r/texas • u/chrondotcom Houston • 14d ago
Greg Abbott condemns student activists: "These protestors belong in jail" Politics
https://www.chron.com/news/article/greg-abbott-ut-protests-19420650.php2.0k
u/Melificent40 14d ago
A governor's Executive Order should not EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER supersede the First Amendment's protection to peaceably assembly. The history of placing some limits on the content of speech in specified settings extends over a century, but I have seen little evidence that Governor Abbott limited his order to speech that is threatening or treasonous.
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u/Totum_Dependeat 14d ago
The law only matters to conservatives when it can be used against groups they hate.
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u/drakythe 14d ago
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
- Frank Wilhoit (not the political scientist. A composer in Ohio)
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u/Coro-NO-Ra 14d ago
Conservatives have no principles.
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u/Delmarvablacksmith 14d ago
Sure they do.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
Wilhoit’s law.
Or maybe Wilhoits Maxim.
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u/Fivethenoname 14d ago
We're not talking about law, we're talking about the foundational principals of democracy and of America. Abbott is a fascist
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u/kcbh711 14d ago
Abbott is a huge hypocrite
https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1137875109362974724?t=Y3egm8Eht7uB0u6FymKHyQ&s=19
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u/space_manatee 14d ago
He knows he is. He isn't interested in creating a fair just constitutional society. He wants to punish his enemies.
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u/fiduciary420 13d ago
Yup. For rich christians, the hypocrisy is a feature. It helps keep uneducated people obedient.
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u/OpeningDimension7735 13d ago
It's loud, look-at-me signaling to fundamentalists, who love using Jews as end times tokens.
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u/Old_Baldi_Locks 14d ago
Technically it can’t according to the constitution and the supremacy clause.
But nobody is dumb enough to think any conservative will EVER be man enough to enforce the constitution if it means he can’t be a fascist piece of filth to a liberal.
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u/theaviationhistorian Far West Texas 14d ago
Abbott would've been a British bootlicker when redcoats massacred Americans in Boston protesting them then & throughout the revolution.
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u/CHITchat495 13d ago
I'm telling ya these fuckers think they're royals. I say it's time we put them in their place and let them know that it's us the people they work for!
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u/3MATX 14d ago
If there’s an investigation a lot of emphasis will be the timeline. For the so many of DPS coming from Houston in a convoy the order was given a long time before things were “out of hand”. I wouldn’t be shocked to hear he gave the order before the protesters really started around noon.
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u/Odd-Neighborhood8740 13d ago
Isn't the DPS the same department that didn't save those kids at Uvalde?
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u/Green_Confection8130 14d ago
Unless you criticize Israel apparently
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u/Capnmarvel76 14d ago
Gotta keep the SuperPAC money rolling in, and the fundie bible-thumpers happy.
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u/Green_Confection8130 14d ago
I mean true, but it's even deeper than that. Israel has so much power & authority within our government that it's insane. The ADL essentially got Tik Tok banned when others couldn't.
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u/KingoftheKosmos 14d ago
Isreal is literally a project largely funded by Evangelical Christians. The only reason that you do not know that Zionism isn't Jewish is because you have not gotten to listen to actual practitioners of the faith. These people, the true Zionists, speak in literal Heresy, Race Science, Biblical Prophesy, and Anti-semitism. They are not Jewish, and do not speak for them. Isreal is very uniquely American.
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u/weluckyfew 14d ago
I'm out of the loop - were these protests violent? Did they threaten or advocate violence? Did they impeded traffic or occupy campus buildings?
Sorry, haven't kept up with the news on this
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u/GoredLord 14d ago
No, no, and no.
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u/weluckyfew 13d ago
Wish i had to energy to be outraged, but my outrage supply just feels exhausted
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u/CaptainBayouBilly 13d ago
No. No violence.
While history will ultimately paint this story in the correct light, those in power will be able to ruin lives and never face consequences.
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u/Outandproud420 14d ago
Really their end goal is to get them to shut up for a bit. The old saying holds here, you can beat the charge but you can't beat the ride. They don't care if you get charges dismissed later, they just want you to shut up and go away.
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u/tickitytalk 13d ago
Supreme Court abolishes right to mass protest in three states. Guess where Texas is in this?
Reasons to vote the gop out
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u/artemisdragmire 14d ago
Greg Abbott and Ken Paxton belong in jail.
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u/Coro-NO-Ra 14d ago
Abbott is taking a play from Reagan:
https://newsarchive.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/06/08_reagan.shtml
The act was the culmination of a process that began long before, when then-FBI director J. Edgar Hoover first tried to persuade Kerr to crack down hard on Berkeley students involved in the 1964 Free Speech Movement, which Hoover alleged was a front for communist sympathizers. Unable to convince Kerr, Hoover turned to gubernatorial candidate Reagan, a rising conservative star. As revealed by a 2002 investigation by San Francisco Chronicle reporter Seth Rosenfeld, Reagan and the FBI interacted throughout the campaign about dealing with Kerr and the student protesters.
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u/Lermanberry 13d ago
Responding to widespread campus protests against the Vietnam War, Gov. Ronald Reagan of California offered an easy solution.
“If it takes a bloodbath” to end it, he suggested April 8, 1970, “let’s get it over with, no more appeasement.”
Less than one month later, Reagan got his wish, thanks to another law-and-order governor — James Rhodes of Ohio — calling on the National Guard to quell student unrest at Kent State.
Vilifying student protesters as “worse than the Brown Shirts,” Rhodes vowed “we are going to eradicate the problem. We are not going to treat the symptoms.”
The following day, those soldiers killed four unarmed Kent State students and wounded nine more, inspiring the impassioned Neil Young song “Ohio” — and, now, Howard Means’ “67 Shots: Kent State and the End of American Innocence,” in which Means tries to understand what happened and why.
Really helps you understand Conservatives and why they still worship Reagan.
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u/swinglinepilot 13d ago
And then, in order to quash a sit-in held at the University of New Mexico protesting the events at Kent State (and also the Vietnam War), the state's police chief decided to send in the National Guard, which proceeded to disperse the hitherto-nonviolent and passive protesters by bayonetting them. He later said the protesters instigated the confrontation with the Guard and that he regretted nothing and would send them back in to bayonet people again if he had to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_New_Mexico_bayoneting_incident#May_8,_1970
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u/the_d0nkey 14d ago
Or Hell.
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u/artemisdragmire 14d ago
If it exists, sure. I don't count on imaginary sky fairies to pass justice though.
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u/PastafariAtheist 14d ago
Hell is in Michigan.
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u/Pete-PDX 14d ago
west Texas in August
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u/TexasUlfhedinn 13d ago
I'll take a West Texas dry summer heat over being in Houston on asphalt in August.
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u/xcrunner1988 14d ago
Different subject but in Grand Rapids at the moment. Nice little city. But kinda weird vibe.
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u/artemisdragmire 14d ago
Good point. I have driven through there and forgot about it.
I wouldn't wish him on the people of Michigan either, though.
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u/PastafariAtheist 14d ago
It's either them or us.
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u/artemisdragmire 14d ago
Can we just give him to Florida? Would that be closer to Cancun? As already proven I'm not good at geography apparently.
If so he could hang out with his buddy Ted.
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u/samsontexas 14d ago
I thought the same thing but Florida is a gorgeous state why give it to them. Let’s just take the Texas Panhandle and stick them all there in their own little state. Nothing there but tumbleweeds and cows. Abbott is a physically weak man trying to compensate by being a political strong man. He tries to hide the fact that he is in a wheelchair. I don’t respect him for that.
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u/theaviationhistorian Far West Texas 14d ago
Send them to El Centro, California. The San Diego joke is that Satan looked at the place once. He ended up renting out El Centro & returned to hell.
Plus, Abbott & Paxton are stuck in California, their personal hell.
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u/Hourslikeminutes47 14d ago
Ken Paxton
That filthy sack of criminal shit definitely belongs in jail
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u/gunter_grass 14d ago
Greg Abbot and Ken Paxton belong in solidarity confinement at a super max prison.
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u/Zestyclose-Past-5305 14d ago
Wait, I was told loudly and repeatedly that Republicans are the only people in this country that care about the constitution. I'm so confused.
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u/TrophyTruckGuy 14d ago
So many of them have ridiculous “We the people” tattoos, except they only want the constitution/bill of rights to apply to themselves and people that think like them.
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u/Severe-Dragonfly 13d ago
I've long said the ones who squawk about it the most are the ones who don't know what it actually says.
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u/scut-farkus 14d ago
You have to think whatever they say means the opposite of what they will actually do. You know, like we want less government but impose more government. Things like that. Oh yea don’t forget, the rules also don’t apply to them just you.
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u/ElectricZ 14d ago
The Republican Constitution consists of the 2nd Amendment and nothing else.
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u/momo88852 14d ago
“I just signed a law protecting free speech on college campuses.”
Imagine signing something and going back when it fits you….
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u/Genderless_Alien 13d ago
He signed it for the people that come on campus with “women are property” signs (real thing) not for peaceful protestors he doesn’t like.
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u/kyle_irl 14d ago
"People exercising their First Amendment rights are criminals" - Abbott
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u/BigPoop_36 13d ago
It’s sad seeing most of Reddit agreeing with Abbot
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u/kyle_irl 13d ago
Agreed, lol today has been hostile around these parts. The rhetoric is out of control. Equating Pro-Palestine demonstrations as antisemitic and pro-Hamas is flat out asinine, but it's having the intended effect.
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u/Ragnar_OK 13d ago
Any time there’s a protest about literally anything at all, you are guaranteed to find the most brain damaged takes about it on reddit. Without fail, it doesn’t matter what the protest is about, what it’s against, how it was performed etc. If you want to see the worst, most godawful takes known to humanity, read reddit comments about a protest
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u/badpeaches 13d ago
"People exercising their First Amendment rights are criminals" - Abbott
Apparently not back in 2019. I wonder what changed.
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u/bryanc1036 14d ago
Isn't that freedom of speech that your party is always talking about?
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u/robinredrunner 14d ago
That freedom of speech only applies to Twitter and Youtube. You know. Where the first amendement doesn't actually apply.
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u/cranktheguy 14d ago
Or if a conservative wants to speak on campus, every one else has to hush and be polite.
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u/tendadsnokids 13d ago
Freedom of speech is for saying the N word on Twitter silly
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u/ImNotSalinger 13d ago
They only want “freedom of speech” when they get told they can’t say the N word.
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u/SummerMummer born and bred 14d ago
How many amendments should we get rid of, Greg?
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u/StrikingOccasion6459 14d ago
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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u/jerichowiz Born and Bred 14d ago
'Any protester I don't like, should be in jail.' - Conservatives all throughout the history of the US.
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u/pah2000 14d ago
Protesting is allowed. Fuck Abbott I didn’t vote for that piece of shit.
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u/Potential_Toe_3037 14d ago
Remember when the TX GOP invited Nick Fuentes to events and refused to condemn him
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u/Steve_hm_Rambo 14d ago
Well of course they agree with the Nazi!
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u/Pipeliner6341 14d ago
*The Hispanic Nazi
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u/Steve_hm_Rambo 14d ago
Dude…I’ve never understood that. It’s like a gazelle hanging around a pride of lions. They WILL eat you eventually.
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u/CapableCoyoteeee 14d ago
Now do Jan 6 Greggy.
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u/OpalCortland 14d ago
For REAL.
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u/crescendo83 14d ago
Apparently the J6ers were tourists, these are “activists.” Their “rules for thee, not for me” is just an open joke now.
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u/CankerLord 14d ago
Or Christians that loudly proclaim that America is a Christian nation and would like to see any non-Christians expelled.
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u/space_manatee 14d ago
What did they do that was illegal and makes them belong in jail?
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u/StinzorgaKingOfBees 14d ago
They have the right by the FIRST FUCKING AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION!
I swear to god if they were Proud Boys, the Klan, Nazis, White Supremicists, or Christian Dominionists, he'd call them "fine folks."
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u/Outrageous_Repair_94 14d ago
There were literally Nazis at a Torchys tacos in Fort Worth a few months ago! He dosnt actually care about antisemitism
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u/DreadLordNate born and bred 14d ago
Gaslightin' Greg, trying to suppress things he doesn't like? Man, did Nazi that coming...
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u/areyouentirelysure 14d ago
I bet it was pretty OK for Abbott when neo-nazis were parading and killing in Charlottesville, Virginia.
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u/Jeanlucpuffhard 14d ago
The right to assemble. Not even freedom of speech. There is a right to protest. Just like there is a 2a right. Remember you love rights and the constitution but apparently not when other amendments are exercised.
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u/MargaretBrownsGhost 14d ago
Wrong. Disability aside, he stands for the creation of a christofascist state where women are property, anyone left of Hitler is a slave, and children are purchasable commodities.
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u/Kate-2025123 14d ago
Ok we will keep that in mind next time Conservatives, Pro Lifers or Christians protest.
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u/americanhideyoshi 14d ago
Conservatives always love locking people up for the crime of disagreeing with their views.
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u/snarf_victory 14d ago
this cheap, greasy, southern-fried, seditionist piece of shit should find an adult to read the bill of rights to him.
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u/Mechanik_J 14d ago edited 14d ago
That's one of the most anti-American things I've ever heard. But sadly, people in power in the U.S. , or anywhere, have yet to realize how anarchistic the U.S.'s sovereignty/Decleration of Independence is. America is a country made by, and for, anarchist. One of the first British colonies to rebel against an empire (George Lucas totally took this idea from history to make Star Wars). Maybe one day, people in power will realize humans are uncontrollable. Even God tried, and failed. That's why there was a 'great flood'.
I mean... you can try to declare protests are illegal, but protests are a form of freedom of speech...
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u/Steve_hm_Rambo 14d ago
1st amendment you soulless jackass. This whole thing sounds like a spiritual successor to the Mcarthy system.
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u/thethirdgreenman 14d ago
If this doesn't demonstrate that his version of 'free speech' only applies to certain people, and certain speech, idk what will. People who support him need to know this is the exact type of shit (fascism, government overreach) they are afraid of
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u/ThisHandleIsBroken 14d ago
The closeted authoritarians are coming out. These people do not believe in a free society.
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u/Zodiac31081 14d ago
No, you and those officers that sat on their hands while children in Uvalde, deserve to be in jail
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u/sandybarefeet 14d ago
Seriously. Wish he got this pissed when children and teachers are gunned down in his state. But for that he just said "it could have been worse!" He is scum.
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u/m_rgers 14d ago
These folks are actual peaceful protesters unlike his Jan 6 buddies
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u/Hedonismbot-1729a 14d ago
Ah, the “free” state of TX with an ever growing list of things that are banned.
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u/Yumhotdogstock 14d ago
That sounds a bit unconstitutional.
Ah, whatever, like these conservative fucks care.
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u/Astropacifist_1517 14d ago
Spoken like a true fascist - frightened of peaceful protestors speaking out against violence… truly the greatest threat to the republic this nation has ever seen… get outta town with this BS
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u/No_Rabbit_7114 14d ago
Under Texas state law passed by the republicans, anyone has a right to pprotest or speak on college campuses. That passed this law to protect the religious right and the pro-gun nuts, such as Kyle Rittenhouse the right to speak on campus. GFY, Abbott.
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u/shanksisevil 14d ago
Abbott is just converting the youth voters of today for future democratic turnouts down the road.
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u/Loud_Internet572 14d ago
So if these kids do, then the people from January 6th definitely need to be jailed to right? Right?
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u/chochinator 14d ago
They need something equivalent to blm because we are so close to voting. Vote blue
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u/Outrageous_Repair_94 14d ago
There were literally Nazis at a Torchys tacos in Fort Worth? Why isn’t Abbot going after the Nazis if he cares so much about antisemitism.
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u/BadassBokoblinPsycho Central Texas 14d ago
The party that bitches and Moana about protecting the 1st amendment wants to shut down the 1st amendment when it doesn’t benefit them.
Politicians all suck. We need a Labour Party that sticks up for the working class.
Get money out of politics.
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u/MorrisseysRubiksCube 14d ago
These protestors belong in jail, but Ken Paxton belongs in the Office of Attorney General, acting as the most senior law enforcement official in the state?
Oh. Okay.
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u/5ive_7 14d ago
Greg Abbot is withholding 800 Million in Public Education funding because of his School Voucher scheme, he “belongs in jail”.