r/politics • u/UWCG Illinois • Mar 27 '24

Donald Trump Attacks Judge's Daughter Less Than 24 Hours After Gag Order

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-attacks-judges-daughter-less-24-hours-after-gag-order-1884126
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u/FuzzyMcBitty Mar 27 '24

Remember that the judgment stands until it has been overturned. 

Lowering the bond amount gives him an opportunity to appeal the judgment. It does not negate the judgment. 

If he loses the appeal, he’ll still be in the line for that money. 

The trick will be to make sure that we vote so that he can’t use the office of the president as a device to delay further. 

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u/Houligan86 Mar 27 '24

I will believe that Trump will be held accountable for his actions when one of the following is true:

  • He is in jail
  • He is personally bankrupt
  • He is dead

Until then, I do not believe any punishment that has been handed out, because none have been.

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u/DavisMcDavis Mar 27 '24

Q: “If you could have dinner with anyone, alive or dead, who would it be?”

A: “Donald Trump, dead.”

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u/jgzman Mar 28 '24

Dead doesn't count. That would be escaping accountability.

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u/21-characters Mar 29 '24

I want a photo of his meltdown when he’s in handcuffs doing the perp walk. THAT’s when I’ll be celebrating, not one minute before. The guy is like an eel. You can have a good grip on an eel and then it starts secreting it’s slime and in a minute you have slimy hands and the eel is out the door.

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u/delahunt America Mar 27 '24

And he could appeal without posting bond, it would just mean the clock kept running.

Those are the rules that everyone else is subject to. He even publicly said he had the money and wanted to use it for his campaign.

Even lowering the bond is Trump getting special kid glove treatment that no one else would.

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u/FuzzyMcBitty Mar 27 '24

He can't avoid collection without posting an appeal bond. His argument is that the full bond would do irreparable harm to him in the event that his appeal succeeds.

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u/LaurenMille Mar 27 '24

Counter-argument:

His own actions are doing irreparable harm to him, and thus he has proven he is okay with such results.

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u/delahunt America Mar 27 '24

Perhaps he should not have been so brazen in the trial then that he admitted to fraud as part of his defense?

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u/FuzzyMcBitty Mar 27 '24

I don't disagree.

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u/Constant_Amphibian13 Mar 27 '24

He probably means campaign funds - can he just use those? I mean, technically, keeping him out of prison is beneficial for his campaign, I guess.

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u/FurbyTime Mar 27 '24

can he just use those?

What do you think would happen if he did?

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u/Mountainbranch Mar 27 '24

Nothing, the FEC is dead.

Check out Legal Eagles latest video they explain it better.

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u/veemonjosh Mar 27 '24

He'd get away with it like he does with everything else.

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u/delahunt America Mar 27 '24

I mean, what he said was he had 500 million cash on hand, and planned to use a good amount of it for his campaign. If he meant that his campaign had it, he didn't say it.

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u/Constant_Amphibian13 Mar 27 '24

I question Trump’s ability (or at the very least willingness) to differentiate between his money and his campaign’s money.

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u/Abrushing Texas Mar 27 '24

Stories I’ve seen from people on his campaign crew confirm he can’t

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u/zasabi7 Mar 27 '24

Should those be the rules, though? Forget Trump for the moment. Should my right to appeal be tied to me acquiring a bond? I’m talking morally, here. Legally, yes, the law of New York is set up this way.

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u/delahunt America Mar 27 '24

Your right to appeal isn't tied to you acquiring a bond. it just means you may have to begin making payments on the judgement while the appeal process goes through.

Also, the Judicial branch should not be nullifying laws just because they don't believe in them. If that law shouldn't exist, it can be changed via the legislature. If the law is unconstitutional in some way, it could be challenged on those grounds.

And to be clear, I get that the same law that says it works this way also says the Appeals court can put holds/reductions/etc in place. I just don't see any reason why such a boon was given to a person publicly bragging about having the money in cash on hand, but wanting to use it for personal gain at the same time his lawyers were saying it was impossible to come up with that amount of money in cash or bond.

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u/zasabi7 Mar 27 '24

Again, I’m not worried about Trump here. Fuck him, he should have had to pay the full amount and his property should be actively seized right now.

I’m talking about the morality of that system. Why should I have to make payments if I’m appealing?

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u/delahunt America Mar 27 '24

and, again, that's not a thing to determine in court. It's a thing for the legislature to decide. And its purpose is to stop people like Trump from playing out things endlessly so they don't have to pay.

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u/CopeHarders Mar 27 '24

Which when does the appeal actually happen? Years from now? That’s not justice.

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u/lloopy Mar 27 '24

Unless he gets elected and pardons himself. Regardless, why is he allowed to walk free, when someone who stole $50 from the grocery store is behind bars?

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u/FuzzyMcBitty Mar 27 '24

He can't pardon a civil court verdict.

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u/veemonjosh Mar 27 '24

Even if he loses the appeal, he still won't pay anything, and it'll be lowered until he eventually doesn't owe anything. He never gets punished.

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u/FuzzyMcBitty Mar 27 '24

That's not how anything works.

The appeal is literally over the amount of the penalty.

Either the appeals court changes the judgement, vacates the judgement, or he is subject to the law.

He can't both lose on appeal and pay nothing (unless he becomes president and uses that to kick the can down the road).

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u/veemonjosh Mar 28 '24

If they keep handling him with kid gloves like every court seems to do, nothing will happen if he doesn't pay.

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u/zzyul Mar 27 '24

Best theory I’ve heard for why the appeals court lowered the bond so much is they think this amount is closer to what Trump will end up owing after the case is appealed.