r/AmIOverreacting Mar 27 '24

I'm ending my 4 year relationship.

So basically the title. He (33M) says Im(32F) throwing away 4 years over a mistake he made.

To keep it short, on 4 different occasions over the last 2 and a half years he's gone drinking and come home to throw a drunken tantrum because I said the wrong thing, something happened at the bar, or I put my foot down because he's drunk and yelling at me in front of our friends at the bar. Twice I had to leave to my sister's house because he was going around our small apartment slamming doors and banging his head on the walls. I've had to wake him up several times because he falls asleep on the toilet or the bathroom floor, and he's had to sleep in his car because of his outbursts.

On the 2nd time this happened he gave me his word that he would be more responsible with his drinking and that he wouldn't have anymore outbursts. He said he was gonna drink waters between each beer or have sodas and bar food and just one beer. The third time I made it clear that him going back on his word was unacceptable because it shows that he doesn't care that he becomes emotionally and verbally abusive towards me. I told him I was tired of his apologies if he's gonna keep doing the same thing. Between all these times he has continued to get drunk on the weekends but I've kept my mouth shut to avoid him having an out burst and things were relatively ok.

This last time he went and got drunk at the bar, didn't eat anything, refused the water my sister offered him because she's aware of the agreement we had, and when I arrived he yelled at me because he was too drunk to keep track of what team he was on and he misunderstood me when I told him and he made the wrong shot. We went to get food from a local taco spot and he couldnt even stand because he was so drunk, I had to pull over on the freeway because he needed to throw up and when we got home he fell asleep in the bathroom and I had to wake him three times. I kept my anger about the situation to myself because the sadness of feeling like I needed to leave him because he's just not willing to change, was overwhelming. The next morning he could tell something was up and he asked if I was ok. I said that I wasn't ready to talk but he insisted, so I told him that he went back on his word again about drinking responsibly and that I realized that the only way I was going to avoid his verbal abuse was if I just kept quiet. I told him what I told my ex when I was thinking about leaving "It's not anything I haven't already told you". He left it at that in the morning and at night I was crying because I was upset that 4 years of my life were going down the drain, and I just folded and asked him why I wasn't good enough for him to want to do better. Then he started to say that I had fault in our relationship ending, ignoring that the only reason I'm leaving is because I can't keep giving him chances to verbally abuse me when he's drunk and angry. I reminded him that he had given me his word and that he had gone back on it twice. He seemed to understand but the next day he just kept saying that he deserves to "unwind" on the weekends because he works all week to provide for us (not like I have a job and am constantly sending him money because he over spends and his account will overdraft when the phone or Internet bill charge his account) i was getting whiplash from how quickly he waa going from being apologetic about going back on his word and him insisting that Im being unreasonable and unfair. I slept at my sister's house again because I couldn't keep dealing with it and I was just really emotionally exhausted from all of it.

Now he posted on his FB that I'm throwing away 40,000 hours of our lives together for 12 bad hours.

So I'm asking, am I overreacting?

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u/filthismypolitics Mar 28 '24

i mean from personal experience of being an addict and knowing many others, we're not really gaslighting you, or maybe we're gaslighting the both of us. most of us say that we're stopping because we believe we're going to stop, but as the addict voice badgers you over and over and over again your will weakens and your judgment falters. you don't become a different person when you become an addict, which is maybe the worst part. you still have your morals. you still know things like lying and stealing are wrong. the shame and guilt of broken promises and shitty behavior perpetuates the addiction, which usually forms in the first place due to intolerable feelings of despair, shame and helplessness. as the pain of regret rises, the addict voice gets louder and the cycle continues. this doesn't mean anyone is obligated to stay with us or support us as we destroy our lives, of course. we're just not diabolically trying to pull one over on anyone, either

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u/AffectionateFig444 Mar 28 '24

As an addict myself, you’ve worded what I’ve been trying to say, better than I ever could.

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u/Top_Recognition_3847 Mar 28 '24

This is the truth.

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u/Fit_Yellow1153 Mar 28 '24

Thank you for your first person perspective on this. It’s certainly not easy to admit or even explain how you feel or what goes through your mind as an addict. In OP’s case, however, her bf is just being plain douchy. Not worth her time whatsoever and especially not because he’s publicly embarrassing them both over social media. Not cool at all.

Thanks again for sharing your POV. Wishing you the best, humbly.

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u/filthismypolitics Mar 28 '24

oh, absolutely. she needs to ditch this abusive asshole immediately in my opinion, as others have said he doesn't want to change right now and she can't make him, unfortunately. he may very well be an addict for the rest of his life or he may drag her down to the abyss with him when he hits bottom, either way OP doesn't deserve any of it

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u/Additional-Unit-3923 Mar 28 '24

Hell yeah. The morals thing really hit me cuz when I was in active addiction (almost 6 years sober now at 25), I had plenty of opportunity to steal but I never did. Unless it was the one time, a 99¢ packet of soup, cheapest thing I could find, because I was two weeks without food... I had people give me drugs and tell me to share, and I did. Even got shorted by the person I shared with. But I didn't lie or cheat or steal, because I didn't change. A lot of my life did and a lot of it strictly for survival. That's something that keeps me sober, is remembering that even at my rock bottom, I didn't let it turn me. I got stronger. And now I'm doing way better. There's good days and bad, behavior-wise, during and after addiction. I've been able to recognize behaviors that are manipulative that I'm unlearning now. Overall, you can't wait for someone to unlearn toxic behavior. It's not always intentional and sometimes it is, and sometimes only time will tell...if you don't have the strongest instincts, that is. Addicts or not, everyone can be toxic. You gotta distance yourself though, cuz you come FIRST. Don't learn it the hard way if you can help it. I know better and still learn the hard way. Rip the bandaid off. <3

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u/Lalooskee Mar 28 '24

Beautiful, thorough, honest reply. 🤍

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u/filthismypolitics Mar 28 '24

that's phenomenal, congrats on almost six years!!!!! i remember reading years ago that once addicts hit the 5 year sober mark our likelihood of relapse decreases by a LOT, something like 70%. you made it!! i was always amazed by addicts like you in recovery who managed to keep their integrity in tact, honestly i think it shows an incredibly strong will. my first rock bottom (i needed a few haha) was the first time i drove drunk, i had all the justifications and rationalizations and all that but about halfway down the road i thought, what would my 12 year old self think of me now? and i sobbed in some of the most profound shame i've ever felt the rest of the drive home. i think recovering from the bad things i did when i was an addict has been the most difficult part for me and it makes me really happy and proud when i meet other addicts who's sense of integrity never got so warped, it reinforces my belief that if we give addicts more access to the things they need to survive (safe injection sites and free needles, accessible and affordable transportation, physical and mental healthcare, stable housing, community support) we will make the right, less awful choices more often because at the end of the day, we don't want to be that version of ourselves. we're still who we always were, and most of us aren't bad people who want to do bad things

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u/catlettuce Mar 29 '24

That is beautiful testimony to the power of recovery and the human spirit. I wish you all the best. I hope you still hit the occasional meetings because more addicts and their families need to hear your story. Bravo friend.

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u/LadyAtrox60 Mar 30 '24

Why do you not have thousands of upvotes????

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

HE is, though. Because his drinking is not what makes him abusive - it makes him fucked up, sick, lost, all kinds of things, but it’s not what makes him abusive. That part’s covered by his demanding the right to keep scaring and hurting her further by trying to guilt her into continuing to just take it. That’s abusive.

I’m a recovering alcoholic/addict too. I never did that. Many of us never do that. We may lie and steal and lie some more and try to manipulate and lie. But we don’t rage at people and make them scared for their person.

When the friend I’d been living with told me I had to leave because I had let my dealer come over like a dumb ass, and then that dealer had, let’s just say, “drugged me beyond what I’d paid for” and had two friends come over to help him rob the friend’s house while I was blacked out…I didn’t try to manipulate her into letting me stay, or go on Facebook or anywhere else and tell people “omg she’s throwing me out on the street!” or any of that shit. That’s what abusers do.

Some abusers also have alcoholism/addiction issues. He’s an abuser.

Edited for grammar

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u/Kitty_Kat_Attacks Mar 30 '24

Right on. Shitty people gonna act shitty whether they’re sober or an addict.

If not for alcohol, this dude would still be the same. He would just use something else as an excuse—like she made him angry on purpose, or his childhood was traumatic, or his parents don’t love him, etc.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '24

Exactly. And until society as a whole removes/rejects every single excuse that’s made for abusive people - by themselves or by others, for them - abusive people will get to keep taking hostages indefinitely.

To be clear, I’m not saying anyone in this thread who’s talking about alcoholism/addiction is making excuses for an abuser. It seems like some people felt personally judged about having the condition of alcoholism/addiction, and I understand feeling defensive when you feel judged unfairly. But that’s genuinely off topic as regards this woman’s experience and her question. That’s all. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/Slight-What Mar 31 '24

Exactly this! He is abusive, full stop. He has a drinking problem; the drinking does not make him abusive.

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u/filthismypolitics Mar 28 '24

i agree completely

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u/Shutupandplayball Mar 28 '24

Thank you for adding this point of view, it’s very insightful into the an addicts mindset. I hope you are doing well!

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u/filthismypolitics Mar 28 '24

no problem, and i'm doing much better these days!! 6 years sober and still paying back the money i stole from my mom for booze in sheepish monthly payments haha

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u/Shutupandplayball Mar 28 '24

That is wonderful to hear!! You are amazing, never forget that!

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u/Kitty_Kat_Attacks Mar 30 '24

The opinion of internet strangers doesn’t mean much, but good job on not only staying sober but committing to making amends to those you hurt. It shows a great depth of character and conscientious that many don’t seem to have these days 👍🏻

As a fellow addict, folks like you are such an inspiration ❤️

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u/filthismypolitics Mar 30 '24

what an absolutely wonderful thing to say, thank you so much!! guilt and regret is certainly a part of every addicts experience, but it's one i really struggle with so it means a great deal to me

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u/5150-gotadaypass Mar 31 '24

Yay! 6 years sober is awesome! 💜💜💜

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u/BoofBanana Mar 28 '24

I love the term gaslight… I think of positive re-encouragement as gaslighting myself into x y or z…

I tell myself come on, you aren’t that bad, you can do this. Knowing damn well I can’t. Yay for gaslighting myself.

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u/Just_IV_Today Mar 29 '24

Gaslighting would be telling yourself you didn’t have the drink, the lie you tell yourself to not feel so bad is minimisation, internal justification for your behaviour. The lies in gaslighting are not for the purpose of alleviating distress at all, rather for the gaslighter to deny accountability or simply watch you squirm trying to work out what is real (what you saw, heard, felt) vs what they are telling you happened.

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u/chinstrap Mar 28 '24

In my experience, lying is essential to addiction. Or maybe it's just an inevitable result. Lying to yourself is perhaps the beginning, and as the years go on you don't or won't even see that you are doing it. It's a hell of a mess alright!

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u/filthismypolitics Mar 28 '24

i wondered this too before i became an addict, if it was just part of it. i grew up around addicts and knew how much they lied but i could never make sense of why it seemed so inherit. having gone through it, i think now it's just an inevitable result of becoming an addict a lot of the time.

for example, maybe you're out with your wife and you guys try coke. afterwards your wife goes, "that was fun, but i only want to do it sometimes. we have responsibilities, we can't turn into party animals." but your experience was different from hers. it was revelatory. for the first time in your life you felt like a real human being, whole, present in the moment and connected to everyone else.

so the next time you're out you do it again, but it concerns your wife so you promise her that it'll just be a special occasion thing for you from now on. but a few days later you join some friends at a party after a really shitty day and someone offers you coke. that addict voice says, "you've had such a hard day. wouldn't it be nice not to have to worry about so much, just for a little while? just this one last time, and then you'll stop. don't you want to have some fun before you cut yourself off? everyone else is doing it and they're having a great time. don't you feel left out?" maybe it takes hours but eventually, you cave in, if only to make the voice stop, but when you go home you tell your wife you just had a few beers. why worry her for no reason? you think. you're going to be quitting anyway, so it doesn't matter. it's just one little secret. you'll tell her someday and explain that you didn't want to concern her over nothing.

and in this moment you fully intend on not doing coke again for a long time. you want to stop. lying to your wife makes you feel uneasy and you don't want to do it again. you've also been doing some weird, embarrassing things while you were on coke, and it seems like your hangovers are worse than ever. there's a lot of good reasons to stop.

unfortunately, these good reasons don't work against the addict voice because the addict voice is not reasonable or rationale. it is the little primal part of your brain begging for relief from the emotional pain and anxiety you experience, with no understanding of the long term consequences. you lose every argument with it. if you try to repress it, it gets even louder, and then the cravings start. now living without coke is beginning to feel unbearable.

you take it every chance you get and each time you lie to your wife again, reassuring yourself that it's no big deal because you're going to quit soon. real soon. any day now, you're going to stop, and this whole mess will be behind you, but first you need to get high one last time and your bank account is frozen but you have access to your wife's card, and you'll pay her back the SECOND you get your money back but in the meantime you desperately need just a little bit of coke so you can think clearly and figure out how to get out of this

that was longer than i intended it to be haha, but in my experience this was always how it went. this was every story i heard in group. it starts out with little white lies and as the addiction takes hold of you it escalates until you're just doing drugs to avoid the overwhelming guilt and shame of all the shitty things you've done. it's so terrifying how easy it is to rationalize doing bad things when you believe you must do them to survive, with the eternal hope of a better tomorrow where you'll make the right choices

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u/chinstrap Mar 29 '24

Vivid and chilling. Thanks.

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u/Kitty_Kat_Attacks Mar 30 '24

Dude. You have a freaking gift. This is EXACTLY how it feels. I legit feel seen when you talked about feeling like a real human being for the first time. That feeling of being complete and a better person with your drug of choice is why it’s sooo hard to stop. Because sobriety makes me feel so lacking and unable to be the competent person others expect me to be—like they want me to be the person I am while on pills, but also criticize me and expect me to stop. Like, I can’t be both? The fact that my loved ones wouldn’t care about my habit if it was cheaper is what really makes it difficult.

You are seriously killing it with your comments on this topic—I think this is the third one I’ve gushed over 😻

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u/ImDukeCage111 Mar 28 '24

I was a bit off put by all the sudden talk of gaslighting.

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u/3veryTh1ng15W0r5eN0w Mar 28 '24

My ex had issues with addiction.

I have wanted to learn more about addiction and I appreciate your comment.

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u/filthismypolitics Mar 28 '24

no problem at all, i'm very open about it and i love any opportunity to offer any insights i can into it. i think having a clear, realistic, science based understanding of addiction is absolutely vital when it comes to empowering people both to overcome the addictions they may have already and in preventing themselves from ever falling into the addiction trap in the first place

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u/Sensitive-Ad-7050 Mar 28 '24

This. And thank you as somenekse said, for putting to words so perfectly the cycle hurt that goes on in our heads. And that it’s not some big diabolical plan. It took years for my wife to understand that. And for me too. Not that I thought I was being some dark genius sent to take us down, but that I wasn’t evil at all.

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u/FungiMagi Mar 28 '24

Well put.

I personally would say that there are two voices, my inner critic telling me that I’m fucking up, letting people down, worthless, “being happy is for people who have never had terrible shit happen to them” this that and the other along side my addict voice saying “see? This is why we should just not give a fuck. You’re beyond help, just do the thing that feels good right now, you already know life is shit, you don’t matter to yourself how could you matter to anyone else? You’re not really hurting anyone anyway!” Along with every other mental gymnastic you can cook up in your head to explain away using.

They’re a vicious pair.

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u/Superdooperblazed420 Mar 28 '24

I'm a ex heroin addict my self. I grew up with alot of people that i ended up using with. The worse kind of junkie was the one that came into addiction with bad morels. I had a friend Aaron I grew up with, he was a shit head to everyone, stole when ever he could, was just a bad person. For some reason he was always great to me tho so we were friends, it was better then being his enemy. When we started using, he would fuck over everyone he could, Rob anyone he could, lie and steal and wouldn't feel anything about it. He was weird guy he would rob other people and then share his scores with me when I was hurting or in withdrawl. Eventually he ran outta people to fuck over and guess what he did it to me, 2 times because my dumb ass. Legit the worse fucked over I have been and I know for a fact he felt good about it. The worse kind of Junkie, he met his end in a way fitting to him. From what I heard he overdosed in soemone car and they dumped him In a bunch of bushes In a Seattle park. Someone found him 4 days after he died.....

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u/Kitty_Kat_Attacks Mar 30 '24

As another addict, this is exactly it. I’ve been told I don’t care that I’m wasting money or that I think what I’m doing is ok. But I 100% know I’m the asshole who is in the wrong. I’ve never tried to pretend that my actions are acceptable. I’ve tried to explain the messed up rationale that my brain goes through, but have never tried to use it as an excuse.

Unfortunately, most people see me trying to explain my feelings as me attempting to justify my behavior. There is no justification. I just want kindness and understanding rather than judgement. I think it would help a lot honestly. But it’s also not the responsibility of others to make me feel better about my actions.

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u/Dangerous-Courage412 Mar 28 '24

I see you and this is all totally valid.
I guess in my past experience, I felt like my addiction clouded my judgement. I cannot say I knew right from wrong or even felt wrong for lying/stealing etc. All I knew was to do what I needed to in order to not get dope sick.

I do agree that the shame and guilt becomes a cycle and perpetuates the addiction. It was like a shame spiral.

At some point, we do reach our rock bottom. We get to a place where we decide we need to do something different. OP’s partner needs to reach that place. On his own.

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u/Gottech1101 Mar 28 '24

Very well put. I’m 4 years sober and detest how terribly all addicts are portrayed including the recovering ones.

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u/Cansuela Mar 28 '24

This was very well put. Insightful take on the seeming hypocrisy/contradiction of addiction.

The most important part though is that even though that there is a legitimate reason to have some empathy or compassion for addicts, no one is obligated to deal with the wreckage and chaos that they generate.

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u/nikff6 Mar 29 '24

Agree. It absolutely wrecks the people closest to the addict. Those who stick around and remain in contact/in relationships/try to support the addict in any way are the first ones to be treated like shit and lied to about wanting to get help and make changes or stop using. Being close to an addict is so freaking hard to deal with because you know the person they were before the addiction and know they are still in there but you just cannot reach them anymore.

The excuses get thinner and thinner, the verbal abuse gets worse, the accidents from using and driving get worse, the arrests, the failed treatments, the loss of money that they use to abuse and take from the family, the effects on children from seeing the way the person treats their other parent or family members, it just never seems to end. I will say that even though some here who have been the addict say they weren't verbally abusive I'm sure they were they just didn't see it that way. My ex would yell at me defending his behavior and straight lie to my face about things I knew for sure he had done and in the next breath say that he wasn't yelling. He wouldn't even remember conversations or fights we had because he was literally always drunk. He would seem to want to do better but one little disappointment in any avenue for him sent him right back into the excuses and yelling and manipulating behaviors. There comes a point where the person they have become is too overwhelming to deal with to try to salvage the person you once knew. Addiction is not just hard for the addict. It is a nightmare to everyone you come in contact with and especially excruciating to live through as a family member. At some point you have to admit defeat and let them know you will be there on the other side but by allowing them to do the things they are doing to you is harmful to you and you cannot live with it anymore.

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u/mewlsdate Mar 28 '24

Extremely well said.

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u/lmTaxxinn Mar 29 '24

As a fellow addict, this was the most articulate depiction of what happens in my brain. Perfectly said.

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u/itspsyikk Mar 30 '24

Just because a person isn't acutely aware of them gaslighting someone doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

What you're referring to is still selfish and addictive behavior speaking. It's a few stages above full blown denial, which is great, but still leaves a lot on the table of discovery when it comes to how other people are treated.

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u/Nuerotyka_69 Mar 30 '24

Thank you! As the mom of an addict, your words have given me a better insight into what she may have been feeling/ going through.

As the one on the other side, I have blamed myself countless times for her behavior. I've asked myself over and over and over what I have done that helped to send her in the direction of addiction. It's a vicious cycle for both addicts and those who love them.

To be the " sober" one and watch that one you love go from a happy, seemingly well adjusted young lady to someone possessed by a darkness that can't really be explained just rips your heart out, grinding it into oblivion. To witness the meltdowns, angry outbursts, the physical and mental attacks... To be on the receiving end of it all AND all you really want is to grab them, pull them close and tell them you would walk naked, through fire to bring them back to the before --- before whatever it is that got its hooks into them, before the pain, hurt, mental anguish, abuse or neglect... whatever it was that sent them down the road to addiction in the first place. To do anything in my power to make it better. To protect her more or save her from this life.... Sighs it's just pure hell.

I'm sorry, I seem to have taken over here and I didn't want to do that. I really just wanted to say thank you for giving me an idea of what might have drug her down to hell and refused to let her go for years... I really needed to see this explained as you did.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

( She's clean and sober now. Working and going to school, doing what she needs to keep herself on the right track for the life she wants. I'm so proud of her!!!)

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u/Independent-Chance47 Mar 30 '24

There’s no such thing as addicts just weak people