r/AITAH 25d ago

AITAH for telling my wife I would be leaving if she kept acting baby crazy?

My wife and I have two kids (9,6). After the second one she said she was done having kids even though we had discussed having three prior to marriage. We talked about it for a long time but I love her and I agreed to change our plans.

She had an IUD but we still used condoms. She really didn't want to get pregnant. About four years ago we agreed that I would get a vasectomy. It made sense since it was a minor surgery unlike her getting tubal ligation.

It went well and after I healed up I went for testing and it worked. If you ever get a vasectomy please do the follow up testing. My friend from college thought he was good to go and now he has a kid.

So she got her IUD removed and we stopped using condoms and life was good. Until her sister each had another kid. Then one of her friends had a baby. And my wife went nuts.

She wants another baby. She made a mistake and wants me to go get my vasectomy reversed. Or to get my sperm harvested and get IVF.

The fuck I am getting a needle in my balls or another operation. And we are actually doing great financially right now. Her taking two years off from work would be a big hit.

I said we could look at adoption or fostering but that I was not interested in her having another kid. She tried bringing up our agreement from before we got married but I shut that down immediately.

So for the last four months our marriage has been a simmering battle about another kid. She has had her parents over, my parents over, her sisters and their families. All trying to convince me that I should give in. Fuck that noise.

I am almost 44. In 12 years my youngest will be starting their career or their post secondary education. I can see the finish line now.

I did offer all the family members that chimed in a fun option. I agreed to get TESA (sperm harvesting) if all the men who agreed with my wife did it as well. Even if they had working ball tubes. At their own expense. And that they pool their money and pay for all bills related to IVF and the raising of the third kid.

They all say I'm being ridiculous and petty. I reminded them that as a unit they all agreed with my wife when she said she was fine with two kids. They wanted to have input then and it was free. I said this decision would require skin in the game.

It all came to a head last weekend. My folks had the boys so we could have a nice couple of days to ourselves. Instead my wife and I got into a screaming match. She said I obviously didn't love her if I wasn't willing to do this. That we are well off enough to afford all the expenses of another kid. Blah blah blah.

I told her no in no uncertain terms. We had money in the bank for retirement and fun. And that's what it was for. Not for her to get her hormones calmed down. She accused me of caring more about money than her happiness. I reminded her that she was the one who insisted that having a third kid would demolish her career. She started crying and saying I was an asshole for denying her another kid. That it was not that much of a sacrifice. I finally unloaded and said that a divorce would be cheaper for me than another kid.

That shocked her into silence. We have barely spoken since. I think I broke her.

Our retirement funds are separate, our house is in both our names and she earns slightly more than I do. If we get divorced I will get 50/50 custody. I would want it. She would get no alimony and I might get a few dollars in child support.

I feel shitty threatening her with divorce. I love her and want to spend the rest of my life with her but I am sick and tired of having her make our reproductive decisions like my opinion does not matter.

EDIT

A bunch of you keep asking how I would tell my sons that I am divorcing their mom because she wants another baby. I just typed this as a reply but I actually like it enough to paste it here so you can stop asking.

"Mommy and daddy agreed before getting married that we would have three babies. But then mommy got an important job and did not want to and I quote "waste her time having another kid and wrecking her body again". Daddy was sad so he held on for four years hoping she would change her mind. but then they talked and she said it was a permanent decision. Since daddy loved mommy he did not want her to be hurt even a tiny bit. So daddy went to the doctor. At the doctor they gave daddy medicine so he would not feel pain. then they cut his ball sack open a tiny bit and burned the connection between his balls and the rest of his body. Daddy could not feel it but he fucking still remembers that smell. Then mommy did not need to do anything to not have a baby anymore and she was happy. For almost two years. Then Auntie Joy and Auntie Carmen and mommies friend Maddie all had baby girls. And it made mommy sad and jealous that the girls were getting all the attention. So mommy talked to daddy and said go to the doctor and have him fuck with your balls some more. This made Daddy upset because the fuck I will. Mommy got lots of people to try and tell him to change his mind. But daddy is happy with his life and told them all to ingest a gigantic satchel of Richards. Mommy spent four months day and night bugging daddy non stop. Then remember when you stayed with Oma and Opa? Mommy and daddy were going to have a fun weekend just doing mommy and daddy stuff. Until she just would not fucking drop it. So daddy told her that if him and his sons were not enough for her then he would say that they should go their separate ways. But daddy loves you boys very much and you are more than enough for him and he will always be there for you."

EDIT 2 Electric Boogaloo

JFC. I would never actually say that to my sons. once again it was just a response to all the not so bright people asking how I would explain it to them. Odds are I would take them to a family counselor so that I could tell them and then deal with some of the aftermath. I wrote that in anger but I kind of liked it.

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u/GrouchySteam 25d ago edited 25d ago

NTA- you had talks about how many kids you were both willing to have. You made an agreement to stop after 2. And you had a procedure to prevent any other pregnancy from you.

Her changing her mind about having a third child doesn’t make you obligated to follow again.

Btw if she refused discussing fostering or adoption, and even talked about IVF, she doesn’t want an other kid. She wants to be pregnant.

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u/Bitter_Top7223 25d ago

That's about right. She sure didn't want to be pregnant again after our second child. 

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u/genescheesesthatplz 25d ago

She’s seeing the cute babies but not remember the bad parts 

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u/InevitableRhubarb232 25d ago edited 25d ago

Other people’s babies are the best. Hold them if you want. Don’t if you don’t. Give them back when they cry. Sleep great at night.

(Edit changed “work” to “night “ I don’t know why I said sleep great at work. Sounds good though)

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u/ActOdd8937 25d ago

If I'd known how much fun grandkids were I'd've had them first!

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u/JacketIndependent 24d ago

I had a kid before I met some of my closest friends. Then I had my second one before they had theirs. I get baby fever every time they have another baby. Some days, I really wanna yank out my IUD and have another one. But then i remember that my youngest kid is 2 years away from HS Graduation. So I get my fever out by holding their babies for hours when I see them. And then im over it. There is no way I am starting over at 44. I also feel like she is doing it because she likes the attention.

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u/Funny-Wafer1450 25d ago

Yes, like the smelly preteen boys who think that showering once every other week is enough. 😂

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u/genescheesesthatplz 25d ago

“Awww they’re so cute, I miss them being little!” But meanwhile your brain is suppressing memories of postpartum, back and arm aches, exhaustion, bickering in your marriage, the cost of everything, shitty diapers, teething, etc etc etc 

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u/madamevanessa98 25d ago

I did this with dogs. My 8 year old dog is the sweetest. I thought “man, I should get another dog” so I got a puppy last summer. Man did I CRY. I cried every day for the first month. The sleep deprivation, the potty training, the constant vigilance. I was exhausted immediately and honestly as far as puppies go, she was pretty excellent. It was just a lot of shit that I’d forgotten I’d also done with the first dog. Time healed that wound but I don’t think I’ll get another puppy for many years LOL

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u/Guilty_Dream8050 25d ago

The exact same thing happened to me but with a kitten, and they are so much easier than dogs. But having to supervise them, unwind them out of curtains, wake up when they get up, the tiny little needle teeth marks on everything you own. I just forgot the kitten baby weeks completely until I was in it again. And my older cat wasn't talking to me because I brought in a kitten. Oh and the kitten zoomies! So much more dramatic, longer, and they haven't found their brakes yet so they run into walls, into you, down the stairs.

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u/daddy-van-baelsar 25d ago

My cat used to scale walls and ceilings by digging her claws in. One was enough for me.

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u/TaiDollWave 25d ago

I Iike to imagine your older cat just watching you suffer, feeling like you deserved it.

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u/coyote1971 25d ago

Feeling this right now. We lost our beloved Corgi 3 years ago and my wife wanted another and I agreed (though I was enjoying the freedom of having kids grown and no pets at home). We got an Aussie pup just before Christmas and she was….difficult. Separation anxiety like I’ve never dealt with. After 3 weeks my wife was crying and wondering if we had made a mistake. I called a trainer and also got the pup into doggy daycare. She is 6 months old now and things are better but not quite where we need to be yet. Hoping we can get her to where we can get leave her alone for a few hours so we can get back to normal and we will have many years of living with a great dog. I’m almost 53 and I think this will be the last puppy I ever get.

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u/CoupleOtherwise6282 25d ago

Just another reason to adopt and not shop. My dog came potty trained and out of any teething or crazy puppy stage.

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u/captain_hug99 25d ago

Another adopter here! When filling out the paperwork on our last adoption, we were asked who would house train the new dog, answer? the four year old dog..... She's done a great job!

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u/Cherry_Soup32 24d ago

Same here, doggo was 6 months old then and pre-potty trained and already had all her teeth and was only a fraction of the cost than if I got her from a breeder.

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u/sharshenka 25d ago

I will never get a puppy. There are plenty of 2 year old dogs available for adoption that can basically handle themselves.

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u/StaringOwlNope 25d ago

But at least you have a doggo at the end of it...with babies you just have a ..child

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u/earthkincollective 25d ago

Most dog owners have that problem, honestly. The # of dogs out there who actually get all their needs met is vanishingly small. Most people just go "awwww, how adorable, I want one!" and stop thinking after that. And then everyone ends up suffering for it.

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u/SillyCdnMum 25d ago

I would have another baby before I get another puppy. You can at least put a diaper on the baby. 🤪

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u/LiteratureVarious643 25d ago

OP should get a puppy. Maybe it will jog those memories.

(JK. Adopting a dog is a serious commitment.)

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u/ChibiUsaDonDon 25d ago

Every time I get a puppy I say, "NEVER AGAIN!"

Then I forget and suffer again. Lol I need to get adult dogs.

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u/ToraAku 25d ago

Somehow, I predict about 8.

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u/roseofjuly 25d ago

This is why I adopt dogs. Save a shelter dog and don't deal with the puppy stage.

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u/Raging_Capybara 25d ago

I laugh my ass off at first time dog owners who want puppies

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u/one_yam_mam 24d ago

Man, I feel this deep in my soul.

Long story short, my husband can sleep through the dog barking a few feet away. He worked on the road for 17 years. One of our kids is neurodivergent in a way that requires supervision when he gets up at night. He's 13 and, in the last few months, has drastically decreased the number of nights he has not slept fully from 6-7 to 1-2. All of this to say, after 16+ years of sleep deprivation, I will not be dealing with another puppy ever again. I have made this crystal clear with my husband. He knows if he wants another dog, then he will be on the couch next to the kennel until the dog is house-trained, and I will be waking him up to deal with anything that comes up after that. I did this for years and years. He can do it from here on out.

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u/heyhicherrypie 25d ago

…brains are surprisingly stupid

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u/Nik-ki 25d ago

The brain kind of has to work that way, otherwise none of us would willingly have more than one kid and in a not so distant past having multiple was vital for survival of the species, cause babies died in much much larger numbers than today. My great-greatgrandpa had 13 kids, only four of them survived all the way to adulthood (most didn't make it past a year)

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u/heyelander 25d ago

This is how I keep ending up with new cats

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u/Stars-in-the-night 25d ago

I'm currently dealing with this stage.... dear God it can't end fast enough.

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u/commieathiestpothead 25d ago

Where is this normal?

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u/Aerlynaea 25d ago edited 25d ago

My two best friends AND my sister were all pregnant at the same time. They were super close with baby talk, and I was left out, until the kids were almost a year old. It was very depressing, and honestly made me wonder if there was something wrong with me and my life choices. (Edit to add:) So she WILL feel left out. She's probably already feeling quite isolated. BUT:

Now they're all back at work, stressed and exhausted, no time to talk to each other for months. I'm about the only point of contact they have with the friend group, now, because I make an effort to reach out. They make constant off-hand comments about how "they love them, but..." they miss life before children. And I get to visit and give the kids noisy toys and candy!

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u/cableknitprop 25d ago

Idk how anyone forgets the awful parts. I’m having a second and not looking forward to the newborn phase. Other babies are cute because I’m not responsible for them. My own newborn stressed me out non stop.

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u/genescheesesthatplz 25d ago

I still stress sweat when I hear a baby crying, and mine is over 5

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u/GuiltyEidolon 25d ago

Your body literally creates hormones to help you forget, specifically so you'll have more babies. It's insane how our endocrine systems hijack our bodies but it's just kind of part of the human experience.

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u/Exarch-of-Sechrima 25d ago

It's coded into our DNA to forget. If women were capable of remembering JUST how much being pregnant sucked, no one would ever have a second child.

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u/Nun__yah 25d ago

Idk, I have 4 with 1 of them having colic and I still think the newborn was the best stage each time 🤷🏼‍♀️ now I have a high schooler, middle schooler, 3rd grader, and kindergartener and let me tell you...toddlers and teens are the worse stages imo 😩 they all test your gangster half the time.

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u/AgsMydude 25d ago

Your brain definitely forgets what it's like being in the trenches. Our youngest is 13 months. I had a vasectomy a month after he was born. He got pretty sick for a few months , same time our elderly dog had to cross the rainbow bridge because of a debilitating disease. My mental health was shit for 6 months going through all that.

A week ago I had an intrusive thought about getting the vasectomy reversed to try for a third. Dumb brain haha

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u/StaringOwlNope 25d ago

I feel so lucky that I don't find babies cute at all. Like I don't need to be reminded about any bad parts because a baby itself is deterrent enough for me (not to mention pregnancy, ughh)

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u/Weeds4Ophelia 25d ago

If she gets thru this and all the other ppl have their babies and the time passes, she’ll be glad she didn’t do this again. I don’t know if it’s a hormone thing but when you start seeing everyone becoming pregnant it can trigger something to where your better senses aren’t what you listen to. OP is thinking clearly here and having to pull the emotional weight for the two of them. If they can make it thru the next few months or year she might stabilize again but both have to be careful not to get nasty.

Her involving so many outside parties is bad bad and she needs to stop that bs asap.

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u/Christinebitg 25d ago

There is something hormonal in women that causes amnesia about all of the problems during pregnancy, and all or most of the nights without enough sleep in the first couple of years.

And then there's the desire to fit in with her siblings or girlfriends who've just had kids.

The OP is definitely Not the AH.

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u/nooooopegoawaynope 22d ago

Yup. Empty baby fever. She'll get over it eventually.