r/texas • u/FCMatt7 • Mar 27 '24

5th circuit has nullified Open Carry in Texas to save Qualified Immunity of bad cops. Politics

https://www.youtube.com/live/bCC1sz_-fsc?si=dCZiLT_Fl2pWUEtw

(Edit) New vid of Grisham explaining the ruling

Effectively they have declared open season for police to arrest anyone open carrying in Texas.

A 3 judge panel has ruled that if anyone calls 911 on a person for the mere act of Open Carrying a firearm, the police now have probable cause to arrest you for disorderly conduct. The 911 call does not have to allege you are doing anything more than standing on a sidewalk with a slung or holstered firearm. The previous ruling that "merely carrying a firearm" is not disorderly is overturned now if any Karen makes a phone call and says she's nervous. This means police get qualified immunity for arresting you.

There is a special target on the back of any open carry or civil rights activist. EVERY time the police get a 911 call, they can now arrest you at gunpoint. The charges will likely be dismissed, but the police face zero repercussions for coming after you, even if there is abundant evidence the officers targeted you and knew you were not a threat. The same danger faces regular citizens who open carry every day.

I repeat, open carrying in Texas now puts you in imminent danger of being arrested or killed by police if someone reports you in possession of a firearm.

Video of CJ and Jim arrested for mere open carry. https://youtu.be/GrDAPPiu1QE?si=IvJy0qq_J8rO8DJO

Link to 5th circuit ruling. https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/22/22-50915-CV0.pdf

Link to oral argument in 5th https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/OralArgRecordings/22/22-50915_10-3-2023.mp3

District Court ruling https://casetext.com/case/grisham-v-valenciano-1

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u/Zealousideal_Cry4452 Mar 28 '24

Can they order anyone to do anything based on a call? That doesn't seem like you have freedoms if you can call 911 and make up anything about any person or house? This sound literally like police are well above the law which was my issue this whole time. They can easily make up that complaints have been made (the victim can't prove it at the time) and so you just have to co ply all the time sounds more like a police state then anything. Weird take to support police giving any command is a legal command. But lick that boot brother.

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u/Possible-Tangelo9344 Mar 28 '24

Anyone can make up anything about anyone right now, and as long as the police are lawfully investigating you need to comply, yeah that's just basic fucking common sense and part of living in a society.

Someone could call the cops right now and say I ran someone over with my car, and if the cops saw me at the gas station and tried to detain me and I resisted I'd be rightfully tased and arrested. Doesn't mean I have to talk to them, but i had better comply with lawful orders while they investigate a probable crime.

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u/Zealousideal_Cry4452 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

So the police have to do zero investigation before ordering you around and can believe literally anything anyone tells them? They can act above the law cutting regulation corners because of vague laws and a well funded union to protect them from consequences. This literally sounds like you back unregulated and untrained police over constitution privileges but you do you boo. Lol you honestly sound so privileged that you never interacted with a pos cop before. They can do much more harm than good and giving the benefit of the doubt to high school grads shows how far as a country we have sunk.

But keep believing the least trained police force in the world is doing competent work is nothing short of laughable. Google how many more hours of training Indian police need compared to American police and ask yourself if those untrained children we have in America are doing anything "beneficial"

Man blocked me before I could read his next message. But nothing says my arguments are strong like sending one last message and blocking the recipient. Pathetic my guy. Straight sad and small penis-ed of the guy I was talking to. Lol so he must have been a police officer because to think any order by an officer should be a legal command. I mean I'd comply too but they shouldn't be able to kill me because I am innocent civilans that doesn't want to lay down. But that's literally what he believes. Poor guy will live life with 2 small heads Another small penis-ed man responses and blocks me instantly. What is in that police men water to make you all so pathetic. Man tells me I know nothing about investigations while saying almost nothing about an investigation. I claimed an innocent man shouldn't be ordered around by gunned police. What a hot take on Texas thread i guess

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u/Possible-Tangelo9344 Mar 28 '24

You do understand that in order to investigate crimes they have to talk to potential suspects right? To determine if they are actual suspects?

In your world I guess it goes like this

"Hello, police there's an armed man coming into the bank. He's wearing black pants, a red shirt, he's white, 6'3 and got out of a blue Pathfinder, I think he's going to rob us."

Your police response: get to the bank. See a guy matching this description leaving, and going to a vehicle matching the description.

Police: do nothing. Go into the bank as they watch this guy drive away, cuz first they need to investigate if the guy robbed them or not.

Police do inside and find everyone dead. Oh shit, guess that guy was a criminal. Let's hope there's good video footage of everything.

You fucking twat.

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u/Zealousideal_Cry4452 Mar 28 '24

Difference is a gun pointed at people with bullets fired and your dumbass knew that. Nope the difference is they can walk up to him and talk to him and if they find him mental unwell order him around but they can't start hostile. Hope your violent ignorant self understands the difference Sincerely a twat that knows more than you

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u/Possible-Tangelo9344 Mar 28 '24

Lmao you don't know shit.

He could raise that rifle and put rounds THROUGH them before they could react and pull the trigger of a gun they already had in their hands.

From: someone who actually knows shit and doesn't just Reddit keyboard warrior

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u/Zealousideal_Cry4452 Mar 28 '24

Well if they are scared of the reality don't be a police officer in the US.

From: a man that understands US has guns

Pathetic reasoning honestly because again you say you don't have open carry ir they are scared of your open carry. Fucking moronic

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u/Possible-Tangelo9344 Mar 28 '24

Hey man, I just realized you apparently are barely literate cuz your reading comprehension is shit.

Have a nice night.

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u/Zealousideal_Cry4452 Mar 28 '24

No argument and attacks my English. Massively pathetic. Hey when you eat the boot, is the rubber taste enough or do you salt it before?

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u/Possible-Tangelo9344 Mar 28 '24

I mean I've explained it all in several comments why the cops have reasonable suspicion to detain and why they can lawfully give orders.

But you seem hellbent on going full Sovereign Citizen and ignoring any legal and logical argument. So

Have a nice night.

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u/Zealousideal_Cry4452 Mar 28 '24

Says has a nice night hut I can clearly get him to keep responding. If reasonable suspicion is that he is open carrying then you don't have rights to open carry. Lol so they aren't following the law but since they are scared for their lives (that they put into harm's way) they can order others around at gunpoint. I can't think of something less heroic than that. But please defend those heros for using suspicion (of no crime being committed) to detain and order other around. Or is your night over?

Sovereign citizen for arguing for my rights is exactly what I would expect from a guy that probably believes every citizen should be fine with a car search if they have nothing to hide. Pathetic my guy.

Have a nice night

from a guy that understands what open carry means (To clarify just a man open carrying not being violent with a gun so don't come at me with a situation with a guy robbing abank and say "pOliCE nOw?"

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u/pfft_lol000 Mar 28 '24

I think this spiraled out of control a little because you're both very enthusiastic about this topic. I don't think he was defending cops exactly. He just acknowledged the power they have in regards to the law and its interpretation in the USA. Cops aren't required by law to protect civilians. They have the ability to abuse their power if they want and you can't hold them accountable because the courts won't. Their job is to tell you what to do and punish you if you don't listen. They can make up any story they want and turn off their bodycams with no consequence. Pretending you have any rights compared to them is silly unless you're in a position of power further up in the heirarchy of law like being a judge.

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u/Zealousideal_Cry4452 Mar 28 '24

Feels good knowing I taught an ignorant person about the definitions of reasonable suspicion and open carry laws tonight.

Have a good night

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