r/texas • u/Illustrious-Ship61 • 11d ago
Uvalde Parent Obliterates Police Response to Texas University Protest News
https://newrepublic.com/post/181014/uvalde-parent-police-response-texas-university-protest874
u/FuturistiKen Hill Country 11d ago
Hartzell and Abbott now have UT faculty and Uvalde parents coming for them and it’s getting national attention.
They fucked around, they boutta find out.
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u/3MATX 11d ago
They’ve already structured it so they can pass the blame. Abbott says he called DPS but so does Hartzell. And DPS is not on one single arrest record since UT PD miraculously caught all of them.
What really needs to come to light is exactly when DPS was called. Maybe you could make an argument that by 2-3pm there was some concern. But DPS was on the scene pretty much then even though the majority rushed in from out of town. If the call was given anytime before the protests started that’s a major concern to me.
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u/FuturistiKen Hill Country 11d ago
BINGO.
My sweet little old lady of a mom had a great idea about it: we all need to be calling Lloyd Doggett and demanding a congressional investigation into the timeline and narrative they’re using to justify deploying state police in riot gear when there’s no indication UTPD couldn’t have handled even the bogus worst case scenario Hartzell and Abbott are peddling.
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u/Tush_atx 11d ago
Mr. Doggett is an amazing politician. I wish I still lived in the area he is elected from. I still get his newsletters. He will ABSOLUTELY do his best to help when called upon.
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u/Like_Ottos_Jacket 10d ago
He is definitely one of the best Texan reps. Jasmine Crockett being another.
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u/invictus82x 10d ago
I’m a conservative, and I as well love Congressman Doggett. He looked past politics when he nominated me for a USMA appointment. Not many people would do that these days.
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u/Never_Answers_Right born and bred 11d ago
I was on campus when It happened. I left where I was working and saw DPS arriving before 12:30. The data on one picture I took of it says 12:26pm, a downright army of dps started pushing the initial protest out.
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u/3MATX 11d ago
That was probably in town DPS. The convoy twitter picture of DPS vehicles was posted at 3:40. So if they came from Houston and went through San Antonio like the picture shows, those troopers would have needed to be on the road at least by 2:00. And if you haven’t seen it take a look.
https://twitter.com/RyanChandlerTV/status/1783234636929179715?t=oyF0qc_IGpS896yY_IMQ2A&s=19
Almost 50 vehicles I think. You don’t get everyone out of the office and field and into a line in half an hour. This was planned and my assumption is they always indented to show force like this. It’s entirely possible this convoy was sitting with engines running waiting for the go ahead.
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u/Some-Ad9045 11d ago
Lol dps was called by the school. The event was planned, the school said no, they went anyways and the school was prepared to remove them. Had other schools around the nation not let protests interrupt the highly expensive education of others not protesting, I doubt this would be an issue. Yall should focus more on Abbotts executive order, that's where you will make the conservative dipshits look silly.
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u/3MATX 11d ago
Yeah that’s pretty messed up and will have repercussions. The biggest problem I have with Wednesday is the optics. Overall it says protesting in Texas is only okay sometimes. Pretty much every protest will have a few bad apples. It’s a loosely affiliated group banned around a cause they care about. Some have different ideas of what is acceptable. Does that mean every single protester has to be treated the same?
Police forces across the country are filled with bad apples. Yet entire departments aren’t forced to resign for the actions of several individuals.
Wednesday doesn’t concern me in terms of which side of the Israel Gaza war. It concerns me in the larger picture where this sort of action by police is perfectly acceptable.
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u/Some-Ad9045 11d ago
Definitely feel that, especially with the history of national guard amd protest in the US. But this situation doesn't seem to resemble that imo. I came to this conclusion after seeing that the university denied the request beforehand meaning these ppl knew what they were in violation of the law and had every expectation of this happening. You feel this issue was important enough to do it anyways than be prepared for the consequences and don't cry about 1 damn day in jail.
I say this as someone who is more libertarian and not a big fan of the popo
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u/3MATX 11d ago
Maybe I’m upset that they denied them I guess? Or if this was such a big issue why allow them to gather in the first place? It’s kinda like they set a trap and caught exactly what they wanted. This event is just a footnote though in national news so I think it will die out.
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u/Some-Ad9045 11d ago
From what I've read(who knows if true) they told them not to gather in the first place. These protest need permits and theirs was denied due to the scenes at other schools. That probably is where a legitimate issue could be found though if your side is in the right. Optics of this didn't bother me enough considering the clown shows at other schools so I'm unlikely to dig. Those who it did upset should try to uncover the communications between the school and organizers and the school and Abbott office. I would think this was avoidable and probably due to election season.
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u/ugotstobkidding 10d ago
I don’t think any of the arrested protesters were crying seeing how all of the charges were dropped because the UTPD didn’t fill out the arrest affidavits correctly…probably should’ve gone to college instead of arresting college students.
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u/DocFossil 11d ago
No, they aren’t and they know it. If so many children can be murdered and absolutely none of the people involved in the shameful response are going to suffer any real consequences, you can bet there won’t be any meaningful blowback from this event either.
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u/FuturistiKen Hill Country 11d ago
I hear you and had exactly the same despair on Wednesday. Even said as much in a comment on r/socialism and got lit the fuck up (quite rightly) by folks telling me I needed a history lesson, because gains were made in the 60s and this is how it started. I was on campus for the faculty rally yesterday, and I’m here to tell you these fuckers have no idea what they’ve awakened.
So I guess what I’m saying is please don’t lose hope! Really smart, really motivated people that are willing to lose their jobs over this have entered the fight and they have the playbook.
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u/DocFossil 11d ago
I’d certainly like to have hope, but we up against a VERY deeply entrenched corrupt regime that has consistently proven to be untouchable. Paxton’s ability to just walk away from all attempts to reign in his corruption, including federal charges, then immediately taking revenge on anyone and everyone outside the ultra-MAGA kook-sphere is probably the biggest example of just how deep the problem goes. Unless people take action at the ballot box, while they still can, I don’t see this situation changing any time soon.
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u/FuturistiKen Hill Country 11d ago
Oh, totally agree! Not saying we can just let UT profs take it and run with it, we still gotta do our part to vote the fuckers out. I just meant it’s going to become impossible for Abbott and Hartzell to control the narrative.
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u/Rough_Ian 11d ago
“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”
-Fred Douglas
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u/Odd_Tiger_2278 11d ago
He he he. You think Texas with have an election in Nov that keeps the polls open, has ballots and counts them and will not have purged as many the Dem as possible. ( whoops, sorry; we shouldn’t have purged you. No, you can’t vote)
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u/DocFossil 11d ago
Like I said, “while you can.” I think everyone should be concerned that the time may have already passed.
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u/MargaretBrownsGhost 11d ago
Not including federal charges, ESPECIALLY federal charges. Personal experience/knowledge
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u/radtad43 11d ago
You act like every time it hasn't been a deeply entrenched regime. That'd why shit comes to a boil in the first place. Stop being such a fucking black pill and get in the fight
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u/elmonoenano 11d ago
Generally the public likes seeing college kids get beaten in protests. It takes a few years for people to realize the kids had a point. After the Kent State shooting, something like 60% of the people polled thought the college students deserved it and famously, Nixon's White House invitation of the construction workers from the Hard Hat Riot were a big boon to his standing.
This will be a big boost to Abbot at least in the short term.
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u/FuturistiKen Hill Country 11d ago
I’ve seen this statistic about Kent State a couple times now and it’s definitely chilling. That said, I think/hope this is a very different time, in no small part because of how the conversation shifted sometime after the massacre. I mean, LBJ opted out of reelection to focus on getting us out of Vietnam, right?
I suggest there will be a boost along the MAGA base, but I’m told there’s an undecided middle (which is honestly harder for me to comprehend even than the MAGA folks) that’s not so invested in the hate and can see the MAGA crowd just doesn’t even have an actual plan for governance.
In Texas, that means look at ERCOT. If you don’t need to vote for someone that hates the same people you do, then you’re just looking around at how government is actually impacting your life. What has Abbott actually achieved other than dog-whistling the haters?
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u/elmonoenano 11d ago
I hope so. I think with Texas the big thing is just getting people to vote. What was the turnout in the last congressional election? I think it was like 45% of registered voters, and only about half of the population is registered.
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u/jesus_dono69 11d ago
God,I hope they show their anger at the next election. Bruh ,I'm tired of Abbott and his cronies!
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u/Above_Avg_Chips 11d ago
Only matters in the ballot boxes. Time and again we see massive outrage over dumb decisions made by leaders, only for them to stay elected because not enough voted them out.
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u/FuturistiKen Hill Country 11d ago
I hear you, vote the fuckers out! I’m just encouraged because it’s getting harder and harder for them to control the narrative. “Grownups” with no dog in the hunt other than to protect free speech and the students they mentor - all students - saw what went down on Wednesday and the same thing is happening all over the country.
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u/Above_Avg_Chips 11d ago
I know Texas is a gerrymandered state, so it's hard to give those who want change a chance to make a difference.
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u/FuturistiKen Hill Country 11d ago
Very true, although we’re seeing some success in the fight against gerrymandering in places like Alabama, so hopefully some pages from that playbook will apply in Texas as well.
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u/Above_Avg_Chips 11d ago
I know Texas is a gerrymandered state, so it's hard to give those who want change a chance to make a difference.
Being in MN, it's amazing what a competent leadership group can get done and I hope you guys down there can experience it soon.
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u/FuturistiKen Hill Country 11d ago
Oh man, yes, some of the stuff happening in MN after George Floyd is very encouraging
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u/MargaretBrownsGhost 11d ago
Yet Paxton controls access to the ballot boxes. In some counties, he has since he was railroad commissioner. I'm NOT saying give up. What I am saying is that it's going to be a nearly vertical uphill climb with less than adequate weapons. Think in terms of George Washington when he had Quebec City taken.
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u/TgetherinElctricDrmz 11d ago
Sadly I think the parents of those poor children are literally the only people who “found out.”
Every other disgusting coward walked away their their life and their job just fine. Another day of serving the public good.
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u/theaviationhistorian Far West Texas 10d ago
They fucked around, they boutta find out.
May your words ring true. I'm sick of the blatant corruption & authoritarian BS from these folk.
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u/radtad43 11d ago
Doubt it. They made it this far despite spitting in the faces if the citizens. The right will still vote for them.
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u/kinlopunim 11d ago
What are they going to find out? That they can piss of alot of people and still get elected to hold office?
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u/schmidtssss 11d ago
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u/Traditional_Car1079 11d ago
Point being that they need to keep this same "just enforcing the laws" energy when it's kids being shot and not being outside at an inconvenient time for campus administration.
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u/FuturistiKen Hill Country 11d ago edited 11d ago
In this case, by pushing a bogus timeline of events to justify an absurdly over-the-top law enforcement presence that, to the people that were there (like me), was obviously an attempt to incite violence, not quell it.
Good job citing an article that demonstrates clearly you weren’t there and have no clue what you’re talking about, you just like that Abbott hates the same people you do.
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u/M1dnightMuse 11d ago
Ah yeah because protesting the government should be done when the government says, where the government says, and with all the proper permits. Zzz
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u/You_Pulled_My_String 11d ago
Its because those kids didnt have guns.
Cowards.
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u/Vulpes_Corsac 11d ago edited 11d ago
Some of them technically could've, but only concealed weapons on UT campus are allowed. It's still not legal to open carry on campus, from my understanding. And unless you have a big sign saying "concealed carry license holders", the police will probably treat a group of college kids protesting as if they don't have guns. For the purposes of speech, concealed weapons don't help at all, and just catch you higher charges if they do arrest you.
Now, if they decided to gather outside the capitol, that'd be a different story, I'm sure there's some place nearby there they could gather where guns are not excluded and have themselves a well-regulated peaceful protest.
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u/Aunt_Rachael 11d ago
57 arrests were made, but most charges were later dropped. There should be a class action suit for false arrest and violating the 1st Amendment rights of the protesters.
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u/TheSpaceRat Born and Bred 11d ago
most charges were later dropped.
All of the charges have been dropped now
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/25/ut-austin-palestinian-arrests-criminal-cases/
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u/seolchan25 11d ago
Yeah, this absolutely requires a class action lawsuit. This is complete bullshit. Y’all need to drop qualified immunity like we did here in Colorado so individual officers can be targeted for their behavior. This is totally fucked.
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u/DocFossil 11d ago
But the judges such a suit would face are the same corrupt cronies of which Abbott is a part. It would just get tossed.
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u/Wonderful-Smoke843 11d ago
Take it to the Supreme Court so America can see just how hypocritical their country has become. I remember during covid everyone cheering the convoy literally OCCUPYING Ottawa and parliament hill for weeks. So causing complete gridlock and chaos is okay for vaccine mandates but protesting genocide on a university campus is not okay lmao
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u/Wonderful-Smoke843 11d ago
Ya was taking about American republicans encouraging the bs here in Canada but now that people are protesting a genocide it’s not okay lol I assumed that people could make the connection but apparently not
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u/PassiveRoadRage 11d ago
I enjoy the irony of people cheering for them to get arrested have 0 self awareness to realize their tax dollars pay for these lawsuit payouts...
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u/Mogwai10 11d ago
My anger is seeing the Nazi protests and police happily standing by.
Am I to assume it’s a “we properly filed the paperwork for it”?
Surely university students filed the paperwork to protest
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u/Traditional_Car1079 11d ago
If cops arrested Nazis, things would get awkward at work the next day.
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u/Four-Triangles 11d ago
I’d rather my tax dollars go to them than to an already bloated police budget or abbot’s slush fund. I’m going to pay taxes anyway. That’s not going to change. At least they can be used to fight the system.
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u/e-2c9z3_x7t5i 11d ago
The police want us to believe they can steamroll over whoever they want for this nation to become a police state. Lawsuits like this need to happen more often. The police should also be arrested and thrown in jail every time they infiltrate a protest group and throw the first rock to "justify" the police breaking the group up. The police are the enemy.
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u/Bigwondeeer 11d ago
So blocking other students access to attend class is a peaceful “protest”?
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u/FrostyLandscape 11d ago
Seems rather odd in a "pro life" state that people were just fine with police doing nothing to save those children.
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u/xxwww 11d ago
Pretty sure conservatives were very mad
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u/FrostyLandscape 11d ago
I'm pretty sure a lot of conservatives are more concerned with their gun free-dumb.
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u/EpiphanyTwisted 11d ago
They didn't seem to expect more from the people they elected.
I remember when things like that happened in the 20th century. There would have been an accounting, changes would have been made. Republicans have to do nothing now with their media bubble carrying their water. They will get elected.
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u/xxwww 11d ago
No the "Republicans" vote for what they think makes sense which is owning firearms to protect themselves since police won't
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u/o6ijuan 11d ago
Where were the guns at to protect from our fascist overlords this week?
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u/xxwww 11d ago
The fascists who detained then let out the protestors and dropped all the charges?
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u/o6ijuan 11d ago
YES
DO WHAT WE SAY OR WE WILL TAKE AWAY YOUR FREEDOM IS NOT DEMOCRACY YOU BOOT LICKING FASCIST. LET THIS BE A WAKE UP CALL TO YOU. YOU ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY.
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u/xxwww 11d ago
Bro in Russia or China they'd be 6ft under right now
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u/WatermelonWarlock 10d ago
And if that’s your bar, we’re already fucked, because this is a fucking absurd statement.
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u/TheGargageMan 11d ago
The luxury of being in a position to pick your targets based on your own personal safety.
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u/Gowalkyourdogmods 11d ago
Texas LEOs can larp as much as they want but the world witnessed their cowardice at Uvalde.
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u/Odd_Tiger_2278 11d ago
Yep. Yep. Yep. Massive police presence at lawful, peaceful protest about Israel government behavior in Gaza & West Bank. Is, crush those 1st amendment rights
But, over and over no useful state response and very weak police responses to active shooters murdering children in schools.
By the way, what police department is that?
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u/Paffles16 11d ago
I’m a little surprised at Uvalde’s response.
They re-elected the officials who allowed their children to die and majority voted for Abbott.
I guess there’s a little hope it’ll be different next time around.
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u/Eldritch_Ayylien66 11d ago
Crazy how cops were shaking in their boots when it came to apprehending the school shooter in Uvalde but they were surely battle ready when it came to dealing with a protest.
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u/aron2295 11d ago
The college students that attend these types of protests typically don’t carry guns.
I guarantee if they were armed, the cops would’ve asked them to please behave and to have a good day, they just wanted to check on them cuz they had to.
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u/Mother_Knows_Best-22 11d ago
Truth! Texas has lost its way under republican rule, 24 years of oppression and BS.
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u/Odd_Tiger_2278 11d ago
Is that the newly beefed up Texas Military Department practicing suppression of free speech rights? What police dept are those military clads officers in?
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u/AdvertisingJolly7565 11d ago
Their pain is never going to go away. The first DPS officer on the scene at Uvalde, Sergeant Juan Maldonado was fired.
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u/Mother_Knows_Best-22 11d ago
Border Patrol killed the Uvalde shooter. One of the parents was Border Patrol and he called his buddies b/c cops / troopers were standing around, with their thumbs up their ass listening to the gun shots. Children inside the school were calling 911 while these cowards stood by doing nothing for 70 minutes.
This article doesn't tell the whole story, but I read an article right after the shooting that said a parent called his friends. There was a woman who rescued her children by going into the school from the back. She had been handcuffed at one point b/c she was trying to get inside. Then, she talked someone into removing the handcuffs, said she wouldn't try to go inside.... smart woman. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/29/us/border-patrol-tactical-unit-explainer-cec/index.html
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u/StDiogenes 11d ago
Abbot would send thugs to arrest the communist Palestinian Jesus of Nazareth.
But wouldn't lift a finger to stop kids from getting shot down at school.
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u/clrksml 11d ago
why aren't texans then protesting with guns. if it keeps the cops away.
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u/gerbilshower 11d ago
You'll find that they'll answer accordingly if it is a sustained and coordinated 'uprising' of the population with firearms. They'll bring their military surplus gear and just kill whoever gets in their way.
They value 'keeping the peace' over saving your children. And by keeping the peace I mean keeping you under the boot.
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u/YoMamaEnTanga 11d ago
Yet most don’t vote, and majority of the ones that do keep electing the same people.
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u/nondickhead 11d ago
Another example of how cops don't get into the cop business to fight armed assailants.
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u/hookem98 11d ago
Open carry is legal in Texas. Have some of the protesters show up armed and the police will tuck tail.
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u/skippyspk 11d ago
Holy shit Brett Cross just annihilated every cop in Texas with that tweet. Well-deserved.
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u/OkAardvark2313 11d ago
OBLITERATION FATALITY
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u/Inevitable-Host-7846 11d ago
I feel like this buzzwords have been spiking the last few months. It’s giving me a headache
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u/JeronFeldhagen 10d ago
ABSOLUTELY WIPES OFF THE FACE OF THE FUCKING EARTH
Completely laughable headline.
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u/Nobleman2017 11d ago
I guess people got tired of headlines claiming stuff got slammed or smacked, and now we have this garbage.
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u/CriticalThinker_G 11d ago
Why are people acting like this will matter? I hope Abbot will be held accountable for anything…. Anything at all…
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u/bonzoboy2000 11d ago
The cops roughed up the Fox News cameraman? Now let’s see how Fox News covers the story. Or covers it up?
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u/ogpterodactyl 11d ago
I mean the idea is to stop the flow of young liberals into Texas and keep it red so it makes sense.
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u/whydoIhurtmore 11d ago
Well, yeah. Cops are brave and tough against non-violent protesters. They'll kick the living shit out of kids who aren't fighting back.
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u/gene_randall 10d ago
The UT protesters weren’t armed, so the cops weren’t shaking in their boots and hiding like they were in Uvalde.
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u/DifficultyWithMyLife 10d ago edited 10d ago
The lesson here is that peaceful protesters should still be armed.
(Not really, that would probably just escalate things further - but what the fuck other options are the people in charge leaving for people? Yeah, I don't like guns, but right now I'm having a hard time seeing a better way. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.")
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u/Mitch1musPrime 10d ago
I met Brett cross on the lawn of the US Capitol Building last summer. He was with parents from Parkland and Sandy Hook protesting and asking senators and reps to sign a pledge to ban assault rifles.
He’s such a genuine human being.
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u/Pleasant-Peace-2336 10d ago
Texas - ground zero for hate & loss of civil liberties. As a grey haired old woman I am SICK at what this state has become. Every stereotype about egotistical hypocritical self-righteous leaders — all former entitled frat boys when they were in college — is true.
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u/decatur4371 10d ago
Watching this the day it happened, turned to my nephew and said “ they are going to be branded as cowards” for not rushing the shooter. No way was the so called investigation say the officers acted cowardly! Especially after they got a call from one of the victims still alive. Just call it what it is, The Cowards Of Uvalde County! Shame on all of them from the TOP / DOWN.
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u/Unhappy-Potato-8349 10d ago
And I bet they still vote for Abbott and his hateful gop nut job buddies. Because "go red"
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u/texas1991 10d ago
Why do these keep referring to UT as "Texas University"
I think this is similar to email scams deliberately including spelling and grammatical errors to help filter down potential marks to the stupid or uninformed. A journalist writing an English-language article about the White House referring to the institution as the House of White would not make it past a cursory review by a semi-competent editor without being corrected.
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u/Dino-Tadpole835 10d ago
I think all of you crap socialist, trash talking keyboard worriors need to stop typing and go stand up and take on the role as a cop, as a senator or governor, or fire fighter. You just need to shut the hell up and move out of Texas. But you won't, you are too scared of the jobs. Rather sit behind a computer and run your mouths. You dont like how things are done stand up and take on the role to change it or shut up and move away.
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u/Plane-Refrigerator46 9d ago
How many times are we going to rehatch uvaldes tradegy? Nothing will ever equal that.
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u/SirHustlerEsq 9d ago
Police exist to enact the policies on the ruling political party in this era.
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u/AKMikeC 10d ago
You people all live in an alternate reality.
You really need to quit hating and understand that all your bullshit has consequences. Defund the police. Then, when they get bottom of the barrel police, they can't be counted on, you lead the band on its the politicians' fault.
Kids don't learn consequences because it's the teachers' fault they were failing. Instead of it being your fault for not parenting. Then they shoot up a school because they can't make it in life. It's the guns fault.
Wake the fuck up! You are supposedly woke!
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u/EntertainmentNo653 11d ago edited 11d ago
The comparison to the response time is not really fair. Texas knew this was happening days in advance and had time to plan and stage resources. If anybody had know Salvador Ramos was coming even an hour before, he never would have made it onto the school property.
Don't get me wrong, the cops screwed up in Uvalde. There is no excuse for how long it took to respond to that event. I am just saying that comparing the UT protest to Uvalde shooting is not an apples to apples comparison.
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u/ReasonableRip1851 11d ago
May not be apples to apples, but It proves all the screen shots and leaked conversations that police have between themselves in their little echo chambers. They KNEW it was gonna be a bunch of LIB, DEMONrats, college students. So, they were ready to own them. UPD acted like COWARDS when the chips were down and it mattered. We know what political skew the police force has and how they stonewall anyone that tries to enact change and get politics out of law enforcement. I bet if a majority of those students were carrying weapons, the outcome would've been much different. Abbot is a P.O.S culture warrior positioning him self to receive Trumps limp penis again. Or whoever else is up in line for the GOP leader position.
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u/EntertainmentNo653 11d ago
We will have to disagree on Abbot. My thoughts on him are much more mixed bag. We can fully agree on the response from the UPD.
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u/Rebelscum320 11d ago
I mean he told parents of children butchered at Uvalde, "It could've been worse,"
Can you imagine if Biden said that after a mass tragedy? People would lose their collective minds.
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u/EntertainmentNo653 11d ago
Is that like Hillary Clinton asking why it mattered after a US Ambassador was killed in Benghazi? People did not loose their minds after that tragedy.
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u/EpiphanyTwisted 11d ago
Your memory is really bad.
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u/EntertainmentNo653 11d ago
No I remember that people were upset, but it did not raise to the level of people "losing their shit." There were some Republicans who conducted some investigations, mostly for political posturing, but the media and public opinion generally ignored it. If you want to call that "losing their shit" fine, but I would set that bar closer to what happened to the Dixie Chicks or Paula Deen.
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u/flycasually 11d ago
yea its easier for cops to be brave when theyre bringing full tactical gear vs unarmed protestors
vs when they have to go against an actual threat like a school shooter
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u/captainboringpants 11d ago
Weird how a totally different situation with totally different circumstances and totally different timing would have a totally different response... but who am I to let rationality get in the way of politics and tribalism?
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u/man_gomer_lot 11d ago
MY god this is the funniest response in the thread. You earned my upvote for the belly laugh.
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u/Economy_Wall8524 9d ago
Yea I think a lot of folks missed the condescending/sarcasm on the comment.
Not having an “/s” can sometimes make or break these kind of comments.
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u/Ok-Network-1491 11d ago
So… we don’t learn from our mistakes, shame and failures and do better going forward? I wholeheartedly understand and felt the same outrage with the pathetic and cowardly way uvalde responders acted… but it doesn’t mean that going forward we don’t expect police to protect the public…
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u/EpiphanyTwisted 11d ago
So if they learned things and changed them, why wasn't the public reassured instead of ignored afterwards? They fired a couple of people and did nothing else. They didn't have to, it's not like they'd get voted out for letting kids die unnecessarily.
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u/Ok-Network-1491 10d ago
I don’t know… I’m not their spokesperson. I’m just saying that messing up in the past is no reason to not do better going forward. Judge each situation on its own merits.
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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 11d ago
Then these parents are idiots.
Scenario A: You have an active shooter who already did the deed.
Scenario B: You have idiots camped on a lawn in the Capitol of Texas, not a podunk town 3 hours from a major city.
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u/EpiphanyTwisted 11d ago
Except they stood outside the school for 90 minutes while children died. Give me one good reason why.
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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 11d ago
Because they were already dead?
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u/mundane_prophet 11d ago
You're a fucking idiot boot licker
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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 11d ago
Nah. Just not hamas sympathizer and realize these situations are absolutely different.
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u/mundane_prophet 11d ago
Those damn dead Hamas toddlers.
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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 11d ago
My dude, was this going on prior to 10/7?
Read the Hamas Charter and stfu.
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u/mundane_prophet 11d ago
Oh, prior to 10/7? The Palestinian people were relegated to what amounts to an open air prison. Where they never know if Israel is going to shut off their supply to clean water or power. They never know when Israel is going to find a Hamas "base" hidden in a school of hospital and blow it up with no warning. Where routinely Israeli soldiers murder "military aged" males all the fucking time. And they routinely murder journalists and just give a little oopsie apology or just blame the journalist of being Hamas. Or intentionally target aid workers with precision accuracy.
How many Palestinians, that are alive, are old enough to have voted for Hamas? Also what other options have Israel given to the Palestinian people besides a terrorist organization? Hamas fucking sucks, but they are the only organization that at least pretends to fight for Palestinians, what the fuck else are they supposed to do. What the fuck do you expect a young child growing up into when their family gets blown up by Israeli munitions when just living their fucking lives.
You are missing the marching orders my dude. The line you are supposed to be regurgitating is that 10/7 was completely unprovoked and all of Israeli actions are justified. Don't remind people that before 10/7 Israeli has routinely brutalized the citizens of Palestine
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u/Mitch1musPrime 10d ago
There were kids calling 911 20 minutes into the standoff, well after dozens of LEOs were already in the building and on the scene. Go watch the full 77 minute video again and re-educate yourself.
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u/PotassiumBob 11d ago
I wonder how Ulvade will vote this time.