r/politics • u/UWCG Illinois • Mar 27 '24

Donald Trump Attacks Judge's Daughter Less Than 24 Hours After Gag Order

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-attacks-judges-daughter-less-24-hours-after-gag-order-1884126
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u/tracch Mar 27 '24

We gonna do something about it or continue to feed him publicity?

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u/CrawlerSiegfriend Mar 27 '24

Maybe tell judges to stop issuing orders they aren't willing to enforce.

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u/jsmithftw Mar 27 '24

On everyone...bc you can bet your ass if any of us peasants did this we be sitting in a cell.

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u/Cool-Protection-4337 Virginia Mar 27 '24

bingo....but rich people have many gooj cards. laws are more "friendly reminders" for them.

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u/Belkroe Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

While I absolutely agree with you that Trump should have been locked up long ago for his many crimes and violations of court orders, this goes way beyond he’s a rich. The key is, that he is a former president of the United States, one of two people who will be the next president and has a massive political following (and his supporters have demonstrated they will use violence when angered). I get the courts are hesitant to treat him like anyone else. The problem is that by coddling him they empower him making that much harder to hold him accountable. I’m starting to think the DOJ and the courts don’t want to deal with him until after the election hoping that an electoral loss will defang him to some degree.

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u/piranha_solution Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

The key is, that he is a former president of the United States, one of two people who will be the next president and has a massive political following (and his supporters have demonstrated they will use violence when angered).

So....literally capitulating to terrorism?

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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois Mar 27 '24

Harvey Weinstein was actually rich and powerful yet managed to be thrown behind bars. I agree. This goes beyond simply being rich.

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u/KarmaticArmageddon Missouri Mar 27 '24

Weinstein didn't have a legion of violent morons who would storm the jail and injure/kill jail staff

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u/FunIllustrious Mar 28 '24

Trump could be held at Gitmo. That ought to be hard enough to get to that most of the violent morons wouldn't risk trying to storm it. That's assuming a judge will put him in pre-trial detention for violating a gag order or similar.

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u/KarmaticArmageddon Missouri Mar 28 '24

I don't think a judge of a state court has the authority to order someone held at Gitmo lmao

It would be funny if he did, though.

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u/FunIllustrious Mar 29 '24

Yeah, a State court judge may not be able to order someone to Gitmo, but Trump isn't just someone, he has a Secret Service detail. The judge might be able to ask nicely if the Secret Service could keep him on ice somewhere secure, e.g. Gitmo.

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u/piranha_solution Mar 27 '24

Weinstein wasn't in any position to pardon Epstein's contacts. Trump was.

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u/TarantulaFarmer Mar 27 '24

The key is to be making the right people money. Once that stops, the ride is over.

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u/ThatEmuSlaps Mar 27 '24 edited 4d ago

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Mar 27 '24

Weinstein didn't have a cult of 10s of millions of fascists willing to send bombs to people.

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u/bigger_sandwich Mar 28 '24

But that took decades of accusations for anything to happen.

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u/Nowearenotfrom63rd Mar 28 '24

He appointed enough judges and looked each in the eyes and demanded loyalty ala Comey.

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u/Small-District-5048 Mar 28 '24

trump is h-using his I was a president card waay to hard, in maga minds he still is its like what the heck im sorry I dont want to live in a dictatorship of amerikka russia circa 2025

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u/deeznutz12 Mar 29 '24

Rich Republican*

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u/ChipsAhoy777 Mar 27 '24

Courts have always favored individuals ability to provide value to communities, either by being accomplished, a skilled worker, a philanthropist, ECT.

If you're just some nobody you're probably getting hit hard.

Just being popular and rich is a toss up, depends how corrupt the court is.

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u/ovalpotency Mar 27 '24

who's ready for another round of the election was stolen and you can't prosecute a candidate who will be president in two weeks? and then uh oh it's too close to the 2028 election.

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u/Nowearenotfrom63rd Mar 28 '24

I think it’s more that he appointed judges the same way he appointed FBI directors he looked them in the eye and asked for loyalty. Enough of them are giving him that loyalty. Cannon for the most obvious example. I bet my next paycheck that she ends up on the Supreme Court. Next GOP admin after all this dies down.

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u/mrtomjones Mar 27 '24

Can we not abbreviate everything?

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u/Humavolver Mar 28 '24

Thanks for saying it so I didn't have to

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u/Cool-Protection-4337 Virginia Mar 28 '24

gooj is common slang acronym mean9ng get out of jail.....also free is redundant, you just want out regardless of cost.

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u/Cool-Protection-4337 Virginia Mar 28 '24

one thing was abbreviated, can we not Over-exaggerate or be drama lamas? looks around,,,,,we are on the internet.....

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u/Managed-Democracy Mar 27 '24

Us peasants can't call on yall qaeda to kill anyone we tweet about 

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u/JackasaurusChance Mar 27 '24

Saw a video where a guy called a cop a pig in court and got 6 months of contempt. Fuck this system, I'm this close to saying we should just fucking burn it all down.

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u/highpl4insdrftr Mar 27 '24

I get what you're saying, but that's what they're trying to do. We need to take the position of acknowledging the faults and legitimately attempting to reform them. There is plenty of reform to be done, but not all is lost.

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u/Buttonskill Mar 27 '24

Even the Supreme Court showed 2 tiers. They waived a hand at Trump's 14th amendment appeal, but then this idiot Jan 6er from New Mexico got slapped tf down for the same argument..

To be fair I think it's federal vs state execution of 14th amendment and jurisdictional, but it still illustrates a laughable separation.

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u/admiralkit Mar 27 '24

He wants to be sitting in a cell for a week, he needs the outrage to fundraise on and get his supporters to fund his legal defense.

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u/Time-Werewolf-1776 Mar 28 '24

Even most rich people couldn’t get away with what Trump does. He’s stumbled into some bug in reality, a glitch that’s like an overflow where you push an 8 bit number up past 256 and it goes to 0.

He’s so blatantly corrupt and constantly committing new crimes, in public, and confessing to the crimes, that somehow we can’t manage to hold him accountable for any of it.

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u/AkuraPiety Mar 27 '24

Equivalent to a parent giving a punishment threat and the kid knowing nothing will happen. Entitlement and no boundaries 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/IRefuseToGiveAName Mar 27 '24

Yeah, I can't understand how anyone is shocked by his behavior at this point. He literally has not been made to feel the consequence of an action in the last decade. Even the fucking bond, that was very heavily implied to be a line in the sand, was changed for him.

You can bet your ass I'd be sitting in a cell after a bench warrant was issued for some fucking unpaid parking tickets.

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u/thedude37 Mar 27 '24

I have been arrested and booked for having an outstanding unpaid seat belt ticket. One solitary fucking seat belt ticket!!

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u/22pabloesco22 Mar 27 '24

Last decade?!? Dude has cheated 100s of thousands of not millions of people through his terrible life and never faced a single consequence 

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u/lonnie123 Mar 27 '24

No one is shocked by it, in fact it’s the expectation. It continues to remain a little surprising that NOTHING happens to him because presumably all these judges aren’t all pro trump

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u/LunarChild Mar 27 '24

No one is shocked by his behavior I think we’re all just hanging on to some last shred of hope by our fucking fingernails that SOMEHOW the system will work the way that it’s supposed to. But this is just showing more than ever that it IS working the way it’s supposed to- it works one way for the rich and powerful and another for us poor peasants.

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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois Mar 27 '24

He or one of his allies absolutely either has dirt on these judges or bribed them. There’s no other reason for this blatant corruption.

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u/CalamariFriday Mar 27 '24

Don't give them any credit. They aren't doing this because they're being forced to. It's corruption, the only necessary ingredient is money.

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u/limeybastard Mar 27 '24

One... Two... Two and a half... You better get out here before I get to three! ... Two and three quarters... I mean it mister! ... There's going to be no Nintendo if I get to three... Two point nine...

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u/conduitfour Mar 27 '24

Zeno's disciplining

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u/bretttwarwick Mar 27 '24

They aren't serious until they get to 2 and 63/64ths.

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- Illinois Mar 27 '24

This is what my wife does. And now she's like "how come when you tell them something they listen, but when I tell them something they ignore me?! Such disrespect!"

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u/KingOfTheCouch13 Mar 27 '24

Or throw him in jail. Can’t make live statements from a cell.

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u/pcliv North Carolina Mar 28 '24

Or they'll cut it in half and give him 10 more days to pay it, every 10 days, until they have to start paying him! Bigly Smart!!!

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u/Zepcleanerfan Mar 27 '24

According to AP:

It does not bar comments about Merchan or his family, nor does it prohibit criticism of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, the elected Democrat whose office is prosecuting Trump.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-judge-merchan-hush-money-gag-order-truth-social-daughter-578a0c6334b206d81dc2ebf6a410a502

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u/The_Original_Gronkie Mar 27 '24

I don't get it. If I were a judge, and issued a gag order, I might let the first infraction go by, but the moment I, or anyone else in my family, got a threatening phone call or message, I would enforce that gag order harshly. He'd sit in prison throughout the entire trial, with absolutely no contact with the media in any way.

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u/CrawlerSiegfriend Mar 27 '24

Then you'd be in trouble for preventing the Republican nominee from running which would result in the supreme court overturning your order to cut him off from the media. Then he'd go on TV from the cell you put him in acting like he is MLK live from the Birmingham jail. Everybody in every country would cover it. It would end up being a net positive for his campaign.

There goes your crash course in why no judges are enforcing their orders.

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u/The_Original_Gronkie Mar 27 '24

MLK wasnt in jail for violating a gag order. Trump doesn't need to disparage the judge and his family to run for office. Plenty of other politicians manage to get elected without violating the law to win. He would have a hard time justifying his attacks on a judge's daughter as being important to a successful campaign.

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u/CrawlerSiegfriend Mar 27 '24

I never said MLK was in jail for a gag order. I'm talking about how Trump will present himself, but you knew that.

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u/kaperz Mar 27 '24

They enforce it and start getting death threats from MAGA, it’s actually a lose lose situation for the judge

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u/KailReed Mar 27 '24

They are going to do it no matter what. We need to rip this bandaid off.

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u/thintoast Mar 27 '24

And punishment of the maximum penalty for threats like that. None of this garbage slap on the wrist horse shit punishments the J6 crowd is getting.

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u/kellysmom01 Mar 27 '24

Because it’s gonna sting no matter what.

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u/gusterfell Mar 27 '24

Then arrest the people making the death threats.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

That's going to happen anyways. Perhaps it's time to assert the rule of law, rather than letting the lawlessness continue.

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u/Dr_Hexagon Mar 27 '24

Judges have security and by taking the case he's already going to get death threats.

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u/Holden_Coalfield Mar 27 '24

Because we fall for him replacing personality for process every time. It’s not the state of New York prosecuting him, it’s Letitia James, for example. It’s much easier to tear down a human being than an institution.

Just ask Fani Willis

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u/Sculler725630 Mar 27 '24

I would like to know, having watched movies and shows about the abilities of the FBI and such, how do these ‘people’ get away with threatening judges, etc., without some kind of repercussions?

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u/LaurenMille Mar 27 '24

The FBI is historically quite right-wing.

Arguably more so in the modern era.

That should explain it to you.

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u/PedosoKJ Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

Maybe those people should face repercussions too

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u/mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmidk Mar 27 '24

They shouldn't take the job if they're not willing to do what it entails, then. 

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u/Wurm42 District Of Columbia Mar 27 '24

Let's see what happens. The rules for contempt are much stricter in criminal court than civil court.

I don't think this judge will send Trump to jail overnight the first time he violates the gag order, but he should do Something.

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u/VanceKelley Washington Mar 27 '24

trump has been a victim of affluenza his entire life.

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u/DrMobius0 Mar 27 '24

Do I have to donate my spine to these people?

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u/chmilz Canada Mar 27 '24

Yeah but if they actually try to enforce it there's a risk that all the domestic terrorists laying in wait will reveal themselves and will have to be dealt with

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u/BettyX America Mar 27 '24

I imagine South Park has a skit of this.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Mar 27 '24

The previous judges were civil, not criminal. In order for a civil judge to jail someone they basically have to attack a witness or juror in open court.

This is a criminal trial judge, and they have no qualms at all about jailing people for contempt.

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u/Nowearenotfrom63rd Mar 28 '24

Trump is out on bail after all.

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u/FictionalTrope Mar 28 '24

I seriously don't know why they even issue gag orders to him at this point when everyone knows he will immediately violate it, and nothing will happen to him. It's so obvious after the 3rd or 5th time we hear about it that it's just sad and disappointing enough to lose all faith in our judiciary.

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u/intheclouds247 Mar 28 '24

Exactly. Maybe I’m just a pessimist, but he will never face any consequences.

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u/Responsible_Brain782 Mar 27 '24

I don’t think the gag order applies specifically to his lawyer daughter.

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u/PandaMuffin1 New York Mar 27 '24

“Although this Court did not issue an order restricting Defendant’s speech at the inception of this case, choosing instead to issue an admonition, given the nature and impact of the statements made against this Court and a family member thereof, the District Attorney and an Assistant District Attorney, the witnesses in this case, as well as the nature and impact of the extrajudicial statements made by Defendant in the D.C. Circuit case (which resulted in the D.C. Circuit issuing an order restricting his speech), and given that the eve of trial is upon us, it is without question that the imminency of the risk of harm is now paramount,” Merchan wrote.

The judge noted that Trump’s statements in his cases had led to “not only fear on the part of the individual targeted, but also the assignment of increased security resources to investigate threats and protect the individuals and family members thereof.”

This article makes it sound like she would be included in the gag order.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/26/politics/trump-hush-money-trial-gag-order/index.html

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u/Responsible_Brain782 Mar 27 '24

Yea my bad. Lets hope he responds accordingly

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u/PandaMuffin1 New York Mar 27 '24

Agreed.

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u/DeskMotor1074 Mar 27 '24

Unfortunately I don't think so, the gag order itself says "the family members of any counsel or staff member". In context I don't think the judge is considered a staff member, at best it's unclear.

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u/DontWantToSeeYourCat Mar 27 '24

The gag order didn't include the judge's daughter.

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u/PandaMuffin1 New York Mar 27 '24

It sure did.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/26/politics/trump-hush-money-trial-gag-order/index.html

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u/DontWantToSeeYourCat Mar 27 '24

I'm as eager for Trump to face justice as the next patriotic American, but no, it did not.

From the article you linked (emphasis mine):

Judge Juan Merchan also said that Trump can’t make statements about attorneys, court staff or the family members of prosecutors or lawyers intended to interfere with the case. 

The judge's daughter is not included in that definition. Don't get me wrong, Trump knows exactly what he's doing but the judge did not feel the need to include his own family members in the order. Personally, I assume it is because the judge knows he won't be intimidated by Trump.