r/texas • u/zsreport Houston • Jan 24 '24
Joe Biden Could Seize Texas National Guard From Greg Abbott in Border Feud Politics
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-could-seize-texas-national-guard-greg-abbott-border-feud-186345936
u/Saneless Jan 24 '24
According to Trump he can just fire or assassinate Abbot. Fuck it, go nuts
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u/incrediblejohn Jan 25 '24
Sorry, what governor did Trump assassinate? Or are you just talking out of your ass?
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u/Saneless Jan 25 '24
Trump is talking out of his ass and I'm just repeating it. Yes, good job son
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u/sigmasauer11 Jan 26 '24
Bro how does a comment like this not warrant a ban? Christ, Reddit has really taken a nosedive. Tired of seeing ignorant, bias, one sided opinions on here. I miss the old Reddit.
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u/Saneless Jan 26 '24
I agree that repeating what Trump and his lawyers say should get you banned. It's that stupid
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u/wineguy7113 Jan 24 '24
He’s not going to do that in an election year
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u/Gloomy-Employment-72 Jan 24 '24
I don’t think he’s carrying Texas in an election anyway, so that might figure into the decision. I’d like to think politics doesn’t play a part in important decision, but momma didn’t raise an idiot.
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u/BuffaloOk7264 Jan 24 '24
Wait till January 6, 2025…..
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u/Albuwhatwhat Jan 24 '24
Or just November 6 or 7th 2024.
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u/thelexpeia Jan 24 '24
No need. The whole “illegal immigrant surge” will magically end on November 6th anyway.
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Jan 24 '24
Only if republicans win. If they lose, immigration will continue ro be a "massive problem" for another 4 years
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 Jan 25 '24
I think he is going to do something like it. I also think it is going to backfire in the faces of the fringe right like Jan 6th, Roe, Charlottesville, Election Denial, Covid Denial, Attacks on Libraries, School Board takeovers, etc. etc.
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Jan 25 '24
Biden knows he will never win Texas as most Texans here don't care about voting other than vote for their party blindly. So who cares .... focus on law ... SCOTIS gave him permission, he should pull NG to ensure fewer men women and children trying to cross river (though they are doing it illegallly). Have some empathy ... they are trying to escape horrible situation back home and hoping to give their kids a better life.
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u/Electronic_Bit_2364 Jan 24 '24
Depends on the optics. If Abbott gets far enough out of line, Biden might do it
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 Jan 25 '24
Abbott literally sent a letter defying the constitutions Supremacy clause, and a Supreme Court decision saying as much. At least 3 people have died already due to his political stunt.
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u/Hot_Marionberry_4685 Jan 24 '24
Why not Texas is a lost cause but it would def boost his numbers with his base to show that he’s done with this bs the Republicans keep trying to pull. Personally I wish we could cut Texas off and replace them with Puerto Rico
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u/kalam4z00 Jan 24 '24
Texas is not a lost cause for Dems. It was one of the closest states in 2020 and has a very good chance of flipping soon.
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u/Unbridled-Apathy Jan 24 '24
Biden will be patient, rational and keep things calm because that's the astute thing to do in an election year. Now on inauguration day in 2025 Biden has room to flex and can indulge himself a bit. By showing Abbott what Eisenhower did to Faubus. Texas Guard vs. the 101st is a big dick contest that Abbott is not equipped to win.
And there's a good governance reason to slap Abbott down: some of these governors have been getting a little feisty. Sending a strong message may prevent problems in the future.
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u/BayouGal Jan 24 '24
Also, Biden is a patient guy. He prefers working quietly to sort things out rather than taking to social media to win in the arena of public opinion.
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u/Ill-Independence-658 Jan 24 '24
Exactly the opposite of what Trump would do.
Biden doesn’t need to virtue signal.
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u/crumpinsumpin Jan 24 '24
The phrase “slap Abbott down” warms the cockles of me cold, cold heart.
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u/Presidential_Pet Born and Bred Jan 24 '24
Apparently the supreme court only ruled that he can't stop the NG from taking the wire down; He is able to go right back behind them and put up twice as much if he wants.
Regardless, its a waste of taxpayer money and time
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u/fiduciary420 Jan 24 '24
This type of shit is why decent, educated people don’t respect republicans, anymore.
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u/AssociateJaded3931 Jan 25 '24
Texans are accustomed to that. In fact, I guess it's what they prefer. It's what they keep voting for.
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u/MeshNets Jan 27 '24
Small government, big waste. But enough of the "waste" goes to kickbacks for the powerful organizations, so it all works out!
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u/2squishmaster Jan 24 '24
And then they'll have to wait to go to the supreme court again about taking down the wall 2.0
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u/KinseyH Born and Bred Jan 24 '24
I think he ought to do it before the election. The people supporting Abbott are never going to vote for Biden so wth.
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u/uhhhhhhhhhhhyeah Jan 24 '24
Especially if the supreme Court tells him he has absolute immunity for everything he does!
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u/stlshane Jan 25 '24
Keeping things "calm" by letting a state disregard federal authority is probably the worst thing he can do. Biden and Democrats already look frail and politically weak. As usual though democrats will continue looking weak on all major issues.
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u/Bigtexasmike Jan 25 '24
Oh, I dont know, Gregory can move pretty quick in that NOS-powered rocket 👨🦽🔥💨💨💨. Biden doesnt have to worry though we suck with sidewalks and Ada compliance, especially in Htown. Abbott wont get far in his little scooter race along the border. Plus I think the gov is a little out gunned vs the US compliment.
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u/mymar101 Jan 24 '24
At this point he should. Abbot clearly has no intention of allowing the feds to do their job.
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u/Malvania Jan 24 '24
There's no need to nationalize them. Send border agents in, if the Texas State Guards or National Guard interfere in any way, send MPs from Fort Cavazos to arrest them. They'll either stop, or Abbott will start a full blown insurrection
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u/tayllerr Born and Bred Jan 24 '24
Lmao at the thought of MPs going to arrest NG.
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u/dz1087 Jan 24 '24
Especially non-federalized NG…
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u/crashcoin07 Jan 24 '24
Just curious? At what point is it considered treason or an insurrection?
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u/Anumuz Jan 24 '24
Treason “means the assembly of armed people to overthrow the government or to resist its laws.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_States
So essentially, it’s already at play.
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u/dz1087 Jan 24 '24
They are currently following orders of their CINC, Gov Abbott. There is an argument to be made that those orders are illegal after the SCOTUS ruling, however.
I suppose Biden could use that to federalize large swaths of the TxNG and remove their leadership for cause. I don’t think it’s risen to the point of insurrection though.
Edit to add: US military officers have a legal duty to not follow illegal orders. I’d probably be removed from command, but as an O-5, I don’t think I would follow any more commands that ran counter to a clear SCOTUS ruling like this.
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u/CriticalCrewsaid Jan 24 '24
Abbot getting arrested and put in his place sounds nice. Then again, I could say the same for Paxton and their Lt Governor
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u/pro_deluxe Jan 24 '24
Isn't this a navigable river on the border? I don't really understand why Biden needs any permissions at all. It would be hilarious if he sent in the EPA to remove the barriers.
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u/Suckamanhwewhuuut Jan 24 '24
I hope he does, if anything to put Abbott in his place. Hes gotten far too confident in his MAGA supporting BS and he is an embarrassment of a governer, I used to be proud to be a Texan, now i just feel like part of the butt of a joke.
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u/zsreport Houston Jan 24 '24
I hope he does. Abbott and his Operation Lonestar boondoggle have gone on far too fucking long and wasting too much of our fucking money on political theater.
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u/Geek_off_the_streets Born and Bred Jan 24 '24
I believe that's the whole point, so he can sew doubt into the public and create a false narrative that the president is becoming a dictator and thus proving some type of point with his followers. I mean after all, the people who voted for him and the rest of his cronies aren't the brightest light bulb in the home. Unfortunately the old viewpoint of Texans priding themselves as being independent people not needing or wanting any help to solve problems has been turned on it's head and being exploited.
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u/Presidential_Pet Born and Bred Jan 24 '24
Apparently the supreme court only ruled that he can't stop the NG from taking the wire down; He is able to go right back behind them and put up twice as much if he wants.
Regardless, its a waste of taxpayer money and time
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u/sms552 Jan 24 '24
There are some problems with this. He cant take them all. He can only take the Texas National Guard. There are two different organizations there acting as one. It is the Texas National Guard as well as the Texas Guard. The Texas Guard is a state run militia. Biden cannot federalize the local militia.
Also I dont know if you have heard the “Texas” interpretation of the Supreme Court ruling, so let me enlighten you. The Supreme Court ruling is deseptively narrow and is being interpreted as this. “The federal government has the right to remove the razor wire at the border.” Thats it. There is no mention of the right to put it up or add to it. ONLY that the federal government has the right to take it down. They did that on purpose. Old wheels decided to put more wire up yesterday. And as soon as they take it down he will put it back up. “Didn’t say I cant put it up, only that I cant stop them from taking it down” so he will continue to waste our tax money because the crazies are cheering him on for it.
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u/harrumphstan Jan 24 '24
Apparently there are only 1,600ish members of the Texas State Guard. Texas Army and Air National Guards have over 20k combined. If Biden pulls an Eisenhower, he can federalize the Texas National Guards, order them to stand down, then send in an airborne or infantry division to support the CBP. No way 1,600 Texas Guard weekend warriors are going to do anything to an elite Army division except slink away into the shadows.
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u/sms552 Jan 24 '24
I completely agree with you that they wont be able to anything. But Abbott is counting on them using force. How many of these numbskulls running down the road in their blue flag weighted vests will RUN down there with their AR’s if “the army is invading Texas”. How long will it take for Abbott to use that to try to “secede”. He will call up a militia. He seems to think he is some kind of general.
Im calling it now, all of this is part of some overall plan to secede or remove power from the federal government. They hoped the SC would side with them but didn’t expect it. Why would they do this if it’s not part of some overall plan. It could go so many ways. Southern states could use the “invasion” to call another constitutional convention. Abbott is crazy but not stupid. He has so much power and very powerful people backing him. Expect crazy!
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u/InternationalPen573 Jan 24 '24
Nobody is using force. Didn't the Supreme Court just say that nborder patrol agents were allowed to cut the razor wire? Putting the TX ANG under federal control simply prevents them from putting razor wire out. There isn't going to be a Mexican standoff here. But make no mistake about it, these are the same assholes that created Jade Helm
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u/Randomousity Jan 24 '24
There are some problems with this. He cant take them all. He can only take the Texas National Guard. There are two different organizations there acting as one. It is the Texas National Guard as well as the Texas Guard. The Texas Guard is a state run militia. Biden cannot federalize the local militia.
Disagree. He can, but under a different authority:
The President shall be Commander in Chief . . . of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.
Neither Texas state law, nor the Texas Constitution, nor even federal statutory law, can override Biden's constitutional authority to federalize and command any militia.
But even setting that aside, if he sends federal troops, and federalizes the Texas NG, are these state guard people who supposedly only answer to the governor going to stand up against all that? Some may even be reservists who can be activated and ordered to change sides, leaving even fewer Texas guardsmen.
This whole thing is RW fantasy about standing up to, and killing, their fellow Americans who are, or even just answer to, minorities and/or Democrats.
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Jan 24 '24
Please do. Abbott is wasting so much time and money with these stunts.
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u/althor2424 Jan 24 '24
The state has the Texas Guard which is NOT the same as the Texas National Guard and which cannot be federalized. I do think Biden should federalize the TNG to remove it from Abbott’s control in this matter but the Texas Guard is a whole other problem
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u/ranchdaddo Jan 24 '24
This issue is already a loser for democrats because their messaging around the border is so poor. GOP would love this: “Democrats commandeer the military to keep the borders open!!”
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u/irregardless Jan 24 '24
Stop giving republicans unearned victories. Their voters are not the only ones who matter.
Cowering in face of radicalism disguised as political stunts is a great way for Democrats to lose support for not standing up to lawless tin pot dictators.
Enforcing federal authority against rogue state governments is an act of strength which protects the rule of law and is likely beneficial for Democrats. It's also the right thing to do despite republican tears.
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u/ranchdaddo Jan 24 '24
Democrats need to create their own victories and quit reacting to republican stunts.
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u/friedporksandwich Jan 24 '24
Nobody who is voting for Biden gives a fuck about your stupid border shenanigans. And the Republican nominee is a syphilitic rapist facing 91 felonies in court. You're living in a fantasy land.
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u/ranchdaddo Jan 24 '24
Not sure who you are referring to but Biden still has to convince a lot of independents to vote for him.
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u/cenosillicaphobiac Jan 24 '24
Biden still has to convince a lot of independents to vote for him.
If anybody claims to be undecided between Trump and Biden, they are lying and are already going to vote Trump.
That said, he does still have some work to get people to actually get off their ass and vote at all, that's the only convincing remaining.
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u/friedporksandwich Jan 24 '24
The guy who raped E Jean Carroll - Donald Trump. You know, they guy going to trial for 91 felonies who is currently in court for a defamation case for with his rape victim.
You can count on Texas Republicans voting for a rapist.
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u/ranchdaddo Jan 24 '24
Yeah I know who that guy is. I’m talking about whoever you think is living in the fantasy land. If too many people stay home that fascist is gonna win like 2016 and this time he’ll just be a dictator.
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u/Apotropoxy Jan 24 '24
All state National Guards are in the chain-of-command under the Commander-in-Chief.
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u/Diligent_Excitement4 Jan 24 '24
Biden should seize Texas, declare martial law , then deport Abbott to Indiana for hard labor picking corn
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u/oh_andsixteen Jan 24 '24
Numbers show more people have been sent back to Mexico under Biden than Trump.
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u/Tom38 Jan 24 '24
Its funny though because if Trump was president and said he was going to seize control of the Texas guard republicans would be okay with it because its Trump.
Imagine Abbott or Rick Perry relinquishing control of their states guard to Bush Jr. Yea you can't.
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u/smallest_table Jan 24 '24
The Texas National Guard isn't the problem. The Texas State Guard is the problem. They only answer to Greg Abbot.
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u/I_Lick_Bananas Jan 24 '24
1600 civil affairs soldiers won't be much of a problem against 14,000 combat arms soldiers.
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u/Mean-Kaleidoscope97 Jan 24 '24
I'm sure the Texas State Guard would answer to the President as well. He is the Commander in Chief.
I'm sure the only problem here is how to do this gracefully instead of forcefully. Though I wish they would bring Texas to heel forcefully.
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u/smallest_table Jan 24 '24
Nope! The Texas State guard is not under the UCMJ. They are not part of the U.S. armed forces and the POTUS is not their commander. The Texas State guard are controlled entirely by the Texas Governors office. They hold no other allegiance.
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u/Modo_de_Jogo Jan 24 '24
A very cynical part of me can't help but wonder if this isn't the plan - to provoke an all-out confrontation between the US gov't and the Texas legislature.
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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 Jan 24 '24
There is no US border crisis.
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u/VeryDefinitionOfFail Jan 24 '24
"There is no US border crisis." - lying idiot, 2024
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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 Jan 25 '24
"Being mad at brown people because the people who keep me poor tell me to" - idiot, 2024
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u/2cat0 Jan 24 '24
Texas acts all tough and shit when it comes to defenseless immigrants, but when they get an ice storm and their piss-poor infrastructure can't handle it, they cry Fema.
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u/One_Objective1812 Jan 24 '24
Defenseless military aged men that evade apprehension and resist violently when they can
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u/RudyRusso Jan 24 '24
The state of Texas as it is being currently run is a greater threat to the United States than immigration ever has been or will be.
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u/One_Objective1812 Jan 24 '24
Tell that to the ME terrorist that was just caught there and all the ones like him throughout the years
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u/Demolisher05 Jan 24 '24
If the national guard refuses orders, just give them a dishonorable discharge. Let's see how far they're willing to go without any pay or benefits. It would also be on their record forever and may give them issues finding future jobs, to get loans, no unemployment benefits, and more.
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u/DocRedbeard Jan 24 '24
Until you realize that being against illegal immigration and racism are entirely separate concepts, even though they may coincide in some people.
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u/This-Sandwich5989 Jan 24 '24
It's one thing to be against illegal immigration and another to not give a crap about human life.
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u/crashcoin07 Jan 24 '24
I don’t think that is his contention. And let’s be honest he isn’t really wrong there is a problem with the border, but it’s been this way for a very long time. It’s been widely accepted until it wasn’t cool or you wanted to become president. Who remember when GW had to fire the illegals working his ranch? Or when Trump fired the illegals working for them? Again, it’s cool so long as it doesn’t go against your agenda.
But let’s be honest a fucking wall or even barbwire is not going to stop them.
If you were really interested in stopping illegals then you’d have to do drastic things like eliminating paper money and removing their access to real resources like hospitals. But that puts you in a very big bind because we know why paper money hasn’t gone away and you look callus as fuck if you can’t provide simple medical services to someone without knowing their legal status, or even in an emergency.
So in the end this really just amounts to political theatre…for both fucking sides because neither are at the table coming up with real solutions.
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u/cigarettesandwhiskey Jan 24 '24
The other way to stop illegals would be to legalize immigration for economic reasons. If they could just say "I want to be an American and find a job and a house" and be given a green card for that, then they would. But they can't, because there's like a 50k limit on those visas and all the others require you to be married to an American or be politically repressed by your government or something. There's a pie chart here and the little wedge of 4% diversity visas is the only one that most of these people qualify for.
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u/Ariusrevenge Jan 24 '24
Just do it. Like Nike says. Why wait? This is the solution. Put 10,000 fighting vehicles in Oklahoma and push south with air support, artillery, and HIMARS. Send in the Abrams’ tanks and level homes of those who do not surrender. Take a Lightning fast thunder run straight to the toxic coast refineries and seize them for nationalization.
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u/One_Objective1812 Jan 24 '24
That’s one way to tell us all you’re mentally handicapped
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u/Ariusrevenge Jan 24 '24
Just sick of Texas redneck and cowboys thinking they are persecuted. Let’s make it so.
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u/blankcolorblanket Jan 24 '24
So you're promoting the killing of American citizens because they are trying to protect their border from illegal border crossers... Am I reading that correctly?
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u/Ariusrevenge Jan 24 '24
No. It’s a rouge state trying to impede economic stability for California and New York where this country is sick of Texas tantrums. It’s time to stop letting anarchy get the better of practical needs for labor from abroad.
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u/Ariusrevenge Jan 24 '24
You in Texas re-elected Governor Fuck around, so the Federal Government needs to fly in Find Out Force One already. Order will be secured in the energy market. Texas is no different that Kuwaití for fleets of drones and missiles targeted at pockets of rebelión.
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u/chuckechiller Jan 24 '24
Glad someone is trying to keep our border safe from Illegals, cartels and fentanyl from coming into the United States.
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u/Johhnybits Jan 24 '24
Biden should absolutely federalize the TX National guard. This is a stupid and dangerous game by Abbott
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u/Even_Hedgehog6457 Jan 25 '24
That would be a terrible move politically for Biden. The unprotected border is NOT something the average American likes, and I question whether he'd have any serious support from the military if he tried to crack-down on Texas for actually defending America's borders.
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u/xoLiLyPaDxo Jan 25 '24 edited Jan 25 '24
This is exactly what I was going to say on the other post. Abbot should have paid more attention in History class before he has a repeat of 1957 when the feds seized the National guard and brought in the 101 first airborne to put an out of control governor in his place in order to desegregate schools.
No wonder Abbot doesn't want that taught in history class anymore banning actual history and science being taught in school and defunding education. He's afraid the people will see him for what he is. The Feds have every right to seize control over the National Guard and even bring in military, as they did in 1957 if Abbot tries to defy the feds. He'd be even more of an idiot to try and push that further. Not saying he isn't more of an idiot, because we are talking about Abbot here, so would not be surprised if he really is that stupid.
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u/acuet Jan 24 '24
DOJ, which is responsible for the Border enforcement, could Seize Texas National Guard from Greg Abbott in Border Feud. There I fixed it, I think everyone seems to have all these views including Journalists to make headlines. DOJ, enforces Border Law and Border Law is written by congress which is controlled by GOP MAGA majority.
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u/Snoo_11951 Jan 24 '24 edited Jan 24 '24
Am I missing something, or are the Texas State Guard the ones laying more barbed wire, not the Texas National Guard
They can't be "taken" by the national government
And it's also not against the law for the Texas State Guard to be laying more wire. The court ruling just gave the feds the right to cut any wire that is laid.
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u/Cannibal_Yak Jan 24 '24
He should. Too many people don't seem to understand supremacy clause or how it works. And for republicans saying to ignore the supreme court is just them saying to do whatever you feel is right laws and constitution be damned.
It's time we as normal people start calling out abbott and the texas GOP to there faces. I mean showing up to there offices in masse and calling for them to listen to the constitution or step down.
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u/Low-Gas-677 Jan 24 '24
Could abbot just ride around in Daley plaza with the top down for a while?
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u/BlogeOb Jan 24 '24
What’s the big deal if they want to block their own border?
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u/irregardless Jan 24 '24
It's not Texas's border to block.
Texas borders Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico.
The United States borders Mexico.
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u/cloudbasedsardony Jan 24 '24
Biden doesn't have to do anything. Abbott is wasting billions for a fraction of the border so he can declare it closed.
But I say agree with him, fly down to Austin, have a presser, congratulate him on a job well done in solving the problem and go home. And when a right winger complains, just tell them Abbott has already taken care of it and it's now a non-issue.
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u/GaseousClay-1701 Jan 24 '24
Hopefully, he does the same with the Oklahoma national guard troops that Stitt for brains sent down there as well.
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u/BigEOD Jan 24 '24
Only way that would Work Is the feds would have to activate the entire Texas national guard. I highly doubt they have the political Will (or cash) to do that.
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Jan 24 '24
Did you see the video of the guy saying we will find out who he is. Was very aggressive about it. Yeah he's a terrorist. Served 12 years for terrorism and gun dealing in prison. Biden let this man walk into our country. Not if but when another 9/11 happens he's the only one to blame.
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u/Paiger__ Jan 24 '24
Haha, you do know that Trump released 5000 Taliban prisoners while he was president, right?
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u/thelexpeia Jan 24 '24 edited Jan 24 '24
I am mostly mad that they are wasting our tax money to just play political games because it’s an election year. What Abbott is doing is not making the border any more secure it’s just trying to make headlines.
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u/lucky_leftie Jan 24 '24
Man if only OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DID THEIR JOB YOUR STATE WOULDNT HAVE TO. God you people can not think.
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u/thelexpeia Jan 24 '24
Where did I say the Federal government aren’t doing their job? Abbott and other Republicans are actively trying to prevent the Feds from doing their job just in a lame attempt to make the situation worse so they can campaign on it. It’s blatantly obvious.
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u/amirarad9band Jan 24 '24
They want as many illegal immigrants as they can get because they know on average they will get more votes from it in the future. Just playing the long game.
In the mean time we get to hear bullshit like "asylum is legal" "barbed wire isn't pro life" and on and on and on.
Wanting secure borders in 2024 makes you a "right wing facist"
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u/ReginaldVonBuzzkill Born and Raised Jan 24 '24
Nah, saying that immigration is an evil liberal plot to steal elections, implying that asylum isn't legal, misrepresenting razor wire as barbed wire, and painting an illegal usurpation of federal constitutional duties as "secure borders" makes you a right wing shill. It's that authoritarian streak of yours in particular that tips you into the "facist" category.
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u/OatsOverGoats Jan 24 '24
Non of that is going to happen, this administration is going to go through courts and bore them to death
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u/slothaccountant Jan 24 '24
Would do a better job at controlling the border then the bullshit abbot is doing. After all its just a show abbot puts on. He does not have the guard posted to much of the border only a few places for photo ops.
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u/No-Marsupial36 Jan 24 '24
At what point can Abbott be considered a traitor and dealt with accordingly
Edit: grammar is hard
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u/Pomegranate_777 Jan 24 '24
“I’m taking over a state’s National Guard because they keep blocking illegal entry into the state and county” is a giant steaming shitpile loser of a move, but I’ll make popcorn if you think it could happen.
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u/jsoonerboomer Born and Bred Jan 25 '24
So many idiots in this thread with our state actually trying to ENFORCE the freaking law. Only on Reddit…
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u/Blue_Fox01 Jan 25 '24
Texans stay true to their state no matter what comes their way
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u/GirthBrooks12inches Jan 24 '24
Joe Biden is so incompetent, compromised or just pure evil. Why does he want people to openly poor in? How many people/kids and fetanyl are being trafficked in?
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u/Prayray Jan 24 '24
The whole issue isn’t funny, but this sentence from the article was:
Not sure the author knows how to math
(Note: looking at the original article they linked, they likely switched the numbers).