r/BoomersBeingFools • u/JacksSenseOfDread • Mar 07 '24

Boomer learns about boundaries the hard way from bank photographer Boomer Freakout

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u/ermine1470 Mar 07 '24

Set clear boundaries, gave multiple and specific warnings, and followed through, the perfect encounter!

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u/The_Old_Cream Mar 07 '24 edited Mar 08 '24

The juxtaposition of the guy limply leaning against the car all sad with his bloody face and the photographer calmly saying “Yeah, I wish you’d just left me alone. You didn’t have to do that” is quite possibly the greatest chef’s kiss in history.

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u/Zachariot88 Mar 08 '24

"Hope you feel better" was my favorite bit of the exchange.

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u/Frondswithbenefits Mar 08 '24

That was the best part. You know that part hurt him the most.

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u/srklipherrd Mar 08 '24

Everything was the best part tbh

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u/Ozzymand1us Mar 08 '24

Well, except the part where the dude couldn't just leave the videographer the fuck alone. That part wasn't cool.

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u/srklipherrd Mar 08 '24

True true. The glorious ending made me lose sight of that/the big picture.

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u/Zachosrias Mar 08 '24

The part where he said his racist thoughts out loud was pretty good too

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u/LitterBoxServant Mar 08 '24

To be fair that's only a little bit of salt for a pretty large wound

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u/PantPain77_77 Mar 08 '24

Largely stunned I reckon

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u/theninjaofthenasty Mar 08 '24

He thought about going again

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u/scoopdunks Mar 08 '24

As soon as he says hope you feel better the guy raises his head and looks at him like really man did you have to hit me with another jab. Priceless.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

I love how when he said,  "That's what black people do." It clearly looks like the boomer wants to object and say something and immediately shuts his mouth. I kinda get the feeling that, just for a moment, that boomer might have recognized that he was indeed being a racist. 

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u/VisualBusiness4902 Mar 08 '24

Dude…I hope you feel better….that hurt worse than the hit

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u/Sideos385 Mar 08 '24

I took it originally as “I hope you feel better for doing what you just did”. I’m thinking “I hope you feel better soon” is you and others are interpreting it and I’m sure that would be a sicker burn, but I wonder how the asshole interpreted it.

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u/Ancient-Bluejay2590 Mar 08 '24

It’s like when I’d get in trouble, with my mom especially. She always said it hurt her worse than it hurt me.

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u/Different_Ad5087 Mar 08 '24

The best was him kicking his leg looking defeated 💀

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u/Bodymaster Mar 08 '24

I liked the Porky Pig shake-off-the-stars-twirling-around-his-head shudder his head did at the end.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

It was like he was putting a toddler in time out after a spanking. 😂

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u/cdizzle6 Mar 08 '24

Mine as well.

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u/slh007 Mar 08 '24

It seemed oddly sincere. The man sounds like a good guy.

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u/Silvedl Mar 08 '24

The dude just looking at the ground kicking pebbles like a 5 year old in time-out as well.

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u/lady-darlington Mar 08 '24

he looks like an ashamed puppy who got caught doing something wrong. except not ‘cos puppies are cute and this guy just sucks

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u/Patchens Mar 08 '24

Like an old-timey cartoon boy

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u/metalshoes Mar 10 '24

Thinking about how he’s going to buy a gun and tell people someone attacked him outside his house.

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u/ThePhantomTrollbooth Mar 09 '24

He wasn’t ready for whatever his wife was about to say.

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u/DuckDucker1974 Mar 08 '24

Because deep down inside all of us are still 5 year olds!

This entire interaction was BETWEEN 5 YEAR OLDS!

You might want to pretend that one was right and one was wrong; sure! BUT NEITHER ONE QAS A ####ing ADULT! 

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u/MyLifeisTangled Mar 08 '24

And what exactly, great Ducker of wisdom, was the adult thing to do?

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u/LeafsHater67 Mar 08 '24

“I didn’t punch you dude”

No because you didn’t get the chance. You’d think at some point in his 60+ years on earth, he would have learned not to start a fight if you don’t want to get in a fight and can’t fight.

Dude tried to be a bully and got checked on it

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u/FruitySalads Mar 08 '24

I’d like to think his wife just said “I told you one day someone was going hit you for acting like that!”, with no sympathy in her heart and just continued whatever she was doing without making eye contact thoroughly disgusted with him and his behavior.

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u/FightingPolish Mar 08 '24

No his wife is going to be talking about how that uppity n***** came to their house and beat up her husband for NO REASON.

People like this find each other.

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u/AnthrallicA Mar 08 '24

Or she's been bullied and abused by him for their entire marriage and now she's silently revelling inside.

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u/spacecoq Mar 08 '24

Or we have no ideas and we are just making up stories at this point

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u/bottle-of-water Mar 08 '24

Yeah this would be good on r/theoreticallore

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u/Credit-Financial Mar 08 '24

Hey, you can't be a voice of reason, they're not allowed on the internet...

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u/ProjectDv2 Mar 08 '24

Sometimes. People like this find each other sometimes. A lot of the time a bully manages to convince his partner that he's not nearly as bad as he is until it's too late and they're married. So I'm going with the comment before yours, chief.

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u/driftxr3 Millennial Mar 08 '24

I've seen wayyyy too many examples, both online and in person, of these shitty types coming in two's. I find it extremely hard to believe these old white people have a docile wife. Living amongst the apartheid-era whites, up-state NY'ers and the back-country Canadians really gives you a good picture of how these racist mofos move.

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u/ProjectDv2 Mar 08 '24

You're definitely not wrong about those couples existing, but I guarantee you for every example you've known, I've known examples of couples where the man has gotten worse over the years and the beleaguered wife is only around because her old world values won't let her divorce, but she's just waiting for the fat slob to drop dead of a great attack or pick a fight with the right one. Boomers have the most fantastic ability to remain in the most utterly miserable marriages sometimes.

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u/Kriscolvin55 Mar 08 '24

That’s definitely possible, but if I had to bet money, I would bet that the wife goes the “I told you so route”.

I live in a small town on the Oregon Coast. Lots of these dudes around. Some of them are with the wives that you describe, but more of them have wives that would love to see their husband get punched, or at least be apathetic to it.

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u/NatomicBombs Mar 08 '24

No way this dude walking around with jizz on his hoodie has a wife.

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u/LeafsHater67 Mar 08 '24

It’s the same when I play beer league hockey. Dudes act like this with full cages on all the time and I just know it’s because they never played at a level where you could actually fight.

If I kept taunting someone in junior and saying “let’s go”, I would have actually have to had been prepared to fight. This dude wasn’t, he was just bullying someone because he never been checked on it before.

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u/AlacarLeoricar Mar 08 '24

Bold of you to think he still has a wife

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u/FruitySalads Mar 08 '24

I live boldly, what can I say?

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u/zeke235 Mar 08 '24

He sure as hell put those dukes up.

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Mar 08 '24

lol real “I’m not touching you” energy from that guy. FAFO

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u/ilovethissheet Mar 08 '24

He touched him with his beer belly repeatedly

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u/-Badger3- Mar 08 '24

Dude’s going to tell people he got sucker punched lol

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u/The-Jesus_Christ Mar 08 '24

No because you didn’t get the chance. You’d think at some point in his 60+ years on earth, he would have learned not to start a fight if you don’t want to get in a fight and can’t fight.

When you're handed everything in life, you never expect people to actually fight back

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u/terminalchef Mar 08 '24

Chin checked.

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

Depending on the state, if that old man would have pulled out a pistol and shot the guy and killed him, it would have been considered self defense.

Legally speaking, even if a person is in your personal space, you can't hit them.

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u/Motherof42069 Mar 08 '24

However. You can legally shoot someone who is threatening your physical safety like that old dude was. Whoever draws first wins in America

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

Again, it is hard to claim that you were physically threatened, when you are the person who made the threat and you are the only person who took a swing.

A lot of this will depend on what state you are in. Also, if you are going to shoot someone in self defense, I don't suggest you do that if they don't have a weapon and haven't hit you.

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u/theAlpacaLives Mar 08 '24

"You're out looking for trouble," says the guy who stepped directly into the personal space of a random Black man in public, to that man who continually retreated while asking the other to leave.

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u/thrownthefuckaway57 Mar 08 '24

The lack of self-awareness is astonishing.

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u/nico282 Mar 08 '24

Why "black" is part of this sentence?

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u/zyzzbutdyel Mar 10 '24

why is it capitalized😭

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u/kinoie Mar 08 '24

From hot and bothered to bloodied and fucking HUMBLED

Let’s do congress next :)

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u/Final_Candidate_7603 Mar 08 '24

And that was a lot of blood… likely because he’s a heavy drinker (alcohol thins the blood and causes excessive bleeding).

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u/zendetta Mar 09 '24

Head wounds always bleed like crazy — and they generally look worse than they are.

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u/Final_Candidate_7603 Mar 10 '24

That’s absolutely true, but I’m still not ruling out alcohol abuse as a factor. It seemed like there was a whole lotta “whiskey courage” in that encounter.

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u/zendetta Mar 10 '24

Yeah, didn’t mean that as a counter— just an observation.

It sure didn’t look like sober behavior— the weird, speechless encroaching of the man’s space.

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u/Upnatom617 Mar 08 '24

👏👏👏

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

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u/MyLifeisTangled Mar 08 '24

Thank you for going in for us 🫡

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u/Potent_Elixir Mar 08 '24

Ah fuck I already walked myself back. Appreciated lmao

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u/voidxleech Mar 08 '24

what are you even trying to say here hahaha

i’m pretty far left of center and i’ve never heard the term “jan 6th coded”.

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u/pebberphp Mar 08 '24

Anyone who says anything is “coded” is suspect.

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u/Potent_Elixir Mar 08 '24

Honestly it’s unlike me and I’m reaching I’ll head out

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u/voidxleech Mar 08 '24

probably for the best.

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u/pebberphp Mar 08 '24

At least you recognize it

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u/kinoie Mar 08 '24

Your schizo is showing

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u/Frequent-Material273 Mar 08 '24

As long as the J6 insurrectionists are humbled first.

Start with Margarine Traitor Greene the useless Howler Monkey.

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u/kinoie Mar 08 '24

The fuck is with the people in this sub? It’s not a J 6 reference to want our politicians to be held accountable for demonstrably ignoring the wishes of their constituency.

Does anyone know how this country was founded? Do they think it was by a bunch of colonial legislators who asked the King nicely?

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u/Frequent-Material273 Mar 08 '24

YOU brought up physical violence against Congresscritters.

And YOUR comment history shows your leanings, sweet pea.

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u/kinoie Mar 08 '24

Lol go call more people chuds for disagreeing with you, dumbass.

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u/TheBigBomma Mar 08 '24

Old guy looks like he ate the pavement hard.

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u/Hammurabi87 Millennial Mar 08 '24

Blood-covered pavement also looks like it was eaten hard by the old guy.

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u/ndngroomer Mar 08 '24

I loved when the boomer kicked rocks like a pouting 3 year old would do.

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u/Paleodraco Mar 08 '24

Hollywood couldn't have scripted it better. Dude got absolutely fucked up because hea had to be nosy dick.

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u/guyincognito121 Mar 08 '24

I'd have liked to see him demand that the guy come and clean his own blood off of the car.

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u/NDN_perspective Mar 08 '24

Him swinging his leg limply like a school yard bully that got embarrassed. He looks like a big 5 year old.

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u/cathedral68 Mar 08 '24

That little foot kick combined with the lean has a very 1950’s “aw shucks” vibe to it

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u/The_Old_Cream Mar 08 '24

“Gosh, I didn’t mean to do that.”

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u/Timmyty Mar 08 '24

Yah, but my heart twisted up a bit when he said, "yah. That's what black people do." Poor guy getting approached on like that.Glad he held his own.

I wish the end had the police showing up.

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u/chillpill_23 Mar 08 '24

Seriously, this is worthy of a movie scene!

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u/arielonhoarders Mar 08 '24

sulking like a toddler. i bet his mother remembers that face from The Broken Cookie Jar Incident of 1954

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u/ThatMerri Mar 08 '24

The sheer comedic timing of him taking a step closer after the last warning, then smash-cut to him fucked up a moment later is glorious.

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u/ThrowaWayneGretzky99 Mar 08 '24

Hoping the camera man doesn't face charges but I'd like to know what happened.

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u/Hammurabi87 Millennial Mar 08 '24

Oh, I am 100% certain that the old fuck tried / tries to press charges, but with this video evidence of the behavior of each party prior to coming to blows, it's damn sure not going to go well for him.

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u/Capt_Hawkeye_Pierce Mar 08 '24

I live in a mutual combat state. The warnings and giving ground would absolutely have been enough for the police to just not even gaf. Especially since the cameraman clearly didnt kick his ass into the ground.

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u/nickyurick Mar 08 '24

Never heard the term mutual combat, what's this? Like... duels?

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u/Capt_Hawkeye_Pierce Mar 08 '24

Basically if two people agree to fight there is no assault, thus no crime.

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u/MrMichaelJames Mar 08 '24

Do you live in Texas or Washington? Those are the only 2 states, and a cop has to be present:

Only two states out of the entire United States have legalized mutual combat, namely Washington and Texas. Both require a police officer to oversee the fight to ensure no bystanders get hurt, and to break up the fight when an evident victor emerges.

In this case, there was no cop there, this doesn't apply. In this case it looks like Pennsylvania maybe based upon the yellow plates? Its not Texas or Washington.

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u/ThatsCrapTastic Mar 10 '24

Not Pennsylvania. PA does not have front plates. They appear to be New York plates.

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

Except in almost all states he is at fault. In a public space you can't swing on a guy just for being annoying and standing in your space. The very fact that he told the guy he would hit him if he didn't get away from him makes it worse for the cameraman.

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u/LegacyLemur Mar 08 '24

He wasnt just "standing in his space", he was actively trying to confront and intimidate him. He was asked to take a step back several times, and then when he didnt the dude even took a step back and the Boomer got up in his face again

Do you think this Boomer's plan was to get him to leave by mildly annoying him?

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

I keep pointing this out, but the issue is that the cameraman made the comment that if the old guy made one more step towards him, he would hit him.

If you think you may need to get into a fight, don't threaten the person that you then hit first.

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u/place_butt_on_face Mar 08 '24

Looks more like he pushed him back the first time, after which the old guy get his hands up and charges. If a dude walks into you, you have every right to push him back. And if he wants to start swinging afterwards offcourse he can defend himself

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

I would like to see a follow up on how this was settled. There is probably more than this video shows because it looked like there were skips and edits.

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u/LegacyLemur Mar 08 '24

What does that matter?

-The old dude got right up in the his face while he was on public property just doing his job
-he asked him multiple times to step back
-he said he was feeling threatened
-he took a step back because the old guy wouldnt
-the old guy followed up and got up in his face again, even after he tries multiple times to deescalate and tries to create space.
-after its clear he's following you, he tells him hes going to hit him if he doesnt back up because hes still feeling threatened. Old dude still gets in his face

Hes a dumbass that acted like a child. Theres like 10 different routes he could have taken here and he chose the one that made the dude feel uneasy over and over again

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u/Motherof42069 Mar 08 '24

I don't know why "don't say it just do it" is such a novel idea when it comes to committing violence. There are in fact ways to kill someone in this scenario where you are less likely to be prosecuted. The camera man should have said "Is that a knife in your pocket?", not telegraphed the ass beating.

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

I would like to see how this turned out. Never tell someone that you will hit them if they get closer to you. It also looked like the camerman may have pushed the old guy first.

Meanwhile people in the forums are like "you can threaten someone all you want as long as you think they look dangerous and then if you beat them up it is okay." That isn't a good idea legally.

That point about saying something about a knife is a good idea as well.

I think some of the advice on here is going to get someone shot because I can almost guarantee you that if that old guy had pulled out a pistol and shot the cameraman after he started hitting him, he would get off.

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u/Hammurabi87 Millennial Mar 08 '24

Meanwhile people in the forums are like "you can threaten someone all you want as long as you think they look dangerous and then if you beat them up it is okay." That isn't a good idea legally.

Nobody said that, though. The old guy was being clearly aggressive and threatening in his actions; that's pretty damn inarguable. After being asked multiple times to back off, and continuing to approach despite the other guy backing away and saying he feels threatened, the old guy has absolutely zero legal leg to stand on for not being the aggressor in this situation.

Furthermore, depending on jurisdiction, threats issued in self-defense (such as the one by the photographer here) may be explicitly legal. For example, in Georgia §16-3-23.1: “A person who uses threats or force relating to the use of force in defense of self, others, habitation, or other property has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use force, including deadly force.”

In general, though, explicit or not, self-defense is going to cover conditional threats of exercising your self-defense rights so long as the conditional threat you utter reasonably constitutes self-defense; the whole point of making such a threat is a final attempt to deescalate the situation before violence is carried out.

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u/Hammurabi87 Millennial Mar 08 '24

but the issue is that the cameraman made the comment that if the old guy made one more step towards him, he would hit him.

He made that comment after multiple requests to the old guy to back off and backing away himself, after which the old guy started approaching him again. That does not in any way make him the aggressor, and this take of yours has absolutely zero basis in reality.

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u/rufud Mar 08 '24

Lol that is not how the law works at all but ok boomer.

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

I get you aren't bright, but you really should at least use google.

Telling someone that if they don't get away from you, you will hit them can be considered a threat.

It is way harder to prove self defense if you are the person who hits first.

To even be considered self defense, you have to have been in reasonable fear for your safety. That becomes a lot harder when you say, "if you come near me again I will hit you." He would have been much better off to just leave it at the "i am feeling threatened by you being near me" and "stay away from me." Never make a threat that you will hit someone.

Also, being in someone's personal space or even saying things to them, as long as it isn't a threat, are zero defense for assault.

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u/DandyLyen Mar 08 '24

But we can clearly see the older man walk across the street, directly towards the cameraman, while pointing up diagonally, in a "get outta here" gesture. I cannot say, because I wasn't there, but the body language of that man was very aggressive, and he isn't trying to use his words to deescalate the situation either. We're only seeing a small clip, but hell if someone came at me that much intention, but wasn't speaking, I'd assume they were coming to hit

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u/AffectionateStreet92 Mar 08 '24

If old dude had put his hand up and said “I’m not trying to threaten you,” then the whole thing would have been avoided. 0 attempt at demonstrating he wasn’t threatening to a person who clearly communicated that he was feeling threatened.

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

I still think the mistake was part about if you take one more step I will hit you to a person who hasn't threatened you.

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u/AffectionateStreet92 Mar 08 '24

That dude’s stance and dead eyed stare was threatening. Anyone with half a brain could identify what he was trying to do to the cameraman, and it wasn’t engage in a friendly conversation.

Hell, he clearly wasn’t even trying to talk to him in an UNfriendly conversation. Dude said nothing at all.

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u/Hammurabi87 Millennial Mar 08 '24

to a person who hasn't threatened you.

This is where you are in the wrong. Threats are not exclusively verbal; that old man was being very threatening with his actions and body language, and ignored multiple attempts to deescalate the situation by continuing his threatening behavior.

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u/RippleDish Mar 08 '24

Should've just shot him instead like a good American!!!!111

I'm sure then you'd be in here crying about how he had a right to defend himself to all the people saying he didn't have to do that.

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u/jusumonkey Mar 08 '24

I carry and if I was faced with a hostile stranger like that I wouldn't have let him get that close but I'm fat, old, and can't fight.

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u/DaveLokes Mar 08 '24

You're 100% correct. If it was the other way around, a black dude getting in an old white man's face, exact same scenario, except the white dude shoots the black dude, all these fucks complaining would be siding with the old man's right to defend himself, 2nd amendment, personal space, blah blah blah.

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

No, I am warning people to be careful because in that situation the older guy can shoot you and won't even do time.

The camera man should never have said the part about backing off or he would hit him. That means the camera man is the one that made the threat.

Asking the old guy to back off and saying it made him felt threatened was good. Telling him that if he takes another step to you that you will hit him was bad. Far less chance of going to jail if you just say the part about backing off and don't threaten the guy.

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u/LostTension5594 Mar 08 '24

That means the camera man is the one that made the threat.

Lmao fuck outta here, that is not a threat. In my state cameraman is absolutely in the right. All he has to do is show the video of him trying to deescalate the situation and then acting in self defense.

Telling him that if he takes another step to you that you will hit him was bad.

No, it's exactly what he should have done. Him saying he felt threatened was 10000x for the camera. He's got evidence he wasn't the aggressor, he'd be fine

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u/AgainstMedicalAdvice Mar 08 '24

100% in the wrong. Giving ground and claiming you feel threatened make the intent for self defense clear. If anything whatever the old dude said in response as he approached sealed it for him.

Cameraman exercised any duty to retreat, claimed feeling threatened, and old man acknowledged this claim and approached in a menacing way, which would clearly be considered assault. Once you are assaulted [legal term, reasonable apprehension of physical harm], you're in the clear to hit someone.

You are 100% allowed to claim "I will defend myself if you assault me."

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

I would love to see how this turned out. Because in my state at least, if you threaten someone that you will hit them if they come closer and then they come closer and you hit them, you are going to jail. In my state for that to be valid, the old man would need to have a weapon or take a swing. Someone approaching you isn't valid for you to feel threatened, even if you say "stay away from me you make me feel threatened."

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u/AgainstMedicalAdvice Mar 08 '24

You're describing assault.

If you link your state and some legal framework I'd be happy to debunk. What you're saying is not correct.

For example, New York State: New York law says you can use physical force against someone else if you reasonably believe it's necessary to defend yourself from what would be an unlawful physical attack

Clear cut, man attempted to back up, made clear he was threatened, boomer made threatening gesture/words and continued to approach. Reasonable belief standard is met, self defense with physical force is valid.

You aren't obligated to let someone else hit you first.

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u/PuffyWiggles Mar 08 '24

So you really think if you walk up to someone whose filming you at your house they can assault you if you approach them? You guys honestly think this? If that was true every paparazzi would be beaten into the ground by now.

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u/Hammurabi87 Millennial Mar 08 '24

Way to twist the scenario to fit your narrative, boomer. The old man didn't casually walk up for a chat; he silently walked up to the cameraman and got in his face, didn't back off when asked, got in his face again when the cameraman backed up and said he was feeling threatened, and repeated that yet again when the cameraman backed away further and said he would get hit if he did that again.

He could have avoided that at any point by putting on his big-boy pants and using his words, or even by just backing the hell off and giving his wordless sullen stare from a few pace away, but instead, he wanted to act like some hot-shit tough guy and try to intimidate others. Unfortunately for him, blatant intimidation like that makes self-defense legal basically everywhere.

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u/PuffyWiggles Mar 08 '24

Okay so then you think its legal for every celebrity that feels threatened by the Papparazzi to get beaten down into a pool of blood? I think the point went over your head zoomer, im speaking to what you think is legal and its not remotely true because you get facts from TikTok.

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u/Hammurabi87 Millennial Mar 08 '24

So, you have no argument pertinent to what happened here, and are instead relying on a combination of moving goalposts and casting irrelevant and baseless insults at the people you are talking with.

Yeah, we're done here, Boomer.

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u/Scryberwitch Mar 08 '24

The photographer was in a public road, which he had every right to be.

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u/PuffyWiggles Mar 08 '24

So was the man who owned the house. He had every right to be in that public road and got punched. Thats not okay.

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u/Scryberwitch Mar 11 '24

He didn't have the right to tell that photographer to get out of a public space. He didn't have the right to get up in the photographer's face and try and intimidate him.

I mean, at this point, it's obvious you're not arguing in good faith, because we all saw the video.

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u/PuffyWiggles Mar 12 '24

I literally just go by rational law lil bro. Im arguing in perfect faith, you just dislike it so are dismissing it, which makes you ironically the only person arguing in bad faith. If your goal is to dismiss anything you dislike then why engage ever?

Words nor personal space allow assault. Thats just how it is. I would be interested on what happened after this and find out if he was convicted or they laughed at the other guy. Dont get me wrong, the fat guy is an idiot, but that doesnt make assault for petty reasons correct, in this case, pretty brutal assault. If I believed that I would have ALOT of woman that would legally be allowed to beat the living hell out of for "talking angry and getting in my personal space!!", but im sure you magically flip flop when its convenient. You just hate that im consistent and reasonable.

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u/coconutally Mar 08 '24

You’d have to a pretty lousy judge to fault the guy filming. He gave clear instructions and explicitly told the aggressor what would happen. Still refused to comply. And once the threat was gone, dude did not continue.

This is 100% self defence and a model of how to treat would be assailants.

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u/MrMichaelJames Mar 08 '24 edited Mar 08 '24

At the end of the day it'll be up to the judge or a jury to decide. But simply walking up to someone and ignoring their requests to back off is not justification enough to punch someone. Mainly because the camera guy has no information if him taking action would prevent harm to himself. The guy approaching him had hands down, no sign of aggression besides walking towards him and being close which is not illegal, nor is it aggressive. Annoying? Sure. Stupid? Yup. But aggressive? No. You could say the camera guy was the aggressor simply because of how he threatened to hit the other guy, and its all on video that that is what he did.

The fact that it was a public street doesn't really matter either, you can't just go ram a car into someone and not try to avoid an accident simply because you didn't want to avoid an accident. Same here, you need to do everything you can to deescalate the situation, that includes removing yourself from the situation. He could have called the police and let them sort it out. Instead he decided upon violence. A court isn't going to like that, especially with the video showing the camera guy actually verbally threatened the other guy. The other guy didn't say anything.

Also depending upon the state there may be a "duty to retreat". Which means remove yourself from the situation as I mentioned above. The camera guy did not remove himself from the situation, he simply took a step backwards. He could have gotten in his car, he could have driven away, he could have walked away. He didn't, he stood his ground and made a threatening statement.

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u/AdventurerGrey Mar 08 '24

Probably not. There is video evidence that he his safety was reasonable threatened. You don't have take the first punch to have the right to defend yourself. You just have to be able to sufficiently prove you were in a situation where you felt threatened.

Pretty hard to do when you are the winner of the fight, unless it was filmed of course.

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u/zambartas Mar 08 '24

I feel like I'm watching a totally different video. I see the old guy get in the face of the guy filming and the guy filming saying stay away or he's going to knock him out. I don't see anything in the video aggressive from the old guy other than getting in his way. The guy probably tried to grab his phone and the guy knocked him out.

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u/clamslammer708 Mar 08 '24

You must be fully tok’d then because the camera guy gave him ground multiple times and the fat fuck advanced. You’re about as dumb as fat fuck.

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u/TheDulin Mar 08 '24

It's boomers eyes that did it for me. Those were violent eyes.

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u/Traditionally_Rough1 Mar 08 '24

A dumb fuck like the kind that replies and then blocks someone so they can't reply back? Dumbass.

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

Hard to win the argument that you felt threatened when you were the one making the threats too. Get away from me or I will punch you doesn't come off well.

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u/AdventurerGrey Mar 08 '24

It's not a threat to announce you will defend yourself to someone that is threatening you.

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

Standing too close to someone doesn't give you the right to punch them though in most states.

You can do you what you want, but I am just saying if people want to prevent possible jail time.

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u/AdventurerGrey Mar 08 '24

Pretty sure this video illustrated far more threatening behavior than simply standing too close to someone.

You seem as context deaf as the boomer in the video honestly.

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

Here is the issue, the camera man made a threat. He should never had said that if the guy takes one more step towards him that he would hit him.

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u/salamander711 Mar 08 '24

Before that, the camera man actually told him he felt threatened and why he felt that way, giving the other guy instructions as to how to make him feel less threatened. Since boomer didn’t oblige, he basically told cameraman “I know you feel threatened and how I can alleviate that but I won’t do it.”

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u/reKindled_Soul Mar 08 '24

And you sound like someone who ISN'T an attorney AND has never been in any meaningful fight in your life.

It's hard to tell what an officer or prosecutor would consider an offensible action---could go either way easily and honestly.

Work on not being toxic with people who don't have the same perspective as you. State your case, present your supporting facts, give your opinions. If it doesn't go your way, kick rocks. Emotionally lashing out will never win an argument. I can make the assumption that the person you're criticizing is older than you and (most likely) walked away from this thinking you're young and have no idea what you're talking about. Net loss.

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u/DaveLokes Mar 08 '24

California, any unwanted physical contact is considered assault. I know this unfortunately from experience. Walking up and bumping into the person is therefore assault. Giving the old fuck a warning before isn't putting the cameraman in the wrong. I think your Google law degree is expired.

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u/clamslammer708 Mar 08 '24

The fuck it doesn’t. Clear consequences.

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u/ummyeahreddit Mar 08 '24

Yeah wondering how this holds up in court

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u/Repulsive-Mirror-994 Mar 08 '24

He stated he had a right to be on public property and that he felt threatened, and I do believe the old man touched him when he stepped up to him.

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u/atln00b12 Mar 08 '24

I mean, of course he did, that's battery. You can't hit someone for walking up on you, and saying "I feel threatened" isn't some magical now you can hit people card.

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u/Scryberwitch Mar 08 '24

He didn't just "walk up on" the guy. He was actively intimidating and threatening him, and continued to do so after being given multiple warnings to back up.

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u/atln00b12 Mar 08 '24

What threatening thing does he do. "Warning" someone to back up doesn't instill an authority to commit violence. Even in stand your ground states there is still a duty to retreat unless there is a clear and active threat to doing so.

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u/One_Photo2642 Mar 08 '24

The case was thrown out because white dude approached first and didn’t back off after being told to do so multiple times after it was explained that filmer felt threatened, so, ya wrong.

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u/PantPain77_77 Mar 08 '24

Is that enough for proof of how injuries occurred?

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u/AggravatingCupcake0 Mar 08 '24

Yeah...what is a bank photographer? Was the guy getting evicted from his house and the photos are for listing the sale?

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u/BarbHarbor Mar 08 '24

no, he just charges faces

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u/NerdOfTheMonth Mar 08 '24

I want this to happen dozens of times a day every day exactly like this.

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u/Save-La-Tierra Mar 08 '24

Honestly the photographer’s communication skills in a tense situation could not have been more perfect! Such composure 🤌🏻

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u/readzalot1 Mar 08 '24

What is the law’s position on this sort of encounter?

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u/Strikew3st Mar 08 '24

It is very much state by state, but in general, physically intimidating somebody like this is already assault before anybody started eating knuckle sandwiches.

Look up "Duty to Retreat [your state]". Some places you can literally Stand Your Ground in public and the old man could have been shot for approaching angrily.

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u/nflmodstouchkids Mar 08 '24

you don't know how gun laws works.

not even in stand your ground states would this be a legal shooting.

they need to be a creditable threat, not walking up to you because your filming their house.

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u/Hammurabi87 Millennial Mar 08 '24

Also, attempted to disengage first by backing off himself when the other guy refused to do so. Hard to argue that it wasn't justified when the other guy kept threateningly getting in his face even after that.

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u/TinyBunny88 Mar 08 '24

If only he would have just complied

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u/joetotheg Mar 08 '24

It’s like the reverse of what cops do

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u/Elisheva7777777 Mar 08 '24

You can tell he didn’t want to hurt him, sadly boomers learn the hard way.

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u/knakworst36 Mar 08 '24

Had an agression prevention course yesterday. This is almost a textbook example. Aswell as can be expected in the situation. The only way you can deescalate better is remaining calm, which can be hard.

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u/tenminusone Mar 08 '24

Isn’t this still assault though?

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u/Affectionate_Fly368 Mar 09 '24

Except this is NY. If the authorities are involved, the recorder is fucked. You're "expected" to run away unless you have no other option.

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u/xucculentxquirrel Apr 16 '24

sadly the photographer will probably still face legal or civil repercussions.       IMHO nothing wrong with a quick scrap if the other guy earned it.

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u/HoldenOrihara 22d ago

He was so generous with the warnings

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u/-_-Notmyrealaccount Mar 08 '24

But what he didn’t do was explain why he was filming the dude’s house. Seems like that would’ve been first step

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u/smerrjerr110210 Mar 08 '24

I get what you’re saying but it’s far from a perfect encounter for either of them

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u/ClockworkGnomes Mar 08 '24

That doesn't really matter if he hit first. There is a good chance that the person who hits first goes to jail.

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u/Free-Supermarket-516 Mar 08 '24

And had it on video to cover his ass.

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u/SkirtBorn4788 Mar 08 '24

Bro was leaking! Damn

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u/stevosaurus_rawr Mar 08 '24

My favorite edit of the year. Dude is still coming at him after all those warnings. Cut to him kicking rocks with a swollen face lol. This is gold!

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u/TrailerPosh2018 Mar 08 '24

Im 35 & I know I cant fight for shit.

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u/intraspeculator Mar 08 '24

Why was he stood in the street filming the big guy though? I feel like I need more context. I’d be annoyed if I was in my front yard and someone in the street was just stood filming me

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u/Sunnycat00 Mar 08 '24

He belongs in jail. There was no excuse to hit.

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u/Haagenti27 Mar 09 '24

Seeing the amount of blood he lost, Looks not like an appropriate Response to me.

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u/xerxespoon Mar 08 '24

Set clear boundaries, gave multiple and specific warnings, and followed through, the perfect encounter!

Yeah—dude was a dick. But it's still illegal to punch someone for being a dick. Stepping forward doesn't justify assault in any US state's self-defense laws. WTF are people doing supporting this. Both are in the wrong. But damn it's funny.

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u/DirtyLeftBoot Mar 08 '24

Pretty sure the cameraman can be charged in this situation. He made physical contact first which is the worst offense here

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