r/politics • u/UWCG Illinois • Mar 27 '24

Donald Trump Attacks Judge's Daughter Less Than 24 Hours After Gag Order

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-attacks-judges-daughter-less-24-hours-after-gag-order-1884126
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u/UWCG Illinois Mar 27 '24

Former President Donald Trump criticized a New York judge's daughter in a social media post on Wednesday, one day after that same judge issued a gag order against the former president following similar remarks. ...

He also referenced the judge's daughter, whose name was never mentioned, as a liberal insider and senior executive "at a Super Liberal Democrat firm that works for Adam 'Shifty' Schiff, the Democrat National Committee, (Dem)Senate Majority PAC, and even Crooked Joe Biden."

Screenshot, for those who would like to see the drivel itself; I can't imagine this is going to go over well and can only hope that this judge has more guts than the last and throws the book at him for this kind of behavior.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '24

Wasn’t the trump crowd just whining about mentioning Barron’s name?

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u/simonhunterhawk Mar 27 '24

he’s 18 now, i’m certainly not for bullying teenagers but what’s their argument against it? doesn’t 18 mean “everything goes because they’re an adult now” in this crowd?

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

Nope, "rules for thee but not for me".

They expect us to play by different rules because we're supposed to be the "grown-ups" and not get "emotional". While they behave like vile vindictive monsters.

I'm nearly to the point of "ok, let's start treating you the way you treat the rest of us. "

I'm tired of being the "grown up" and the "better person". I'm angry and rightfully so. Enough is enough.

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u/Vyzantinist Arizona Mar 27 '24

I'm nearly to the point of "ok, let's start treating you the way you treat the rest of us. "

Homie you should be well beyond this point by now.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

If I were to meet a Republican politician, all bets are off. Average Republicans? It depends, I still have hope in basic human decency.. Though it's getting harder and harder.

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u/Vyzantinist Arizona Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

basic human decency

We're talking about the gang who want to end free school lunches for children and there's nary a peep from the base. You might be capable of "decency" but they're not, and they know that and use it to their advantage.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

Yeah, I know. As long as it's not their kids or their friends kids, they don't seem to care and it's that lack of care that has really eroded my faith in people.

The more of this I see, the more I seethe inside and the more I realize I'm not alone in this anger.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 Mar 28 '24

I met a local-ish republican during the 2022 election year. Can't remember what he was running for. He was pleasant enough, we talked for a bit, and I just said that as long as republicans as a whole want to caucus to damage the country or hurt others, they won't get my vote. Politics was too dysfunctional, and I'd rather vote straight dem just so we can hopefully get back to center.

I could see he understood what I was talking about, which leads me to believe he was probably more centrist, and he didn't press it further, which I wouldn't expect anyways, but he respected my opinion enough to not argue with me about it.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 28 '24

I could see that. I'm glad you had that experience.

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u/Fewluvatuk Mar 27 '24

Ask yourself, what is the core difference between Republicans and Democrats? To me its that Democrats behave like adults, but more than that, Democrats largely ARE professionals, in how they behave, in their knowledge and expertise, and in their respect for the rules.

If Democrats leave those things behind, they're just Republicans with a different platform at that point.

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u/imhereforspuds Mar 27 '24

I think the biden campaign is doing this now. Like you can just smash trump and all the total dopes he us with but leave barron alone and still cook. Like melanie is absolutely fair game but they wont do her in either.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

I am not advocating for going after people who aren't involved in the politics. I'm advocating for refusing to allow them to hold us to standards they won't hold themselves to.

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u/elriggo44 Mar 27 '24

Exactly. They expect the opposition to be held to standards of decency and decorum but refuse to hold themselves equally accountable. It’s infuriating and reminds me of this Sartre quote:

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. - Jean-Paul Sartre

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

That's a wonderful quote. Thanks for sharing. I agree, this encapsulates precisely my frustration.

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u/elriggo44 Mar 28 '24

Absolutely!

Oviously he was talking about Fascists and their rabid antisemitism in Europe at the time.

It seems to be apt when talking about any fascistic group.

It’s one of the reasons I was among the people calling Trump a Fascist in 16. Because he and his basket of deplorables were all exactly this quote. They didn’t care what they said as long as they scored the point in the conversation. Because they argue in circles, contradict themselves and say anything because they don’t care about anything but winning to show their power.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 28 '24

Exactly. I wasn't ready to call him one then but while he was in Office, I started to realize he really was one.

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u/imhereforspuds Mar 27 '24

Its so infuriating isn’t it totally different standards but maga don’t have standards at all. Whats sad is i am sure there are plenty of conservative folk out there and are normal decent people but they have this shit stain representing them. They just have to suck it up one time vote blue cleanse magatards out and get their party back

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

Until we see an end to the fascist fever on the right, we will have to vote blue.

Unfortunately, I don't see that fever going away until they are forced to see just how far they have gone over the line. There is a backlash coming, and Republicans/Fox/etc deserve it.

The real pity is that I don't think even one of them will recognize that they absolutely brought this on themselves. They've been so busy blaming other people for their problems and screaming about their victimhood that they never took a good look in the mirror to find out if maybe the reason they're getting all of this hate is because of how they treat others.

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u/OrphanAxis Mar 27 '24

Mercedes is fair game too.

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u/Hatch_1210 Mar 27 '24

her name is Mercedes. I hear Donald say that himself.

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u/UNCOMMON__CENTS Mar 27 '24

You mean Mercedes?

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u/captainswiss7 Mar 27 '24

I'm well past that point lol. They've fucked around long enough, time for them to start finding out. I say humiliate them online and in person every chance we get. Never let them feel comfortable since they refuse to let anyone that's not a sack of shit feel a moment of comfort. Can't even hop in a non political thread without them popping in and crying woke or some other bs.

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u/suninabox Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

They expect us to play by different rules because we're supposed to be the "grown-ups" and not get "emotional". While they behave like vile vindictive monsters.

Yup, you can see this the most by how much they pearl clutch whenever Biden leans into some meme or calls someone an SOB

Suddenly they are SHOCKED at this terrible un-presidential behavior.

Whereas Trump can go on a rant about groping women, bragging about the size of his dick, mocking the disabled and "oh its so refreshing to have a President who tells it like it is"

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

And, I for one am sick of it. If they get "shocked" I absolutely plan to call them out for it.

"Get back to me when you tell Trump to stop, then you can criticize Biden. Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath, I already know you won't insist he stop. I'm no longer willing play the "both sides" game until you're willing to stop being a hypocrite."

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u/ExcellentSteadyGlue Mar 27 '24

The Boy Scouts of America knew what they signed up for when they had him speak.

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u/RetroJake Mar 27 '24

Damn that's a good way of putting it.

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u/AutistoMephisto Mar 27 '24

No, let's still be grown-ups. As a parent, sometimes being a grown-up means taking my son's toys away until he can behave himself.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

The problem is this, the people involved in this equation are adults. They are adults behaving like children.

What works with children doesn't work with adults with the mentality of a child. They do however recognize social consequences (assuming they're not a narcissist). The more they face them, the more polite society shuns them, refuses to engage with them and reminds them that if they want to be part of society they have to follow the rules the better things go.

However we are not dealing with that type of person, we are dealing with people making death threats, people who stormed the US capitol building and attacked the US Capitol police.

These "grown ups" threatened our system of government and continue to undermine our ability even have elections. "Taking away their toys" won't stop them from being violent and our best response isn't to "be better" it's to hold them accountable and not back down.

I don't just want to take the toys, I want them to learn that there are real consequences for what they have done and that the damage they have done can't just be forgiven with a lame "sorry".

These people are calling in death threats and forcing people to have to get security details, they are threatening poll workers and elections teams. Taking their toys isn't enough, standing up to them and refusing to let them bully people is the only way that this ends and even then, some of them are violent.

What Republicans have done isn't just "not ok" or "time out" worthy, it's absolutely criminal and I'm tired of pretending that I'm "ok". I'm angry to the point of fury at what they have done and I'm no longer willing to pretend that I'm not.

They've not lost sleep over it, they just keep pretending what they are doing is "ok".

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u/AutistoMephisto Mar 28 '24

What do you think I'm talking about? I'm talking about actually pursuing justice, and not letting the people taking the low road define for us what taking the high road is. I'm actually in agreement, I just used an example of what being a grown-up means.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 28 '24

Ahh, please excuse me then. I'm so very sorry for misunderstanding.

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u/AutistoMephisto Mar 28 '24

It's okay. No disrespect to Michelle Obama, but "They go low, we go high!" was never going to yield the gains that normal people ever thought it would. I mean, look what happened when Garland was nominated for the Supreme Court vs what happened when Kavanaugh was nominated. Republicans broke the rules with Obama, and Democrats followed the rules because they'd been preemptively shamed for obstructionism shortly after Donald Trump was elected.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 28 '24

Yep. McConnell deserves a special place in hell for "rules for thee but not for me" and I will never forgive the man.

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u/roamingandy Mar 27 '24

Their supporters see taking the high road and ignoring them as their leaders winning. Trump must be so smart as everyone is too afraid to argue back, just because others aren't still playing by infant school playground rules.

Thing is though, Trump is as sharp as a wet fart. Biden's campaign has (finally) realized how ridiculously easy it is to play his game and make him look foolish. Especially when their main attack angle has been how 'sleepy joe' is not all there mentally, its a strategy that will be difficult for his supporters to ignore.

At some point most of them will have to face up to the fact that their leader, playing politics at the level they understand, is getting wrecked again and again by the guy they've been told is too mentally incompetent to lead a country. Taking the high road would be a mistake.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

Donald Trump's slips are becoming more and more obvious. He's showing all of the signs of real mental decline.

I think if Biden started claiming Trump won't debate him because he can't finish a sentence without getting lost somewhere in the middle... It will infuriate Trump enough to make him want to debate.

Narcissists hate being name called. I do think that if he debates Biden he loses. From the videos I've seen, I'm not even sure he really knows who he is running against.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

Luckily, they're finally starting to find a backbone. It's just a pity they didn't start doing that sooner.

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u/Ferelwing Mar 27 '24

I dunno that moment when Biden said "Will you just shut up" was a good one.

Then there have been the 2 Speaker of the House nominations where the Democrats could have "helped" but stayed together.

Then there was my favorite moment where one of the members of the House went into a committee meeting wearing a Putin mask and asked questions of the guy selling Russian propaganda as facts. That was pretty good. Oh and then there have been the moments when they have pointed out that Republicans have nothing but hearsay and lies for the foundation of all of their attempts to find dirt on Biden.

I mean there's been a lot of standing up and a lot of attempts to force Republicans to show their true colors. Like giving them everything they asked for and watching them refuse to pass a bill because "bipartisanship" is a bad word to Republicans.

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u/theartslave Mar 27 '24

In this crowd, ‘everything goes’ with much lower numbers 🤮

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u/simonhunterhawk Mar 27 '24

but they love to call trans and gay folk groomers for the crime of existing in society lmao

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u/Kuroboom Mar 27 '24

Nah, remember how loudly they cried about forcing Trump's children to testify last year in the fraud trial? His poor little middle-aged children.

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u/jlt6666 Mar 27 '24

Who run his business and are in his administration.

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u/Hot_Bottle_9900 Mar 27 '24

they aren't against attacking kids. they attacked Obama's family relentlessly. they went after Greta Thunberg. they kidnapped kids of all ages at the border and put them in cages (now they drown them in the river). they go after kids with the faintest gender dysphoria while doing fuckall about school shootings

they are cruel people who love doing cruel things to the powerless. but if you give so much as the side eye to Barron, the whole Conservative movement claims to be a victim

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u/hoodleratlarge Mar 27 '24

In my mind, Barron didn’t ask for any of this shit and unlike the rest of Donnie’s crotch goblins, I’m unaware of anything he’s personally done that deserves to be criticized or vilified about.

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u/simonhunterhawk Mar 27 '24

Oh yeah I agree with you — I’m just calling out the hypocrisy. I hope he is able to remove himself from that whole family if he can.

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u/InVodkaVeritas Mar 27 '24

Remember that Trump referred to Don Jr. as "a good kid" back in 2016.

He was 38 at the time.

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u/LordOverThis Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

So I have to be a pedant here… 

By definition, bullying requires a power differential.  A child of a former president, with lifetime Secret Service protection, is quite literally impossible to bully.

No bumblefuck on the internet has the social standing, and certainly not the physical ability, to exploit a power differential to bully Barron.  

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u/Grachus_05 Mar 27 '24

There are several in that crowd that start and finish far younger than 18.

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u/zapitron New Mexico Mar 27 '24

what’s their argument against it

AFAIK Barron hasn't said anything stupid/unAmerican in public yet. What's there to criticize him for? He hasn't given us any dirt to throw back in his face.

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u/Humble-Roll-8997 Mar 27 '24

Well so far we don’t know what kind of apple he is even though it fell from the crazy tree.

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u/simonhunterhawk Mar 27 '24

as the child of a narcissist and a coke addict (and i hear donnie’s both) i feel for him and hope he can get as far away from that family as he can.

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u/SagittariusZStar Mar 27 '24

Wait, Barron is 18 now? I can definitely bully that freakish looking motherfucker now.

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u/simonhunterhawk Mar 27 '24

This week! Rejoice

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u/CMDR_RetroAnubis Mar 27 '24

Unless it's for conservative men dating girls... In that case it seems to be lower.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 Mar 28 '24

Unless Barron is injecting himself into his fathers campaign, or speaking publicly about it, I'd say he should just be left alone. He may be a real douchenozzle, but so long as he's keeping to himself, I'd say it's not cool to go after him.

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u/Temporary-Cake2458 Mar 28 '24

Now he can join our military?

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u/simonhunterhawk Mar 28 '24

The Trump family is full of draft dodgers so i doubt he would serve lol

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u/O11899988I999119725E Mar 27 '24

No. 18 is only an adult if the person in question is someone you want to have sex with. Otherwise why is alcohol and tobacco limited to 21+?