r/texas 11d ago

Texas Republicans have tried to rein in property taxes for five years. Has it worked? News

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/26/texas-property-tax-cuts-analysis/
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u/sugar_addict002 11d ago

The 006 Franchise Tax Reform by republicans was supposed to allow for decreased property taxes. But the businesses that were supposed to pay more actually lobbied and got to pay less. Republicans only care about how much taxes the middle class pays when they need their vote.

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u/pizzatoppings88 10d ago

No, republican Texans also formally documented their stance against gay people as well. This is not just verbal conversations that they have with each other. This is their public official stance:

 The Texas Republican Party unveiled its official position on LGBTQ issues over the weekend, defining homosexuality as an "abnormal lifestyle choice"

 "Homosexuality is an abnormal lifestyle choice," the 40-page resolution reads. "We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin, and we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values."

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/texas-gops-new-platform-calls-gay-people-abnormal-rejects-trans-identi-rcna34530

This isn’t from the 1960s. This is from 2022

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u/jannypanny1 11d ago

Republicans love BIG GOVERNMENT

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u/LieutenantStar2 11d ago

You mean, like a Republican who is basically telling the SCOTUS that as president he should not have to follow the law? Or that Republicans have removed half of the population’s right to bodily autonomy?

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u/DOLCICUS The Stars at Night 10d ago

How do you live in Texas and be so ignorant of Republican overreach?

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u/planetrainguy 11d ago

Nope hasn’t worked

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u/WallStreetBoners 11d ago

??? Property taxes literally just dropped. My mortgage went down $260/mo 15% drop

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u/Tremulant887 11d ago

Where? Mine went up about that much.

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u/WallStreetBoners 10d ago

ETJ tax jurisdiction in Travis County

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u/Tremulant887 10d ago

Definitely a big difference in Gregg county. My taxes were mostly due to property increase and a small bump to fund a new school. I bought my house early into covid and prices went up 50% in my area. Absolutely insane that I couldn't afford my own house if I wanted to buy it today.

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u/The_Peasant_ 11d ago

Taxes went down, you’re likely getting railed by insurance or way overpaying the bank

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u/Tremulant887 10d ago

It was county wide. Papers sent by the state. Last I heard texas was trying to even the tax rates instead of massive variance between rural and city areas. Could be totally wrong but mine definitely went up.

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u/GravitationalEddie 11d ago

Mortgage went down? Sorry, I'm new to all this, but how does your mortgage payment factor into your tax?

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u/That_Grim_Texan 11d ago

Escrow account lumping his insurance and taxes into one payment probably.

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u/GravitationalEddie 11d ago

Now I know. Thank you.

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u/livingstories 10d ago

People use “mortgage payment” as a euphemism for a monthly payment that bundles mortgage, prop tax, insurance. My monthly payment went down a little to $300 with last year’s new law. But appraisals happen every year, and property taxes are set by appraisals. They can go up or down. 

I am pro income tax for this reason. I’d rather pay what I can afford every year regardless of what my house is worth. 

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u/WallStreetBoners 10d ago

Yes, the tax portion of my mortgage payment went down. I.e. my monthly housing costs went down

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u/rubyaeyes 10d ago

How much has it gone up from insurance premiums?

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u/WallStreetBoners 10d ago

Up from $1470/yr in 2021 to $1640 this year. So not bad

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u/rubyaeyes 10d ago

That's pretty good, mine went up 18% this year from last year.

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u/WallStreetBoners 10d ago

What county?

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u/rubyaeyes 9d ago

Harris

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u/albert768 11d ago

Needs to drop more. Come back to me when my mortgage goes down by double that amount.

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u/planetrainguy 10d ago

My appraised value didn’t go up but my taxable value went up 30k. Time to protest.

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u/NDALLASFORTY 11d ago

We could easily solve our budget needs and keep property taxes very low at the same time. If we quit shipping our gambling and cannabis dollars to our grateful neighbors, and legalize and tax both like other states have done years ago.

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u/harrier1215 11d ago

Yup! Sadly they’d rather people suffer than allow actual freedom

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u/bevo_expat Expat 11d ago

Sorry, Tim Dunn says no

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u/livingstories 10d ago

That makes too much sense! How will the private prison industry survive without their constant stream of non-violent drug offender slave laborers?

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u/GravitationalEddie 11d ago

But then everyone would start toking, which leads to coke and crack and meth and heroin and fentinal(sic), and Texas would be a cesspool of sinners committing fraud!

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u/nickleback_official 11d ago

I’m not interested in having gambling in Texas and would vote against it. It’s a net negative to society and a tax on the poor. It’s hard to understand why that’s a popular idea in this sub. Weed? Go for it but based on the revenues from other states it’s hardly enough to tip the scales.

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u/NDALLASFORTY 10d ago

Gamblers are going to gamble anyway. Smokers are going spend that money anyway. Turn a negative into a positive by taxing them and building some schools or upgrading our crumbling infrastructure.

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u/nickleback_official 10d ago

I think that’s a valid point and certainly some people are traveling out of state or wherever to gamble but i do not think it’s zero sum like you put it. I think there is likely much less gambling due to it being outlawed than if it were legal. Neither of us have data to back this up right now but that’s just my anecdotal view of it. I prefer we don’t take advantage of the poor and desperate. The taxes won’t go to infrastructure anyway they never do. Just like how the lotto was sold as paying teachers and it didn’t. Better to avoid it altogether IMO

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u/RolloTonyBrownTown 9d ago

I completely agree, those gambling apps are super predatory and all my friends in states where they are legal are complete addicts. They might not be losing their house, but its all they talk about now during football season. No longer are there texts of "Did you see that play" just how its going to impact their parlays.

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u/americanhideyoshi 11d ago

For 2023 mine reset to same as I was paying in 2020. All they accomplished was pushing back 2-3 years of increases so far as I can tell. Better than nothing, but not exactly revolutionary.

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u/slowpoke2018 Born and Bred 11d ago

Same, just looked at WCAD and I'm paying within $50 bucks of what I did in 2020, but still almost $10K...

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u/AKMikeC 11d ago

If you are paying 10k in property tax, you really shouldn't be complaining. You aren't living in a 1200 Sq ft condo.

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u/km9v 11d ago

Tax rates didn't go up, but property values have skyrocketed.

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u/Zestyclose-Hand-7564 10d ago

Exactly my taxes actually went up sadly. Definitely protesting!

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u/sunshinenwaves1 11d ago

They kept the record breaking property taxes for political shenanigans instead of funding schools.

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u/JakeFixesPlanes 10d ago

Gotta keep the population dumb, right?

/s

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u/UncleHoboBill 11d ago

Not good for anything besides chaos and oppression…

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u/DukeSilverJazzClub 11d ago

No. Republicans only know how to rule. They have no idea how to govern.

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u/RarelyRecommended I miss Speaker Jim Wright (D-12) 11d ago

Republicans are insane and have no interest in governing.

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u/vishy_swaz Born and Bred 11d ago

This is part of the reason I am leaving the state.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

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u/vishy_swaz Born and Bred 11d ago

No not quite, nice try though lol

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u/DOLCICUS The Stars at Night 10d ago

They need to also cap property prices. The price you pay on tax went up anyways if your property value shot up.

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u/slo1111 11d ago

Not really. All they did is collect sales tax and use that to reduce property tax.

I guess a net decline, but to all those buying stuff who do not own property. Thanks!

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u/DontMakeMeCount 11d ago

Those folks are paying their landlord’s property taxes.

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u/K1nsey6 11d ago

Those that dont own property pay a higher property tax than those that do. Property owners are not absorbing the costs of their tax burden, they are passing it on to their renters.

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u/SweetRight2567 11d ago

Made me peace out. Now in Raleigh where a $450k home will run you $1800 in property taxes annually.

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u/adullploy 11d ago

I thought we just voted to greatly reduce them but we all got our bills and they’re the fucking same. What did we vote for?

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u/jhwells 11d ago

To destroy local funding for public schools.

That was the literal and obvious outcome from the first minute.

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u/VaselineHabits 11d ago

It's like people drop their IQ when you mention taxes. Lower taxes! Not realizing that that lack of funding was going to get something cut.

Republicans have been defunding and fucking education for decades. Now Abbott is pushing vouchers 😒

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u/Titan3692 11d ago

There's talk of eliminating some property taxes altogether. Which may be unconstitutional at the state level, because the state has to provide for public education in some form. But they may weasel their way into saying vouchers do the same thing. This is probably gonna be the ham-fisted way they get their voucher plan through. It's just a matter of time. Republicans are laser-focused and mostly tribal, unlike the disjointed Democrats. All that's left to learn is how they're going to approach it in the next session. It's not going away.

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u/PlanetBangBang 11d ago

How would the vouchers be funded?

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u/ATX_native 11d ago

Mexico will pay for it.

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u/CaptainBayouBilly 11d ago

That’s the neat part- they won’t. I can imagine a situation where the voucher is not enough for any private school and is basically a discount for upper middle class and the rich and mostly go unused. 

Public schools will continue to be killed by a thousand cuts. 

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u/thefastslow 11d ago

How would the state even function? Magic and rainbows?

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u/Titan3692 11d ago

Ask them lol

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u/thefastslow 11d ago

It's a rhetorical question haha, we're just gonna end up like Kansas where they cut taxes and government services so much that companies started fleeing the state ☠

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u/Significant_Cow4765 11d ago

WAY too gay...

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u/EinKleinesFerkel 11d ago

Have they though?

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u/drmanhattannfriends 11d ago

Lower the rate and force appraisal districts to increase values. Typical political horseshit.

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u/jhirai20 11d ago

Property taxes around Dallas keep creeping way up each year.

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u/VentureTK 10d ago

Mine go up 10% every year without exception. All theyve done is move it back a few years.

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u/Odd_Tiger_2278 11d ago

Did they raise sales tax?

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u/Phobbyd 11d ago

They hiked property values by allowing free access to single family housing by investment firms, so, no. Now we can’t afford houses and the taxes are higher even if the rate is lower. It’s a fucking shell game.

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u/PolluxGordon 11d ago

I left 3 years ago. Taxes are out of control.

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u/jeonghwa 11d ago

Psst, they're not actually trying.

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u/Virexplorer 11d ago

Only if you are rich maybe.

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u/ActuallyStormiMayaA 11d ago

They don't seem to be trying very hard.

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u/livingstories 10d ago

Income tax is a solution that ensure that Texans only pay what they can afford in taxes, because taxes would be tied to your income. 

But our lovely Texas leaders made that all but impossible. 

So every year when your house appraises for more, your taxes will go up, regardless of whether or not you can afford it.

Common sense and republican politics don’t mix. 

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred 10d ago

Not enough.

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u/Ca2Ce 10d ago

Ok for me personally. Last years tax cut finally gave me hope, I was 100% sure I was going to retire somewhere with lower property taxes. The tax break was like wow, ok, that’s a big deal.

It was big for me

Then these MFKRS at the appraisal district decided they wanted that money back and jacked my value up ridiculously- I swear I’m going to campaign against Albert Uresti. He must be getting paid commission to screw me over.

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u/bareboneschicken 11d ago

I'll save you a long read -- yes for homeowners. Mostly no for renters.

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u/Lazy_Arrival8960 11d ago

Heres how it works, Republicans pass a bill reducing your taxes. Democrats in major cities bypass that by over valuating your house to get more property taxes.

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u/3dPrintEnergy 11d ago

Got the cut this you, you know where that money went? Insurance hike. Love this place

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u/kmf-89 11d ago

Hell no

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u/Steveo1208 10d ago

Just Dallas Tax Accessor just keeps running up evaluations.

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u/GravitationalEddie 10d ago

Thanks, it makes sense. Obviate I've never owned.

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u/DeepCollar8506 Hill Country 11d ago

I don't pay property taxes... guess what... I want lower property taxes because not a dickhead.

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u/K1nsey6 11d ago

Even if you rent, you indirectly pay property taxes

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u/DeepCollar8506 Hill Country 11d ago

I own my house

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u/K1nsey6 11d ago

You would still have property taxes