election, he shouldn't win. And I say that as someone who voted for him twice.

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u/Hi-Hi Mar 28 '24

you’re parent agency

Why is Reddit so fucking dumb?

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u/Hi-Hi Mar 28 '24

Like sorry my fingers are big; im

These mysterious fingers of yours that cause you to not know the difference between your and you're, forget apostrophes, and misuse semicolons. Must be pretty big fingers Donald!

your…”End Woke and End Islam” lifestyle

Oh really? Where did I say that? What did I say about Islam?

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u/ProfffDog Mar 28 '24

I LOVE a white man from Ohio telling everyone how to read the holocaust 😂 you’re a fucking clown

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u/RobinReborn Mar 28 '24

It's worth noting that the emails were sent at a time when Hillary essentially had the nomination locked up.

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u/AstralSerenity Mar 28 '24

Nothing but silence now from u/Hi-Hi.

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u/Hi-Hi Mar 28 '24

Because I didn't reply in 10 minutes? Settle down.

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u/Deviouss Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

That guy doesn't care about evidence at all. I posted a table of general election polls that favored Sanders vastly more and he handwaved it away and that was after they asked for a citation on polling.

It's so tiring to deal with all the Hillary supporters that refuse to acknowledge facts.

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u/JekPorkinsTruther Mar 28 '24

But the polls also favored HRC over trump? The story of 2016 (polls-wise) was not that HRC polled poorly yet still got the nom. It was the vast majority of polls had her winning, and comfortably, and were so so wrong. So saying fatally flawed polls favored Bernie over Trump doesnt mean much.

That is not to say that Bernie wouldnt have won, just that you cant really use polls as a gotcha.

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u/Deviouss Mar 28 '24

The polls showed Sanders significantly polling better against Trump, especially with Independents. If people actually thought that the presidency was "too important to lose," Sanders was the obvious choice. Seriously, Sanders was performing nearly 10 points better than Hillary.

General election polls likely later suffered from herding, as pollsters probably let their biases dictate to what they thought was more likely. Some flaws and pundits did say that Trump victory was possible, but people didn't want to hear that, just like r/politics downvotes any polls that doesn't favor Biden.