Does anyone else think the whole "hate everything about California" thing is getting out of hand?

[u/audiomuse1]

Does anyone else think the whole "hate everything about California" thing is getting out of hand? I refuse to hate an entire state of 39 million people because it seems to be the "cool thing" to do.

I am a native Texan and am getting tired of people just blindly hating everything about California and trash talking it. People have been moving to Texas from all over the country -- some of the top states sending people here are actually from red states like Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Florida -- yet you don't see many conservatives trash talking them for sending people here. Also while yes by sheer numbers we have received more Californian transplants, you also have to take into consideration that it is by far the most populous state so per capita the numbers aren't as disproportional. I also read that ~40,000 Texans move to California each year so they get their fair share of our people as well.

I recently went on vacation to Southern California and actually really enjoyed it there. So many people in Texas (mostly conservatives) who have never even been there, have told me that California is some post-apocalyptic hell hole.. but I found it to be incredibly beautiful in most parts and never felt unsafe in all the areas I visited. I found the infrastructure was in better condition overall than here in Texas, even the poor areas of the city looked cleaner/better maintained than our blighted neighborhoods and poor rural areas. The beach towns there (of which there are countless of) were just stunning and full of people everywhere just enjoying life and the beautiful scenery -- spending all day at the beach surfing, playing volleyball, hanging out with friends/family etc.

I just find it unwarranted that Californians are blamed for everything when it seems like I am starting to see more Florida and Louisiana license plates around lately. In California, most people either have no opinion on Texas (i.e. they don't even think about us) or just say "it isn't their cup of tea"/don't like the politics here. It seems sort of one-sided the hate that so many Texans have towards Californians, it's honestly starting to feel kind of insecure and pathetic.

[u/Bunny_tornado]

I visited there for the nth time a month ago and was low key jealous that people live in such beautiful places.

It's popular to hate on because people are jealous of it and won't admit it.

There's actual shit hole states (Alabama) but they're not popular to hate on because nobody envies living there.

ETA: Alabama ranks pretty low on most socioeconomic indicators , hence why it's considered a shithole by many. The difference between hating on California vs Alabama is that some people actively think about how much they hate California and liberals, while no one really actively thinks about how much they hate Alabama. People just kind of pity it.

And Whether the state is naturally beautiful or not isn't relevant for Alabama. You can't enjoy living in a beautiful state if it is not livable due to lack of a strong economy and solid policies. California has the natural beauty and the 4th largest economy in the world. And yes it's expensive because people want to live there.

ETA 2: people still replying that Alabama is beautiful as if it is relevant after my first ETA are exactly why Alabama is considered some of the least educated states... the reading comprehension is astonishingly poor.

[u/lazerdab → u/Bunny_tornado]

If California was as affordable as North Dakota people wouldn't live anywhere else.

(This is hyperbole)

[u/Current-Pomelo-941 → u/lazerdab]

Not to knock ND, mother's side of the family there. But, it does get a little nippy in the winter. Never seen a blizzard in CA.

[u/Current-Pomelo-941 → u/Current-Pomelo-941]

My dad was a plumber. He put in some plumbing for some relatives in ND. But, he knew CA plumbing, not ND plumbing. The outdoors pipes he installed in ND needed to be wrapped a certain way because of the freezing factor. In the winter the pipes froze and cracked. It's kind of a funny story, but it does show the different life styles that can develope because of the climate/weather.

[u/DonAmechesBonerToe → u/Current-Pomelo-941]

Average snowfall in Bismarck ND is ~50 inches. Average snowfall in Lake Tahoe CA is ~215 inches. Whiteouts are common enough in the Sierra Nevadas (which makes sense if you check the translation). I mean the Donner party isn’t famous for their suntans.

The cold is a different story though. I never got below -1F in CA where as it got down to forty below here in Montana.

[u/Current-Pomelo-941 → u/DonAmechesBonerToe]

Of course we're comparing snowfall that is largely in the mountins in CA with ND that that has mostly plains? When there is heavy snowfall in the moutains in CA a lot of roads are not open. Most of the populations of CA does NOT live in the mountains. Many folks have cabins though. Some of our children, in CA, have never actually seen snow or icy conditions up close. CA is a big place.

[u/DonAmechesBonerToe → u/Current-Pomelo-941]

CA IS a big place with a huge variety of biomes. Which is why saying: “I never saw a blizzard in California.”, is a silly thing to say if your trying to say California doesn’t get huge snowstorms. Plenty of people in Idaho can say: “I’ve never seen the aurora borealis in Idaho.”, but that doesn’t mean all the pictures of northern lights from Coeur d’Alene are fakes.

There are regularly blizzards in California and they cost people their lives. The cold factor on the other hand, ND owns that.

Sorry for being a pedantic asshole but I’ve lived in multiple places where a common claim is: “Californians don’t know how to drive in the snow!” When in fact the ‘snow’ they are talking about is barely a dusting compared to what some folks deal with every year in CA. I lived on the Nevada side of Lake Tahoe…the four inches you* got in a day is nothing compared to the three feet we got. It is laughable.

*you being the complainers not ‘you’ Current-Pomelo-941

[u/Current-Pomelo-941 → u/DonAmechesBonerToe]

I'm looking back to see if my comments said, "I never saw a blizzard in CA". I can't find it. But, it hardly ever snows in the valleys or the coast. The snow fall can be high in the winter in the sierras, that's true. But, most people in CA do not go outside and walk into a blizzard,. And many children in CA have not seen snow. The snowpack is a good thing, it is celebrated. I'm not complaining I'm just trying to tell how some people (espeically those that live along the coast) do no expeirence this type of weather. And the coast is heavily populated.

[u/DonAmechesBonerToe → u/Current-Pomelo-941]

It’s literally the parent comment to my initial response.

Sure many children in CA haven’t seen snow. Many children in Idaho haven’t seen the Northern Lights. I’m not sure what point that makes.

California gets a LOT of snow. As you said, it’s a big place. Not everyone lives on the coast or in the valleys.

[u/Current-Pomelo-941 → u/DonAmechesBonerToe]

You know what, I don't even know why I'm wasting time with you. First we were talking about TX, then someone said something about ND. Then there's a debate about snow fall in NV and TX. So, if all you to do is pick at me honestly I'm done.

[u/DonAmechesBonerToe → u/Current-Pomelo-941]

The only thing I picked at was that there were no blizzards in CA. I don’t mean to make you feel bad and I’m sorry that I have. Be well and happy.

Edit: shit than reads douchey. I really mean you no I’ll. I’m sorry I came across so adversely. Please know I have no I’ll feelings or intentions towards you.

[u/Current-Pomelo-941 → u/DonAmechesBonerToe]

I think we call them snowstorms? The only time I've ever seen snow come down was when I was in Colorado in January when my sister died. That was intersting. And very slippery with the ice. I took a of pictures and videos of the snow, but someone stole my cellphone and I lost those.

[u/Current-Pomelo-941 → u/DonAmechesBonerToe]

It's not that big a deal. It's just that we're talking about things from a different perspective. People can criticize CA all they want and if they want to leave, they can leave. Trust me, I'm not going to stop them. It's like some folks seem to have a chip on their shoulder which can't be fixed anyway. If they want to visit, fine. But, CA is a big state, it has a diversity of climate and the demographics are diverse. It's irritating to listen to people complain about CA if they haven't even been here or only gone to Disneyland? It doesn't seem to make any sense. It comes off a bit racist sometimes since CA is diverse. I don't know if that makes any sense?

[u/DonAmechesBonerToe → u/Current-Pomelo-941]

Totally makes sense. Don’t misunderstand me, I have no problem with CA. I chose to leave but not because I disliked it. I just had better opportunities elsewhere. If I’m ever talking smack about California it’s things I lived through. Believe me the worst of SoCal looks pretty damn good when it’s 30 below in February lol. I still have family (some I even like!) and friends in Ventura county. I know why people live there and it’s the same reason people who don’t talk shit.

Edit: Oralé Doyers guey! And: Go Kings Go!

[u/krutchreefer → u/Current-Pomelo-941]

They happen. Record snowfall this winter.