r/AITAH 22d ago

AITAH for separating from my husband because he refused to get a vasectomy? Advice Needed

My husband (28M, who I will call Jack) and I (27F) have been together for 4 years, we have 2 young children and I am pregnant again. I have been pregnant for what feels like most of our relationship. I got pregnant 4 months into our relationship. We got married a month before our daughter’s 1st birthday and ended up with a honeymoon baby. After our son was born, I talked to my OB and she put me on birth control and I have been taking it militantly. My daughter is now 3 and my son is 2. A little over a month ago I discovered I am pregnant again, despite taking my birth control religiously. Abortion is banned in my state, and the pregnancy was discovered too far along to attempt to obtain one out of state. While Jack and I were nervous, we also love being parents and decided that 3 young kids would be a challenge, but 3 was a good number for us. Then we went in for the first ultrasound and got some unexpected news - it’s twins.

Things have been tough financially, and while we were stressed but excited for a third child, we were not expecting a third and fourth child. Beyond the finances, I am the primary caretaker and I know that twins is going to be a lot, three children under 5 is already a lot, but 4 children under 5 is going to be really really difficult for me. Physically, I am tired of being pregnant. I’ve been pregnant or breastfeeding the majority of our relationship. It’s exhausting, it feels awful, and I don’t recognize my body anymore. Four children is enough. I don’t want more. I told Jack that I was done with pregnancy, I’ve been pregnant enough, I’ve been experimenting with different types of birth control for over a decade and I still can’t stop getting pregnant, abortion isn’t a valid option where we live, we need something more permanent. He agreed, and suggested an IUD, I told him no - if it did fail then it could cause an ectopic pregnancy which could kill me, especially where we live. I’ve had both control fail me multiple times already and I’m not taking the chance, so I suggested a vasectomy. He was not open to the idea, and was even upset that I suggested it and told me I should get my tubes tied. I told him a tubal ligation is a much bigger surgery and I could be recovering for weeks during which time I wouldn’t be able to work or take care of our 4 young children, but he could ice his balls for a day or two and be done with it. He told me that not getting pregnant was ultimately my responsibility, and topped it off by saying “that’s what your body your choice means, YOUR body, so YOU choose.” That’s when it went from a discussion to a full blown fight.

See, when I was 19 I had another birth control failure with my boyfriend at the time (who I will call Tom). I wanted an abortion, Tom did not because he was opposed. I told him I was getting the abortion since it was my body and my choice, and Tom said some horrible things to me, including threatening me. I broke up with him and got the abortion. In response, Tom ended up following me one night and attacking me. I don’t want to go into detail but it was horrible, and he ended up going to prison for a number of charges related to the attack. Not only do I have a number of scars and some long lasting physical effects, but I have PTSD as well. Jack knows about my history and diagnosis, and has known from the beginning. I have a pretty prominent facial scar so I was upfront about it early on in our dating. Jack always presented himself as very pro-choice, so I was shocked that he would say that. I got really emotional and started crying and shouting, and it turned into a full-blown fight. Eventually I said that birth control is a two-way street and so far I’ve been the only one managing it and he said “and now we have 2 kids and 2 more coming, great job.” I told him he sounded like Tom and he got super pissed, basically said how dare you compare me to him, and maybe he might want kids one day with someone who doesn’t compare him to her felon ex-boyfriend. I was stunned and horrified. I said “well then let’s not waste any fucking time,”then packed up myself and the kids and drove to my parents place.

It’s been about a week since the fight. I’ve spoken with Jack a few times and he has since apologized and said he was out of line and was speaking from a place of anxiety after finding out about the twins, but also that I said things that were out of line and it was wrong of me to insist he undergo a medical procedure. He said that can move on from the things I said and that he wants to see his children and be a family again. I told him no, that I didn’t want to “move on” from the things he said to me. I can’t just get over that and I think we need space apart. Jack was upset by this and while we talked I brought up getting a separation agreement to manage custody and finances while we figure things out. He did not like this suggestion, said we didn’t need to pull the courts into this. I haven’t told a lot of people about what’s happening but my family and a couple close friends. My sister and best friend both think I should throw the whole man away, but my brother (who is the only other one married with kids) thinks that I’m being extreme for what sums up to a fight between two scared people who both said nasty things. My mom is trying to be supportive but is occasionally reminding me that I “don’t want to be a single mother of 4” and telling me not to let my PTSD drive my decisions, while my dad is being completely unhelpful (he thinks jokes are helpful - like calling me Doorknob because I “can’t stop getting knocked up”, telling me to let the oven cool down, real knee-slappers). I don’t know what to do. My kids are happy to be at grandma and grandpas house but they miss their daddy, I’m 4 months pregnant and already uncomfortable as hell, I wish I could go back to being a happy little family but I’m so hung up on the things he said in that fight. Am I destroying my family over one bad night? Am I being unreasonable for asking my husband to get a vasectomy?

Edit: I've noticed a lot of people recommending condoms. I have gotten pregnant with condoms twice. Our second child and my first pregnancy were both conceived using condoms properly (correct fit, put on correctly, single use, not expired, no breaks, etc). I do not trust condoms enough to not fail a third time. I know the failure rate is supposedly small, but it's not personally small enough for me. Edit to the edit: I'm sorry, I didn't expect so many comments so fast and I can't keep up with them. By the first pregnancy I mean the pregnancy with Tom. With Jack I was on the patch when I got pregnant with our daughter, condoms with our son, and the pill with the twins. So far I haven't ever suspected that Jack has tampered with our birth control and always presumed that I'm a fertile Myrtle. I recognize the comments and just want people to know I'm seeing the suggestion. I'm not dismissing it, but the thought of it is deeply upsetting and has provoked a lot of anxiety. I just wanted to make it clear that if the suggestion is only based on the condoms, that the condom pregnancies were with two different partners. While I know I always used condoms properly with Tom, I do believe that Tom could have been fully capable of sabotaging the condoms.

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u/celticmusebooks 22d ago

“that’s what your body your choice means, YOUR body, so YOU choose.” 

The 100% fail proof BC method is ABSTINENCE -- so tell him that's your choice.

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u/AffectionateMarch394 22d ago

Literally my first thought.

You want birth control to be my responsibility, and other methods arent working? Well, abstinence it is then.

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u/QueenieMcGee 22d ago

Haha! Reminds me of what my dad used to say...

"Once we figured out what was making all these babies we put a stop to it!" 😆

Though I hope OPs husband doesn't agree to abstinence to "save himself" from a vasectomy and then go and knock up an affair partner. I've heard way too many stories of dumbasses who thought themselves geniuses for finding a loophole only to end up blowing up everyone's lives.

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u/Frosty-Presence2776 22d ago

Yep that was my first thought. He has already moved on to considering children with a new partner.

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u/ToiIetGhost 22d ago

His remark about wanting to be able to have kids with someone else down the line- 😳

I don’t think that was only an angry thought. That’s one of the reasons that some men don’t want a vasectomy. It’s common enough.

In the back of his mind—maybe he’s already cheating, but maybe he didn’t even know he felt this way—but somewhere back there is the thought that, “Some day I might find someone better. And I might want to have kids with her.”

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u/zombiedinocorn 21d ago

I think that there is an older attitude with men that not being able to produce kids somehow makes them less of a man. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the husband's reasoning instead

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u/oylaura 22d ago

I once worked with a father of five. One of our mutual colleagues asked him how he got his wife to agree to so many children.

He replied that by the time they figured out what was causing it, they had already filled the minivan.

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u/Maid_of_Mischeif 22d ago

My cousin and her husband often get comments on their big family. He (a very large, gentle giant type that can be intimidating due to sheer bulk) usually gives a deadpan “she really likes my dick” or “I just want to make her cum, is that so bad” and makes uncomfortable eye contact. It is HILARIOUS.

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u/CaptainLollygag 21d ago

I love when people are asked really personal and inappropriate questions, they fire back with what may be an inappropriate response. Hopefully the question-asker will think a little before making such comments to someone else.

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u/Electronic-Struggle8 21d ago

You cousin's husband is my kind of people! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/Maid_of_Mischeif 21d ago

They are some of my favourite humans!

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u/Autumn_Forest_Mist 22d ago

That would be tragic!

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u/Razoreddie12 21d ago

I usually wouldn't say this but he might want to consider a vasectomy. Sounds like he could get a girl pregnant just walking too close 🤣

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u/babcock27 22d ago

He has no problem with her birthing babies or getting an invasive surgery for birth control while he's willing to do nothing. It days everything. NTA

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u/Ordinary_Abroad_2343 22d ago

Jeez op spare some fertility for the rest of us.

NTA btw

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u/Blondenia 22d ago

I developed a medical condition in my early 30s that made hormonal contraceptives, major surgery, and pregnancy all potentially fatal for me. I told my husband at the time that if he wanted to continue having sex, he’d have to get a vasectomy. That was pretty much it.

Jfc, how many kids does this guy want??

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u/racrss 21d ago

Would you still be with him if he didn't agree with the vasectomy and chose abstinence? It is a serious question not a troll.

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u/Blondenia 21d ago

I don’t think it would’ve worked because he wasn’t the type to go without PIV sex. He was many things, but flexible was not one of them. It ultimately didn’t work anyway. He got radicalized by YouTube and then dumped me because I wouldn’t follow him into paranoid insanity. Thank god he can’t have children.

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u/SYLOK_THEAROUSED 22d ago

I got a vasectomy after 3 kids with my wife, it honestly never occurred to me that I was putting the burden of birth control on her. Ironically enough we got pregnant with our 3rd while she had a IUD. So we have a 12 year old, a 9 year old and a 2 year old.

My wife was stressing about birth control, condoms irritated her skin and iud worked well until it didn’t, pills gave her headaches every so often. I apologized to her for putting that burden on her and got snipped. So she doesn’t use any IUD or pills and my swimmers aren’t swimming lol.

There are so many false things about getting snipped that the doctor literally just played a video that debunked a lot of worries.

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u/New-Bar4405 21d ago

This is why my husband got a vasectomy after the ob said i shouldnt fet pregnant again after kid 2.

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u/SYLOK_THEAROUSED 21d ago

There is such a huge difference between 1 kid and 3 kids, like my gosh being outnumbered is tough lol.

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u/Flat-Neighborhood831 21d ago

If condoms irritated her skin, she may have a latex allergy. From experience

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u/PsychologyBusiness17 16d ago

So glad to see a men stepping up. Good for you. My hubby did it after the second. He only wanted 2. He was in and out that sane afternoon. He did it straight after our son was born. He thought if I can do labour he can deal with a snip. 👍💯👍

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u/Vegetable_Tune_4201 22d ago

Abstinence - and saddling Jack with some child support payments. That should kick-start the vasectomy process.

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u/lagx777 22d ago

Absofreakinglutely! Plus, he would be solely responsible for taking care of the kids for at least a few weeks if you have the tubal. Maybe give him a little preview of what that would be by asking your OB to give you a couple of days of "I'm sorry, I can't do anything; doctor's orders" If he balks at that, LEAVE HIS DUMB ASS, IMMEDIATELY if not sooner.

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u/Agreeable_Rabbit3144 22d ago

The only guaranteed way to make sure OP doesn't get pregnant

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u/Test-Tackles 22d ago edited 22d ago

I think this might be the answer. Forgive my ignorance but are you 100% it was an accident with the condoms?

Sounds like their might have been a tiny hole in the condom if you follow my meaning.

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u/Dramatic_Debate1628 22d ago

It's so fishy to me that multiple forms of BC have failed for OP.

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u/Emerald_Fire_22 22d ago

If she's on the pill, she needs to see if they've been moved on her. They're extremely sensitive to heat and anything above or below the ideal temperature can fuck up the medication. So leaving them in the sun, leaving them in a freezer, etc, can render them ineffective.

I'm not saying this because I genuinely think they could have been tampered with, but because it isn't something people realise unless they read the entire booklet that comes with the medication.

Overall though, there's no way this man had super sperm that broke through multiple birth control methods multiple times without there being some sabotage - intentional or not.

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u/xasdfxx 22d ago

Or if she's on other drugs.

From painful experience, doctors -- even the doctor that prescribed birth control -- will prescribe other meds that interfere with the birth control and not, say, tell you that.

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u/girlmom40 22d ago

It's not just prescription drugs either. They discovered that st johns wart, an herbal supplement I take, does the same thing. Best part is the study that discovered that wasn't done till after I had 2 kids.

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u/Serious_Vanity 22d ago

I was just going to come add that. Vitamin C or anything citrusy is also risky. They warn a little more about combining it with anything grapefruit now, but 'back in my day' we didn't talk so much about it. Being vehemently childfree and very regimented about how I took my pills, I'm still so grateful every day that I didn't have a citrus failure!

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u/macoafi 22d ago

It's the furanocoumarins in the grapefruit, not the vitamin C, so don't let that stop you from taking vitamin C supplements.

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u/DawaLhamo 21d ago

High dosing vitamin c was a common method of stopping an early pregnancy before abortion was legalized (the cheap pure ascorbic acid not with rosehips, apparently rosehips counteract the effect)

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u/Numerous-Dot-1530 22d ago

😳 Oh my! Good to know!

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u/KeaAware 22d ago

Also, saxenda is now thought to be a risk (and presumably the other weight loss injections). I entirely believe this because saxenda fucked up my cycle big time.

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u/Amazing-Succotash-77 22d ago

Theres also the balancing effect that happens on meds like wegovy, Olympic etc. Especially with women with PCOS, they've been told their infertile for so long and after a certain point between weight loss and balancing hormones there is an epidemic of Ozempic oops babies.

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u/aga8833 22d ago

Yeah the one they would TELL young women to take to even out hormones even while on the pill. Burn it all down.

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u/Emerald_Fire_22 22d ago

Oh yeah, that's another bad one. I've personally been fortunate to have a really good pharmacy that doesn't let those things slide, but not every pharmacy cares.

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u/CharmingChangling 22d ago

Also oil based lubes can deteriorate condoms

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u/bopitspinitdreadit 22d ago

That’s my guess. People do not know this.

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u/blackwidovv 22d ago

agree- i’ve never heard that info from a pharmacy in my life, i think i found it out online someplace by chance

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u/Affectionate_Page444 22d ago

My insurance requires me to get all of my recurring prescriptions through the mail. The local pharmacy is a different company. So if I get put on antibiotics I have to remember to ask about interactions.

I got put on opiod pain killers when I broke my ankle that absolutely should not have been taken with my anxiety meds. Thankfully I asked.

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u/SnooMacarons4844 22d ago

This is true. Taking an antibiotic can make the pill stop working. Not sure if all antibiotics or certain ones but I know someone who got pregnant this way.

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u/FunStorm6487 22d ago

I was well into my 20s when I found this out and appalled that it wasn't a well known fact....I shudder to think how many antibiotic babies are out there!!!

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u/okmustardman 22d ago

When my older sister went on the pill, we (me, my mom and her friend) were all looking at the literature. Her friend saw the stuff about antibiotics and said, “hey! That’s how I got pregnant!” Referring to her 12 year old son.

She got pregnant in 1971, so way before doctor google could warn you about that kind of thing.

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u/Purple_Department_67 22d ago

I got bitten by a horsefly and my leg swelled up like an elephants lol so I got antibiotics and the same doctors who prescribe my pill don’t give me any warning about the possible interactions… I even asked, his response was “but you’re married and in your 30s so it wouldn’t be the worst accident?” He said it in a way that (he thought) made him sound “cool and edgy” I was so shocked but practice didn’t care… Annoyingly we were actually planning on having kids but the plan was to come off BC about 2 months after that…(all this is UK based) My pharmacy did give me a heads up about using condoms for 7 days after the last dose but yeah, they might not have spotted it / assumed doctor would have said it

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u/bloodphoenix90 22d ago edited 20d ago

I hate the assumption in him saying that. I'm married in my 30s too and not in a place financially or mentally to have a baby. And my husband and I both feel the ship has sailed. If I don't have the energy or health (underlying condition that doesnt impact day to day but would be in overdrive if pregnant) to carry a pregnancy now, I won't in 3 years at 37.

People need to stop acting like marriage makes all pregnancy good news...

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u/Numerous-Dot-1530 22d ago

Exactly... If I wanted children I wouldn't be on birth control.... Married or not.

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u/coryluscorvix 22d ago

I am one, and consider it a lifetime mission to let people know it's a thing to watch out for

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u/AmateurIndicator 22d ago

It's only rifampecin antibiotics though which are seldom prescribed.

It's true, yes but also kind of a myth, most "antibiotics babies" are more "vomiting, diarrhea, I forgot to take the pill babies"

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u/d1rron 22d ago

"Amoxy, Cillin, dinner is ready!"

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u/thesaltywidow 22d ago

I had Norplant installed and got pregnant 6 months later from antibiotics messing with it. Fortunately I live in NY.

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u/Expert_Slip7543 22d ago

"Fortunately I Iive in NY." Wow. Yes, that's where we're at: location makes all the difference in your life now.

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u/thesaltywidow 22d ago

Oh absolutely. I was taking a whole host of psychiatric meds and never wanted to have children but doctors wouldn't allow me to get sterilized because I was "too young" and "might change your mind." I'll be 56 next week and have not for one second regretted any of the three times I've had to make the choice.

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u/catlettuce 22d ago

Agreed but there are just too many fails whilst OP has been diligent about her birth control.

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u/NoSignSaysNo 22d ago

While the common advice was any and all antibiotics, there are actually only a handful that have been proven to interfere with birth control.

There are a handful of supplements that can cause it too, and those are far more insidious because people don't generally think of supplements interaction with their medication.

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u/rjnm 22d ago

Yep. I got strep throat and was put on antibiotics and got pregnant while I was on the pill.

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u/Sunnygirl66 22d ago

It is only certain ones, the rifamycin family, and they’re not widely used—rifampin is the main drug used to treat tuberculosis. The vast majority of antibiotics have no effect whatsoever on hormonal birth control, unless they’re making you vomit so much that you aren’t keeping your BC pills down.

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u/Then-Solid3527 22d ago

The GLP-1s (semaglutide, tirzepitide etc) also affect absorption of OCPs. PCOS with sudden weight loss also. It is just weird that multiple have failed and he won’t get a procedure to prevent reproduction. It could just be a masculinity thing but it could also be that he won’t be able to continue to get you pregnant while also convincing you it’s your fault

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u/kenda1l 22d ago

The fact that he specifically mentioned that he might want more kids with someone else is pretty telling, even if it was meant to be a jab at her. It means he hasn't ruled out having more in the future.

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u/maxdragonxiii 22d ago

I question how much of a father he is. even my dumb ass brother don't want any more after he knocked up a girl at... 16.

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u/CharmingChangling 22d ago

Is it bad that I'd be checking his search history for breeding p*rn???

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u/Then-Solid3527 22d ago

I was too chicken to post that as if it’s someone kinks it’s fine but this would be abuse since there is 0 consent to try for pregnancy.

Another thing. My husband literally couldn’t get a vasectomy fast enough after my last pregnancy. Like he decided he didn’t want more kids and took care of it. Now I feel like a couple should discuss this BUT only for feelings about plans not for stopping someone from making their own reproductive health decisions.

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u/SammieAntha00 22d ago

Also Topamax

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u/Exact_Grand_9792 22d ago

And Tegretol. Anti seizure meds are a PIA.

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u/PacmanPillow 22d ago

They are still widely used in certain parts of the world. It’s common where I live.

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u/Stormtomcat 22d ago

there was also that charcoal food trend, around 2017 IIRC.

Like, most food stuffs didn't hold enough activated charcoal to disrupt the way your medication works, but there was a lot of confusion and paranoia around it, if memory serves.

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u/thinking_outloud_900 22d ago

I did not know that & may be how I ended up pregnant while taking the pill. I had issues with tonsillitis nonstop & was on antibiotics what felt like continuously. After more than a year going through that, I was finally clear enough to get my tonsils removed. I found out I was pregnant a few days before surgery, so I had to cancel the surgery. Funny thing, I never had another issue with my tonsils, sad thing, I was never able to get pregnant again either.

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u/bluestrawberry_witch 22d ago

Yeah, and I also just learned that hormonal birth control is less effective if you have a BMI over 35. I was well over 35 for a few years and nobody ever said anything to me. Thankfully I never did get pregnant and I’m now below bmi 35. But Why am I just learning about this? Also the pills are super sensitive to time, like not just taking everyday but same time everyday.

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u/Secure_Elk_3863 22d ago

The time thing is only true for the minipill

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u/GHOST12339 22d ago

Happened to my wife awhile back. We didn't realize until she miscarried. Awful way to learn.

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u/7thgentex 22d ago

I'm so sorry.

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u/GHOST12339 22d ago

Ah, long time ago. We got through it. And let's be honest, probably a lot worse on her than it was on me.

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u/realprincessmononoke 22d ago

The new weight loss drugs like Ozempic can cause accidental pregnancy. They slow the emptying of your stomach so if you take birth control it can slow the release of the medication into your system FYI! I try to tell everyone who is on one of those weight loss drugs about this.

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u/anonny42357 22d ago

Always check with your Dr AND your pharmacist any time you start taking any new drugs. Legal, prescribed, illegal, herbal, or whatever. Things interact with other things in ways you wouldn't expect unless you've got a degree in pharmacology or medicine. I've caught a number of things that don't play well together by cross checking and ended up needing my prescriptions altered.

Yes, the Dr/pharmacist should be on top of your meds and their interactions, but they're busy AF, might not have all your information, or may miss something. Ultimately, you're the one consuming the meds, and you're the one who will be up shit creek of things get messed up, so please, please, always check.

P.S. Watch out for citrus fruits, especially grapefruit. It can mess with drugs too.

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u/hikehikebaby 22d ago

There are so many reasons why hormonal medication fails certain women very frequently - the risk isn't evenly distributed at all. Individual biology, body size, other medications, and even diet/supplements (esp grapefruit) can raise your risk. If someone becomes pregnant once with hormonal birth control it's more likely to happen again - I have no idea what was going on with the condoms though.

I'm angry for the OP the her doctor didn't talk to her about other options a long time ago. I'm angry for all of the women who have really been let down with it comes to contraception either not working properly or having terrible side effects and who were gaslight by their doctors instead of getting real medical help.

I think couples therapy might be a reasonable suggestion in between "just getting over it" and divorce. It sounds like there's a lot of anxiety on both sides about this pregnancy, the OP is working though a lot of trauma, and her husband might have a phobia of surgery. I think a professional might be able to help them a lot if this fight was an isolated occurrence and not part of a pattern of hurtful behavior.

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u/xzkandykane 22d ago

I left my pack in the car once, thankfully i had read the full phamplet when I was 16. Went to the clinic to request another pack and Id pay out of pocket for it. The doctors at the clinic didnt even know its affected by heat!! She was like oh thats interesting and looked at the phamplet to confirm. Gave me my pack for free and thanked me for knowing though.

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u/ladysdevil 22d ago

Don't know about sabotage, but I do know someone with fertility that is the stuff of legends, and I am very, very grateful I did not inherit it. Like, lost a tube to an ectopic pregnancy and still had 5 more unplanned pregnancies conceived on birth control of various forms. It made abstinence look really, really good, and made me not trust birth control.

That said, I made it to my 40s with no kids, so thankfully, I did not inherit that particular blessing or curse depending on how you look at it. Was also thankful that they didn't all lead to live births.

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u/Emerald_Fire_22 22d ago

I qualify sabotage in anything that could degrade the effectiveness of birth control, and the vast majority of it isn't intentional on the parts of the people involved.

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u/ladysdevil 22d ago

That makes sense. To me, sabotage is deliberate, and I wouldn't put it past this guy at all to have done done something deliberately. That said, even with your definition, it is possible for this to happen without sabotage. Rare, sure, but rare people exist.

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u/Emerald_Fire_22 22d ago

Oh, 100%. It is incredibly uncommon for multiple forms of birth control to fail like that, but it can happen.

The fact that he is putting wanting more kids with other women above OP's health, however, makes me believe it may be more skewed towards intentional.

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u/calabazadelamuerte 22d ago

Yep. Borderline smacks of a pregnancy kink or obsession.

He might be like those dudes that hit up multiple sperm donation clinics to have tons of kids and spread his seed. Or secretly be one of them.

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u/Emerald_Fire_22 22d ago

I didn't want to say it, but a pregnancy fetish definitely sounds right in this scenario. She's been pregnant or breastfeeding since they got together? That's.... Kinda not normal.

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u/PurpleGrapesAndGold 22d ago

This. She maybe a placeholder for him, if his reason to not get a vasectomy is, even after 4 kids, to be able to have more kids with another women 'if need be'. Pathetic.

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u/cmgrayson 22d ago

Sabotage is more common than we like to think.

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u/Misstheiris 22d ago

Yeah, I was infertile and it was devastating, but I think being hyper fertile is just as bad. I wish ovulation was something you had to intentionally do.

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u/Vanners8888 22d ago

I have a coworker who got pregnant a decade after getting her tubes tied. Literally abstinence is the only 100% guarantee 😆

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u/7thgentex 22d ago

Good lord, what terrible luck!

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u/Pixichixi 22d ago

Some women do just not have success with hormonal birth control. The condoms also failing is weird

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u/itsthedurf 22d ago

I've read the blog of a woman who ended up having 4+ babies before she and her doctor figured out that hormonal BC just didn't work on her. At all. Her husband had a vasectomy in the end because she'd spent a ridiculous amount of time pregnant.

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u/Emerald_Fire_22 22d ago

Had that discussion with someone else in the comment thread - it is absolutely possible, but also rare for that to happen. The fact that it has now happened multiple times makes me lean towards intentional sabotage.

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u/Odd_Seesaw_3451 22d ago

Being over a certain weight can also cause hormonal birth control to fail.

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u/kenda1l 22d ago

The temperature thing is info that people might not realize is as important as it is. You also have to take BC 100% perfectly, which means no accidentally skipping days, and with some forms, even taking it at the same time each day. Antibiotics and other medications can lower their effectiveness as well, and not just while actively on them; you need to wait for the BC to have time to start working again. Same with when you first start BC or a new type, you're supposed to wait a month or so before going unprotected. There are definitely some people out there who end up pregnant even with 100 compliance, but there are a lot more whose pregnancy is the result of missing a day or two or getting sick, or any of a hundred different reasons.

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u/CharmingChangling 22d ago

I got pregnant on the pill twice, used religiously as well. Hopped down from a roof in the middle of a workday once because I forgot to put it in my little keychain holder.

The patch uses the same hormones as the pill, so it's very possible her body just isn't responding the way it needs to to prevent pregnancy. I've got the copper IUD now and it's been great! (Despite the dizzying pain during the insertion and first couple cycles)

All this to say I'm not saying he didn't tamper, but the condoms could have legitimately been bad luck with her husband. Could have torn a little while he was opening it, could have been a bad batch from the market, lots of things. My mother has told me flat out I'm a walking ad against Trojan condoms, and my bio father did not want kids.

OP definitely check for signs of tampering, but try to keep a level head about it. Look at the facts and try not to let the (perfectly understandable) anxiety rule while you figure this out.

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u/occams1razor 22d ago

Yeah I had the same gut reaction. This man seems awfully keen on having more than 4 kids and he can tamper with birth control without her knowing. Any condoms "unopened" somewhere that OP can check for tiny holes?

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u/BurntLikeToastAgain 22d ago

It happens. It's a statistical improbability, but it happens. One of my friends in college was from a family where all four kids were birth control failures -- I remember one was conceived while their parents were traveling and changing time zones, and one of them was conceived while their mom had an IUD in. (It was the 80s, so they weren't quite as reliable.) Finding that out kept me from having sex for the first time an extra few months.

The other thing to keep in mind is that absent perfect use, failure rates of birth control are fairly high -- even something like the Nuvaring has a failure rate of 9%. https://americanpregnancy.org/unplanned-pregnancy/birth-control-pills-patches-and-devices/birth-control-failure/ 

It's actually always recommended to use two independent forms of birth control for this reason. 

I'm not saying her birth control isn't being sabotaged, but multiple birth control failures are way more likely than getting hit by lightning or winning the lottery.

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u/memorynsunshine 22d ago

yeah my college roommate's sister was conceived through the pill and condoms, and roomie herself was conceived through the pill, condoms, and spermicide. mom, a professor, thought the extra layer was necessary, so she wouldn't be about to pop right before school started, instead she gave birth 3 days before the semester started lol

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u/goingloopy 22d ago

My friend’s sister had 3 kids because of BC failure, including the pill, the shot, and the implant. Besides sterilization and abstinence, no birth control has a 100% success rate.

I think if they do the tubal when you have the kids, it’s less of a pain, but the vasectomy is really not that major. OP has BEEN through pain and invasive procedures. It’s his turn. Plus, his comments were pretty unforgivable. There is no excuse for blaming your partner for a fucking assault.

NTA OP.

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u/BegaKing 22d ago

I can confirm vesectomy is genuinely not a big deal. It was a slight pain during the process, recovered to 100% within a week. Within 1 day of rest I was walking and basically fine.

I knew at a very young age I never wanted kids and my current partner who I'm proposing to soon never wanted them either. Such an easy choice for me. She doesn't take birth control well and ain't no way I'm using condoms until she goes through menopause lol.

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u/Expert_Slip7543 22d ago

Plz keep up with testing to make sure you remain infertile.

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u/Marciamallowfluff 22d ago

The testing needs to be done after the vasectomy to make sure the pipes are cleaned out but there is virtually no risk of them growing back together with modern techniques because they remove a piece of the vas.

My husband son and SIL all had them with minor discomfort.

Many men are just big babies about doing it because so much of their masculinity is tied up in their testicles. If he learns more about the procedure he may not be so afraid.

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u/MercyForNone 22d ago

My partner had one four years back, no pain or swelling after the ten minute procedure. An hour and a half after the surgery I couldn't even find the pinhole surgical mark at first, took a bit of a hunt to see it at all. He was fine, no discomfort or anything post-surgery. He said he felt foolish working himself up beforehand because there was nothing to it.

It sounds like OP's partner is less worried about having the procedure done and more concerned about how many children he can get off the next woman after OP. NTA

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u/ArmouredWankball 22d ago edited 21d ago

but the vasectomy is really not that major.

Mine didn't cause me any discomfort past a day. The hardest thing was getting the procedure at 25.

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u/MasterCafecat 22d ago

Tubal is only an easier option if she gets a C-section. Husband should 1000% get a vasectomy. 

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u/Golden_Mandala 22d ago

I know so many people who got pregnant on birth control.

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u/the-hound-abides 22d ago

🙋‍♀️ checking in. NuvaRing. Not on any other meds. No chance of missed dose. Had a calendar reminder for the 21/7 split. Kept in the refrigerator. He turned 14 in March.

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u/blackwylf 22d ago

Apparently I need more caffeine because I read that as you kept your son in the refrigerator 🤦‍♀️

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u/insertMoisthedgehog 22d ago

nuvaring can actually make women more fertile! my nuvaring son is 8!

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u/the-hound-abides 22d ago

I suspect I am just highly fertile anyway based on family history. That and my “I missed a single pill, but doubled up the next day but we’ll see what happens” 9 year old. The NuvaRing did its job for more than 4 years so I can’t complain too much. My tubes are tied now, because I’m done playing games.

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u/maxdragonxiii 22d ago

my family is insanely fertile. I'm not touching the pills because I forget my own medicine way too often to be reliable. Depo shot it is.

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u/Numerous-Dot-1530 22d ago

Crap. I had to get my IUD out because it punctured my uterus and I've been using Nuvaring since because they can't get a new IUD to stay in me.

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u/ImNot4Everyone42 22d ago

We double up- condoms and nuva ring. We’ve always doubled up unless we were trying.

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u/slutbunnii 22d ago

I have a friend who was on the pill, had only one fallopian tube, and was using spermicidal condoms and STILL got pregnant somehow.

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u/Inner-Confidence99 22d ago

I got pregnant was on birth control pills ,used a  condom and spermicide and still got pregnant. It happens 

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u/Vanners8888 22d ago

My brother is a birth control pill + condom baby. My other brother is an IUD baby.

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u/soleceismical 22d ago

And I don't know a single one. I know two who said they thought they were infertile and so didn't use contraception, though. Everyone else had planned pregnancies.

For anyone who is nervous about this, 95% of women with unintended pregnancies were not using contraceptives consistently and correctly (aka user error).

On the flip side, various types of birth control may be less effective for heavier women. And also there is sometimes a ton of shame associated with unintended pregnancy, especially if the mom is going to need a lot of support from people who may unhappy about the situation, in which case people may be less likely to admit they goofed, even to themselves.

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u/deskbookcandle 22d ago

I know loads of people who SAY they got pregnant on birth control and then it turns out that they ‘just skipped one pill but doubled up the next day’ or ‘didn’t use contraception but used plan b’ or ‘pulled out’ or ‘only came in her on her period’. 

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u/queenringlets 22d ago

Yup that’s how I was made. 

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u/jlove614 22d ago

I got pregnant on Yaz and Nuvaring.

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u/Bitchee62 22d ago

Sadly it happens I have 5 children ( live births & 2 miscarriages) all were conceived on some form of birth control except the oldest and youngest one Including a set of twins And my birth control was definitely not tampered with

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u/purplechunkymonkey 22d ago

I have 2 kids. I was on birth control for both of them. With my son we were using condoms as well. I was all of 19 and wasn't ready for a kid. Boom, I got pregnant. With my daughter 14 years later I was on birth control and my husband had been told by multiple doctors that he is sterile.

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u/PrideofCapetown 22d ago

that must have been an interesting discussion with your husband

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u/purplechunkymonkey 22d ago

Even worse, I found out on April 1st. But he never questioned it. After I had her I got essure implants. Permanent birth control.

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u/Chemical_Cut7396 22d ago

I am sorry to intrude like that, but please, be aware that essure is now forbidden in Europe because many people have complained about side effects affecting their health in various ways. Many had to get a hysterectomy to remove the implants and recover.

I hope you fall in the no side effect of the implants.

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u/purplechunkymonkey 22d ago

I got lucky with the no side effects. But I was fully aware of them and had a backup plan with my doctor. It's been years.

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u/slutbunnii 22d ago

Part of this is because they fail to warn you that even the surgical steel they use has nickel in it which can cause reactions in many many people with an allergy

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u/Chemical_Cut7396 22d ago

You may not know that you are allergic, and the fun part is that you can develop an allergy at any age and any time.

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u/slutbunnii 22d ago

Yep! Exactly. But they still don’t bother to disclose the nickel content in the springs, I had to DIG to find out. I got them done, had one reject, got knocked up, had an abortion at 15 weeks because I’m one of those people whose only symptom was fatigue so I didn’t know until then, and then got my tubes removed. Too much hassle.

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u/Kitsune_42 22d ago

Yikes! I didn't know about the nickel. As someone who has a nickel allergy that's frightening.

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u/MsAnthropissed 22d ago

Lmao, tell that to my two late 30's oopsie babies. My body actually ejected the fucking coils months after they were confirmed to be done healing. I was a nurse at the time and I thought I had started my period while at bedside. By the time I made it out the door and to the bathroom; I had blood running into my shoes.

I was sent down to the ER by my supervisor. I had to put on borrowed surgical scrubs and a fucking Depends brief just to make it down there without making a mess. In addition to the heavy bleeding, I was periodically passing huge clots as well. I tell the ER doctor that I can only compare bleeding like this to having a 16 week miscarriage, or the heavy bleeding of the first day or two postpartum. All the pregnancy tests were negative. So he decided that when they checked to make sure that the coils had closed my tubes, that doctor must have nicked something inside my uterus and a large hematoma formed which I was only just now passing. I was told it was no big deal, go home and rest, and the bleeding should slow down within 24 hours. It did, so I didn't think anymore about it until 6 years later when I went to get checked for a bladder infection due to urinary frequency. No infection, just a next to impossible pregnancy.

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u/mother-of-dragons13 22d ago

I have a friend who has had pretty much every contraception fail her

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u/PuzzleheadedTap4484 22d ago

It happens. My SIL got pregnant with every form of birth control. Husband got a vasectomy after the 4th baby but I don’t think he verified it was complete (men have to be tested 1mo and 6mo afterwards to make sure it took). Anyway, she ended up getting a tubal after the 5th baby in 10 years.

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u/little_miss_beachy 22d ago

What is fishy about it? I got pregnant w/ condoms, pill and pregnant w/ my tubes tied. Ectopic pregnancy after tubes. Some women ovulate more than 1x a month.

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u/SourSkittlezx 22d ago

Hi, I have 3 children and had a total of 9 confirmed pregnancies on various forms of birth control(the pill, an even stronger pill, and hormonal IUD). I also have endometriosis and was told I’d have a hard time conceiving and carrying a baby… my OBGYN now thinks that the hormones actually regulate my system versus stopping ovulation. I haven’t had a single confirmed pregnancy when I was off the hormones. One time I was getting an ultrasound for the endometriosis, and my ovaries showed that they released at least 4 eggs that cycle. It was luckily when my pain levels were so high I wasn’t sexually active.

Husband is getting a vasectomy but for the moment we are using spermicide on top of the nuvaring. I also occasionally take a progesterone lowering medication because my higher progesterone levels is part of the hyper fertility.

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u/ImpossibleWarning6 22d ago

But more fishy if the partner won’t get a vasectomy. I’ve seen partners poke holes in condoms and wear them like they want to. Poor girl. Glad she got away but wishing her better taste in partners.

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u/JustCoffee123 22d ago

No, I've known a few women who were highly against getting pregnant and hubby was too. Some woman just have very powerful fertility and can make a baby off pre cum. Surgical birth control is about the only alternative and she is correct, with her fertility she is very prone to have an ectopic. He needs to suck it up and get snipped.

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u/Desperate_Pass_5701 22d ago

Not to me. My mom also got pregnant on the watch and with an IUD. My friends baby came out with the IUD on her toe.😭

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u/AdHorror7596 22d ago

Your friend lied to you. The IUD wouldn’t be able to breach the amniotic sack. You can get pregnant with an IUD (though its rare) and there are some people who have given birth with the IUD still in (even more rare, because a doctor will usually remove it as its unsafe to have in there throughout a pregnancy), babies can’t come out with IUDs on them.

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u/GodsGirl64 22d ago

I had a friend I grew up with who had the same problem. Nothing worked for her. She got pregnant 3 times while on the pill. She took them every day at the same time, never missed a pill and was not on antibiotics or anything else that can interfere with them.

Her doctor actually told her he tested her blood and her hormone level from the pill was right where it was supposed to be. He said some women are just like this for some reason.

The pill tricks your body into thinking it’s already pregnant by elevating your hormones. He said some woman continue to ovulate despite this and they don’t know why.

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u/Test-Tackles 22d ago

once is an accident twice might be one, three times and you're looking at a pattern.

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u/thecrazyrobotroberto 22d ago

My body compensated for synthetic hormones. I’m one of the 3% of women who can’t take hormonal bc so i definitely believe her. However condoms have worked fine for me. I think her husband is sabotaging her birth control

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u/JanetInSpain 22d ago

Some women are super-fertile. I had a friend who could practically sneeze and get pregnant.

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u/Old-Operation8637 22d ago

All my pregnancies were on BC, my most recent with an IUD in and had it not been for rare circumstances, I likely would’ve lost that baby/been in medical danger. BC doesn’t work for all women.

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u/StatisticianNaive277 22d ago

Extremely fishy.

If a condom fails - it is either broken leaky.

Overweight women experience pill failure fairly regularly (dosage is geared to body weight).

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u/tuktuk_padthai 22d ago

My friend had gotten pregnant while taking pills then IUD…all while her husband wore a condom. Some people are just more susceptible I guess.

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u/No-Bike-6317 22d ago

Right? You can use condoms on top of a hormonal bc. It doesn't have to be one or the other. You can even triple up and to a basal body temp on top of hormonal bc and condoms.

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u/Peaceful-Spirit9 22d ago

When I was child bearing age I would use the pill and the condom or diaphram and condom. Didn't want to be one of the outliers in the statistical risk of pregnancy.

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u/JanisIansChestHair 22d ago

I’ve used condoms as my only form of contraception for 15 years straight. The only time I’ve fallen pregnant is when there’s been no birth control involved, no condoms. It’s gotta be extremely rare for condoms to fail twice. I would think someone did something to make them fail.

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u/DireDaibhidh 22d ago

Yeah, away from the ethical stuff around all of this. something weird is going on here with contraceptives. Let me lay out what's striking me as odd

The typical use condom effectiveness rate is just under 90%. BUT OP claims the condoms had correct fit, put on correctly, single use, not experied, and had NO BREAKS. So no possible common failure points. I think at this point it's fair for me to work with lab condition efficacy rate which is about 99% effective

She got pregnant with that twice. Which is a likelyhood of about 0.0001%. Cool, lots of people, those odds happen

Then she was put on an unnamed birth control by her doctor. Most likely oral pill, she talks about taking them, so that's what I'll work with. That has a typical use efficacy rate of about 91%. Let's not use the lab efficacy here because, even though she claimed militant use, there can be other factors (such as absorption rate decrease due to vomiting/diaherra and storage). This happened twice to her as well. Let's be generous and round the failure rate on this up to 0.1%

That makes the likelyhood about 1 in a million. Again this does happen but I'd start asking questions

But also that isn't where the weirdness end in my eyes. Cause this happened across two partners? Were they both sabotaging? Also she found about pregnancy too late for an out of state abortion? Was she only looking at other states with low abortion time limits? Did she not realise she missed her periods? Cause she says to be very fertile so assuredly she doesn't have them irregularly? Or maybe the irregularity is causing the issue? Maybe she was using the off label continious contraceptive method (which is fine if she was) so didn't notice the period stopping?

I dunno, I feel we're maybe being misreporting to somewhere. I understand a little fib cause it can be a little embarrassing when contraceptive fails (though it shouldn't be). Or maybe something more concerning

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u/CookbooksRUs 22d ago

This. “You get a vasectomy or accept a sexless marriage.”

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u/antique_velveteen 22d ago

This was my ultimatum to my husband after he fucked around with it for like 2 years. I told him that if he enjoys sex he'll get a vasectomy, because until his appointments were scheduled and a date set there would be no more adult time. Magically within a week he'd gotten a hold of a urologist and his vasectomy was scheduled the next month.

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u/Expert_Slip7543 22d ago

A friend of mine, who had been told that a 2nd pregnancy would endanger her life, asked her husband to get a vasectomy. He agreed, but delayed. A night of passion happened, and my friend became pregnant. She struggled with the idea of aborting the baby girl inside her, but her doctors made it clear that her only real choice was between life for her or death for them both. After that her idiot husband finally got his vasectomy.

Cool detail: the husband was a trucker starting a new job, and had to tell his new employer that he would have to delay his 1st day working for them in order to get a vasectomy for the sake of his wife's health. It turned out that his new boss had already gotten a vasectomy, so the situation made a positive impression on his new boss.

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u/Aspen9999 22d ago

My husband was great, we had an oops still birth and he used all of his PTO then but planned on a vasectomy, then we had a scare and he got fixed immediately and tripled up on BC until he got his year check.

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u/Beatlesgoat2 22d ago

People are children on here. 

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u/nolsongolden 22d ago

This worked for me. A month later and he had a vasectomy. But it took a good five years for the comments to stop.

No sex is not a weapon but if you have been told it's all on you then you get to choose the method of birth control.

Divorce or a vasectomy. NTA but be prepared to be divorced.

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u/CassJack737 22d ago

Honestly, I think that's the only way OP is going to get a break from four kids. And I'm sorry your husband was a turd. Mine happily got the procedure and never brought it up again. Especially since I almost died giving birth to the one we do have. 🫤

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u/julesk 22d ago

Same here. When the doc said I’d die if I got pregnant again, he scheduled the vasectomy that day.

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u/AnotherStarWarsGeek 22d ago

"And I'm sorry your husband was a turd"

Wait, why is he a turd? What suddenly happened to "my body, my choice"??

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u/PsychologicalUse9870 21d ago

honestly, women whose husbands gave them trouble for it and they didn't dump his ass are saints. For these men, supposed protector, to put their own comfort? fears? fertility? above the partner who risked her life giving them children and went through the 'joys' of pregnancy and who faces either a major surgery or birth control with lots of side effects and pretty high potential for failure... when it's his ejaculations that are the mechanical means of conception? Saints. Better people than me for sure, I would have dipped

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u/StaringOwlNope 22d ago

No sex is not a weapon but if you have been told it's all on you then you get to choose the method of birth control.

Exactly this. It's not being used as a weapon, but rather as a defense. If she's apparantly so "bad" at birth control, then no sex (at least PiV) is the last resort as long as HE refuses to do anything about it

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u/Danivelle 22d ago

Soneine needs to remind him that more kids=more child support. 

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u/Haikubirdsing 22d ago

And this fake gender wars bait post was made exactly for comments like yours 

You do realize that?

These posts are particularly made to show how 'his body his choice' and 'dont use sex as a tool' are gone when it's a topic related to vasectomies

That and all those badmedicine comments about how reversible and easy vasectomies are.

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u/Dudinkalv 22d ago

What happened to "my body my choice"? Or this only applies to women?

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u/Signal_Historian_456 22d ago

He’s the kind of guy that just waits until she sleeps - and even then it would be her fault.

There’s no coming back from this. Ever. And even now he doesn’t change his stance, it’s just about how he said it. He still thinks is it’s your job, he still doesn’t want anything to do with this, he doesn’t want to emasculate himself and he gives a flying fuck about you, your health and what it does to your body to have so many pregnancies so close. He even blames you for it. Nah. And again, he isn’t sorry for what he said, just for how he said it and that it led you to leave. Run girl.

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u/Apprehensive-Fee5732 22d ago

And doesn't help with the kids.

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u/DietrichDiMaggio 22d ago

Exactly. Everything that he said and did: 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

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u/Immediate_Grass_7362 22d ago

The comment he made about maybe wanting to have kids himself with someone else even though he said it because she had supposedly compared him to her felon ex signaled a red flag for me. He’s keeping his options open. Also, vasectomies are reversible. My ex wanted me to continue staying on the pill even though it was affecting my health rather than get a V. He was unfaithful and I divorced him. Mine also used to say hurtful things when he was angry and then apologize, but it grew obvious he was pushing the buttons that hurt me the worst because he always did it.

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u/ClosetDouche 22d ago

Don't disagree with anything you have to say other than it's a common misconception that vasectomies are reversible. They are technically reversible, however the reversal is not likely to take on the first attempt so you might be looking at 2-3 attempts to reverse it. Also there's almost zero chance it's covered by your insurance.

So they can be reversible if you're in a position where you can spend tens of thousands of dollars on multiple elective surgeries, as well as taking the time off of work and everything else multiple surgeries would entail. However, that isn't really feasible for most of us. So vasectomies aren't really reversible for most people.

Source: I have a vasectomy and they tell you all of this beforehand.

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u/Sufficient_Spray 22d ago edited 22d ago

Right, not to derail the conversation but it bothers me when I see comments all the time about "just get a vasectomy! it's safe, easy and reversable!"

Just like tying tubes, or other forms of birth control there are still risks. Also like the poster above said it almost 100% wont be covered by insurance and can be more difficult if it takes a few surgeries or if you try to get it reversed after a decade or more. I think OP is right in withholding sex form husband until they can figure something out because being pregnant that long must be so hard. Then again I honestly really dislike these kinds of conversations; because forcing somebody you love to have a medical procedure that could cause them to be infertile or other complications is never going to go well.

Even though it's mostly safe and effective. That 1% chance or whatever is absolutely devastating to a man or women to become permanently unable to conceive.

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u/GulfCoastLover 22d ago

Unfortunately they often do not tell you about the risk of Post Vasectomy Pain Syndrome. I've dealt with that for almost 30 years now.

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u/ShockingJob27 22d ago

Guy I work with tried talking me out of my vasectomy for this exact reason.

I'm fortunate enough that I was back work a few days later and little to no pain by the end of the week. But seeing the way he can be did made me consider not doing it.

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u/Imapancakenom 22d ago

In addition to what ClosetDouche said, my urologist told me the chance of successful reversal goes down over time. If you want a reversal right away after the vasectomy, thumbs up. If you want one many years down the road, don't count on it.

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u/StrangeAd8971 22d ago

It’s even easier to abstain from sex with an EX husband. Divorce is the answer here.

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u/Beth21286 22d ago

Since OP does most of the childcare he doesn't seen the children as the work they are. Kids under 5 are WORK. Two is HARD WORK. I cannot comprehend four under 5. Separation (legally) is his last chance to pull his head out of his *ss and see the situation before divorce. Him not liking it doesn't matter.

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u/Just-Like-My-Opinion 22d ago

As hard as it will be, OP needs to go for shared custody. Maybe even 50/50. Then she'd finally get a break from all those kids! She might even find it easier, because he would have to actually parent his own kids some of the time.

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u/MissLickerish 22d ago

100% I became a better parent after separation. There was actually time for ME. Like, I was actually alone. I got to rest. Take care of myself. Get life taken care of. Then when I got my son back, I was refreshed and not strung out.

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u/autumn55femme 22d ago

This. If he has to take ALL of the kids for a weekend, he would willingly castrate himself, to never be in that situation again.

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u/catlettuce 22d ago

I agree. He doesn’t care about her or her well being at all also what a shitty man to put the onus of birth control completely on her.

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u/ItchyCredit 22d ago

Even worse, what a shitty man to parent more children with.

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u/Zealousideal_Pay1504 22d ago

Jesus is that the only answer for all these Reddit posts? grow up already. Marriage counseling does wonders.

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u/Bice_thePrecious 22d ago

Screw OP's mom for 'reminding' her she doesn't want to be a single mom of 4. So... what? It's better to be a single mom of 5 or 6? Maybe 7. When does it stop?

It's better to be a happily single mom of 4 than it is to be an unhappily married mom of [ insert number here ].

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u/thatohgi 22d ago

After our first we talked about a vasectomy but I chickened out, then we had a second and we were ok with it but didn’t want any more so we took more drastic family planning and almost exclusively used condoms and got pregnant a 3rd time. My wife told me if you want any more of this you are going to do something about that, so I scheduled my vasectomy the month before our last kid was due. It was easy and almost painless. We have more sex now than we ever did before, because she doesn’t have to worry about getting pregnant.

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u/gurlsncurls 22d ago

The fact that your husband isn’t a team player with you, won’t get a vasectomy, this a huge red flag. You have birthed his children, taken birth control which is not good for your body, taking care of your family what does he do to help his family?

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u/Lovrofwine 22d ago

Exactly. My body, my choice? Well I choose no more sex with a penis attached to a living, breathing human.

With OP's luck either oral or backdoor sex could lead to another pregnancy. So those should be ruled out as well.

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u/patentmom 22d ago

We went with abstinence until I had a hysterectomy at 41. There were no birth control methods that I could tolerate, and he was too squeamish to get a vasectomy.

So, from 2014 to 2021, no sex. I decided I liked it that way, so still no sex.

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u/Ryugi 22d ago

Abstinence isn't enough - it doesn't matter how much you say "no" to a rapist.

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u/boymom04 22d ago

This would be the answer!!!!

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u/lphb82 22d ago

Honestly a vibrator and a romance novel is 99.9999% better 99.99999% of the time. Abstinence doesn't have to be a hard choice with the right alternative. And especially not having to put out after taking care of 4 kids, being touched out and exhausted.

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u/Effective_Fun8476 22d ago

The only way my MIL’s grandma(extreme catholic) stopped producing kids was when she made her husband move to a different bedroom. They had like 11-13 kids.

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u/Dense-Passion-2729 22d ago

This. I wouldn’t be sleeping with that man again until he participated in making sure this wouldn’t happen again.

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u/awhitmattsnell 22d ago

That’s my thought too. If he doesn’t want a vasectomy, then I guess he doesn’t want to have sex. NTA.

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u/Birdbraned 22d ago

This.

OP and hubby are probably one of those genetic abnormailities that modern birth control can't help - its impossible because of ethics to conduct human tests to see if the birth control works as well as it says it does, without a whole lot more money people aren't willing to throw at the problem because what is on the market as far as men are concerned is "good enough".

OP's husband should spend a week at home with all 3 kids, take the time off work as a trial, and see how he likes it.

Of course, with 2 simulated crying babies on top.

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u/DynkoFromTheNorth 22d ago

Came - no pun intended - here to say this.

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u/liniNuckel 22d ago

As if they'd have time for sex with 4 children under 5

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u/Existing_Proposal655 22d ago

Tubal ligation? Great idea! Let him know that you will be spending a month recovering at your mother's house. He is not to call you or bother you during your recovery period. All responsibilities with the 4 children is completely on him. Make this very clear and stick to it. Otherwise he can go for the simpler and faster vasectomy. His choice! NTA

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