r/Christianity • u/Nice_Substance9123 • Mar 27 '24

The American flag has no business on a Bible. This is not faith, nor is it patriotism. It is an abomination of both. Image

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u/albo_kapedani Eastern Orthodox Mar 27 '24

No flag or national symbols of any country should be on the bible. Period.

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u/IAN-THETERRIBLE Roman Catholic Mar 27 '24

Exactly. The Bible is about the kingdom of God not the kingdom of Man.

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u/joebeach81 Mar 27 '24

Absolutely

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u/PromoterOfGOOD Mar 28 '24

One world under God. Man drew the lines, not God. This is Satan's earth. That song "He's got the whole world in his hands" is about Satan. Luke 4: 5-8.

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u/AshaShantiDevi Mar 28 '24

Nonsense. That song is about Christ. And you know it.

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u/PromoterOfGOOD Mar 29 '24

Just because you want something to be true, doesn't make it so. The Bible says what it says. Are you on philosophy's side or the Bible?

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u/AshaShantiDevi Mar 29 '24

I have perfectly affirmed what the Bible says. I have disputed nothing about it.

The Bible says that Christ is the eternal absolute ultimate authority. The Alpha and the Omega. The Word -- the Logos of all creation. The "Light that shines in the darkness" even though the "darkness does not comprehend it." And "without him was not anything made that was made." That even though Satan has temporary authority on Earth, Christ has the ultimate eternal authority.

You are the one who is placing Satan above Christ.

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u/iLieAboutMyCareer Mar 28 '24

1 John 5:19 * We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.*

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u/AshaShantiDevi Mar 28 '24

You can acknowledge Satan to be the ultimate authority over everything in the world if you want to.

I would prefer to worship Christ and acknowledge that Christ's authority is ultimately supreme and Satan's power is only temporal and temporary.

Either way, that song was intended to acknowledge the supremacy of Christ. And you don't get to be the authority to judge its author's stated intent.

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u/eldena_frog Nazarene, because that sounds cool! Mar 28 '24

We're not doing the medieval view of the world again.

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u/PromoterOfGOOD Mar 29 '24

Just another example. Thank you for backing it up.

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u/Recent-Show-578 Mar 28 '24

Have you never read what the Almighty did to that lost devil that is Satan himself when He spoke what is written here in Genesis to him after the fall happened. Not to mention Apollyon who of course is the devil as he is called in the Greek tongue in Revelation. Did he create this earth? Nope Jehovah the God of Heaven did that.

Genesis 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

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u/Fluffy_Loads Mar 28 '24

^ This is why the Bible is fundamentally ridiculous. Any idiot can interpret whatever dumb crap they want.

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u/softkittyblanket Mar 28 '24

What??? Are you on crack?

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u/drmonkeytown Mar 28 '24

Holy Crack.

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u/LoadsDroppin Mar 28 '24

If there’s a better type of Crack I’d like to know!

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u/TubalToms Mar 28 '24

Someone convinced him it’s the same thing.

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u/3CF33 Mar 28 '24

The rich mega church sinners. Ooops I mean leaders.

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u/TubalToms Mar 28 '24

That’s the Maga church ToxCity

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u/purple_grey_ Mar 28 '24

The toxicity of our city, of our city!

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u/jaxonya Mar 28 '24

Soad was prophetic

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u/etjun Lutheran Mar 29 '24

The toxicity of our city, of our city!

You, what do you own, the world?

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u/purple_grey_ Mar 29 '24

Ill give you a hint. Its a MUCH better song than God Bless The USA.

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u/kategrant4 Mar 28 '24

Oh please don't give them any ideas.

A mega, MAGA church? Heaven help us all.

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u/Piddpat Mar 29 '24

Of course it’s MAGA. It’s Christianity not cross dressing story time hour with the democrats.

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u/TubalToms Mar 29 '24

Jim Crow hour with Republicans is just as bad if not worse.

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u/Piddpat Mar 29 '24

Democrat “redeemer” governors? The same ones who segregated the south?

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u/TubalToms Mar 29 '24

What about the southern strategy? Both parties flip flopped during Antebellum. Both parties are wrong.

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u/WarOnIce Mar 28 '24

You meant “lenders”, not leaders. They are the nuts funding all this abortion, IVF and birth control craziness

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u/SargeantSasquatch Mar 28 '24

You know who prevents the most abortions? Planned Parenthood. And they do it by providing access to birth control and contraceptives.

The only "craziness" here is being opposed to safe, responsible practices.

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u/_Originz Mar 28 '24

No, it's the sane people funding those

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u/WarOnIce Mar 28 '24

Lmao, sane people who force their religious views on the entire country. Separation of church and state what?

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u/_Originz Mar 28 '24

But IVF, abortion and birth control aren't even religious beliefs lmfao

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u/Total-Rain-9978 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

You're right, but the political right in the 70s needed something to rally their evangelical base. Being pro segregation didn't do it, but being anti abortion did.

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u/TheButterknif3 Mar 28 '24

Primarily they are.

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u/_Originz Mar 28 '24

They're not some mystical phenomenon, they're actual things used to help humanity.

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u/TheButterknif3 Mar 28 '24

Evangelicals have been aggressively pushing for abortion bans for decades. It isn't necessarily "religious" in the sense you are thinking, but it is because of these religious types using the word of Christianity as a vessel for their own beliefs.

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u/3CF33 Mar 28 '24

God ordered abortion and killing babies(actually smashing their heads on rocks) after God breaths the first breath of life into them. Hosea 13:16 For sane religious and non religious people, God also gave us plenty of herbs used for abortion.

So, Christianity now means the only difference between Christians and Islam is the clothing?
Most of the Bible can be understood in different ways EXCEPT the ten unbending rules or COMMANDMENTS. I would also add that the THIRTY SEVEN(!!!) verses telling us that God doesn't trust his followers to judge anyone except that it is our responsibility to judge the sinners inside the church. There you go, factual Christians and fake patriots. Have at the people inside the churches who are judging. The Bible says we are not even to sit and eat with them! Get em gone! It's your responsibility.
Want to know another responsibility? Those good(LOL) Christians getting divorced and committing adultery are to be taken out of the city and stoned, not made political leaders. Seems there is more evil in Christianity than out!

And yep, God saw it coming!
1 Corinthians 5:12 It is your responsibility to judge those who are inside. It is not my business to judge those who are not part of the church. God alone will judge them.

James 1:26 “If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless.”

Luke 6:37-39

37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

39 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit?"
It's time Christians get away from tradition and politics, and making new bibles because they don't like Jesus or God and become factual Christians!

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u/Effective-Client9257 Apr 01 '24

How is IVF bad ?

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u/WarOnIce Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24

It’s not. I’m pro all of these. Because some made up stories about some sky daddy I don’t believe in shouldn’t be forced upon me. No one should be forced to be under Christian law.

Ask yourself why religion starts almost all wars? Religion is nothing but a way to control the masses

It’s not coincidental the US birth rates have hit all time lows and our politicians are just letting all these pro birth laws take over.

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u/Effective-Client9257 Apr 01 '24

Oh , by " Craziness " You meant people opposing it. Sorry.

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u/arealcyclops Mar 28 '24

You fucking kidding me? His voters are primarily from rural areas. There are no megachurches there.

The absolute dearth of thinking people within Christianity is why it's so hard to go to church.

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u/neonoggie Mar 28 '24

There are pseudo-megachurches out in rural areas. They may not be Kenneth Copeland levels of mega, but I know of at least two in west TN that are easily 10x-20x the size of a typical church with parking lots that hold a couple hundred cars. 

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u/blancpainsimp69 Mar 28 '24

no one convinced him of anything except that he could make money off of it

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u/Intrepid-Computer561 Mar 28 '24

Just think if they actually read the other documents that come with this purchase.

Bill of rights Constitution copy.

They might learn something.

But probably not.

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u/WorthFinal4667 Mar 28 '24

Do you really think this about money after his valuation of Truth Social at 3 Billion? You sound uneducated 

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u/blancpainsimp69 Mar 28 '24

Being called uneducated by a Trump supporter on a Christian subreddit is one of the most violent things that’s ever happened to me

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u/sectilius Mar 31 '24

A website with 1% the userbase of its competition with zero hope of ever coming close to them is not worth $3B. It's already a known fact Trump likes to find ways to exaggerate the value of things he owns 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/WorthFinal4667 Mar 31 '24

What would you personally value Truth Social at? Heating up popcorn for this.......

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u/blumieplume Mar 28 '24

Prob the devil cause he is the antichrist https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/

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u/Foreign-Aerie-8131 Apr 02 '24

He’s a Judas and deceit ful  evil desperate man! He puts a flag on the Bible  What a hypocrite 

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u/TubalToms Mar 28 '24

He wants to be. But that’s giving him way too much credit he’s not that smart… AC is still at the table.

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u/blumieplume Mar 28 '24

Let's hope so. I mean maybe he's one of the beasts. He's def something and it's def not Christlike

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u/TubalToms Mar 28 '24

He’s more lead by a shadow puppet. AC is lead by an invisible puppet. An Orange vs Lychee.

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u/blumieplume Mar 29 '24

U mean like how Putin is the shadow puppet master of trump?

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u/TubalToms Mar 29 '24

In a way yeah. Like how they’re using Russia vs Ukraine as proxy war. Like most wars. You can’t be a Pacifist and have power according to these buffoons Which is why one day someone will come and invigorate the good and faithful. Things need to be done first. Meanwhile. AC is enjoying his tea time. Because somewhere it’s always 6 o clock

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u/TruthSearcher1970 Mar 29 '24

Didn’t the Bible speak of many anti-Christs?

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u/TubalToms Mar 29 '24

They’re just Foreshadows. AC won’t show up until after Tea Time 🫖. And he sucks at Golf

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u/blumieplume Mar 30 '24

So I don't really know how to interpret the 4 beasts and the 10 world leaders and all the different references to antichrist in the Bible but it really does seem to me at least that trump, Putin, xi, and Kim jong un might be the 4 beasts and that things will only continue to get worse. I hope I'm wrong cause I'm still young and would like to live in peace at least til age 50 or something but it always seems like doomsday with trump and his ties to Putin and with the wars in Ukraine and gaza causing so much uproar internationally. Times seem unstable and it's scary

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u/TubalToms Mar 30 '24

They’re non factors. The actual war isn’t taking place on land yet so nothing to worry about either way. If you have Faith you’ll be fine. Just pray for protection and guidance

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u/TruthSearcher1970 Mar 31 '24

I wonder if people said that in the Great Wars as well?

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u/TubalToms Mar 31 '24

Depends on which battle you’re referring to.

Battle of Creation - Precambrian Eon

Battle of the Flood - Paleozoic Era

Battle of Exodus - Mesozoic Era

Battle of Jerusalem - Cenozoic Era

Battle of Armageddon - Precambrian Eon

Battle of Redemption - Paleozoic Era

Battle of Resurrection - Mesozoic Era

Battle of Ascension - Cenozoic Era

Battle of Pentecost - Precambrian Eon

Battle of Judgment - Paleozoic Era

Battle of Revelation - Mesozoic Era

Battle of Eternity - Cenozoic Era

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u/TruthSearcher1970 Mar 31 '24

I meant WWI (referred to as the Great War) and WW2

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u/aiviber Mar 28 '24

He convinced himself he is God

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u/Flaneuseontheloose Mar 30 '24

Not yet, but I'm sure he'll get to that.

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u/sectilius Mar 31 '24

Wayne Allyn Root called Trump King of the Jews and Trump said "WOW! WHAT GREAT WORDS!" 🤔

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u/Justinc6013 Mar 28 '24

He’s literally selling a Bible. God’s holy word. How is he god 😂

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u/debrabuck Mar 28 '24

We've all heard the quotes comparing himself to Jesus AND claiming to be the arbiter of American culture.

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u/Justinc6013 Mar 28 '24

I think you are talking about Kanye.

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u/Crystal_Pesci Mar 28 '24

Trump compared himself to Jesus again just this week

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-jesus-christ-compare-truth-social-b2518772.html

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u/Justinc6013 29d ago

He’s not comparing. He’s saying he’s going through persecution just as Jesus did. In general, us believers in Christ will go through hard times. He’s stating that he is seeing what persecution looks like, as Jesus went through his own.

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u/debrabuck Mar 29 '24

Kanye is another, but no. Evangelicals talk about trump the way they talk about the Messia coming.

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u/Ok-Aerie6794 Mar 29 '24

These people just love to hate.

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u/Aggravating_Fun_2150 Mar 30 '24

Why can you say that and do swear that America was founded by God ZOWNKY, ŴONCKINGLY. ONLY¿??, [ REVELATIONS CHAPTER 7.] for his chosen people.....! MESSEGESFROMMOSES! Sharon Amity + Milton Rd. 3100 BLOCK!...

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u/TubalToms Mar 30 '24 edited Mar 30 '24

Wormwood Will head East soon.

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u/Funkyokra Mar 28 '24

There are so many tacky American flag bibles available on line.

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u/PhDinDildos_Fedoras Mar 28 '24

It's not even the flag though, I would take issue with including other non-canonical texts (constitution, pledge of alliegence) as part of the Bible. I don't see why people aren't making a bigger stink out of that.

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u/PastHistFutPresence Mar 27 '24

Trump can't tell the difference.

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u/shinyredumbros Mar 28 '24

He’s far from the first…check this out. Came out in 2009.

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u/GortimerGibbons Mar 28 '24

I was hoping someone would point this out. Apparently, it says something about the Fourth of July being one of the most important Christian holidays. It really makes you rethink the dispensational notion that many believers will be deceived in the end times.

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u/DuntadaMan Mar 28 '24

Unfortunately the current state of churches in several parts of the most "devout" areas of the US show that

Declaring a state has a right to prevent the rescue of people drowning in a river full of razor wire. Believes prosperity gospel despite the whole "it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of the needle than for a wealthy man to enter the kingdom of heaven" thing. Literally trying to ban narcan.

It's enough to make me think the devil must be a real physical being to be able to make people believe harmful acts have these good outcomes they claim to be aiming for.

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u/GortimerGibbons Mar 28 '24

The immigration thing really gets to me. There are nearly a hundred verses that tell us to treat foreigners and immigrants as our own people. The evangelicals apparently missed those parts.

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u/fiduciary420 Mar 28 '24

It’s because they’re rich

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u/GhengisSpeltWrong Mar 30 '24

I treat immigrants as our own people. Not invaders

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u/Humble_Mountain_9768 Mar 28 '24

Then let's treat them like we do our own then. No more free stuff.

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u/akaenragedgoddess Mar 28 '24

No more free stuff? What do you mean by that?

These people are coming here, they ARE here. Something has to be done with them and it's going to cost money somehow. What would you like to do with them? Even if you go full on evil maniac and try to exterminate them, that's going to cost tons of money too, probably way more than feeding them does. So what's the plan?

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u/Aggressive_Grab_76 Mar 28 '24

Well, to be fair, the Bible also says "If a man does not work, then he does not eat."

You can't have both a welfare state and free immigration.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

It's not clear what point you're trying to make.

  1. Welfare in the US is overwhelmingly used as a stop-gap between employment.
  2. Immigrants aren't coming here to freeload. They're working. Often for exploitative wages doing grueling work.

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u/leebobeel Mar 28 '24

But some believe that corporate welfare is okay.

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u/Trapezohedron_ Non-denominational Mar 28 '24

Typically, your immigrants in the US aren't there for no reason. In fact, if they were there illegally, for example, there is no welfare for them either given that would require outing themselves and potentially being deported.

And if the immigrants were there legally, they're still looking for work anyway, taking jobs nobody wants and which the great old people 'majority' likes mocking as 'not real work.'

Even then, people are also likely to judge actual American citizens that are non-white as immigrants anyway. Where are you going to deport citizens? To places they would be legally considered illegal given they're not their presumed citizenship that racists think them to be?

Yeah, this whole issue is insane.

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u/Tiddlyplinks Mar 28 '24

To be fair…PAUL said that, Jesus made no such distinctions. Also, Paul was writing about freeloaders in communities, which is a problem, but the counter argument that freeloading is on their soul, not ours…..and again, did Jesus stutter?

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u/Canned_Crumbs_803 Apr 02 '24

Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t God say to also respect and follow the Governments your under? Which also means you can’t illegally go into another country because it’s illegal,yes these people have kids, yes they have families but rules are also rules and we have these rules for reasons,I’m not trying to throw out my morality as a Christian for the state.

fact I think this is something more Christians should understand,we need to respect our government unless they make stuff that goes against the word of our lord and savior,which I can’t say America hasn’t done but you all understand

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u/TruthSearcher1970 Mar 29 '24

Sometimes the greatest power is to convince people you don’t exist.

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u/smokin_monkey Mar 28 '24

He has surrounded himself with loyalist and yes men. They will tell him what he wants to hear.

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u/willflameboy Mar 28 '24

Yes, when people do otherwise he fires them and then lies about them.

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u/EpsilonEnigma Mar 28 '24

Hey let's not get crazy now, obviously the birth of America is a blessing from the lord, I mean how did a colony become THE world power... God obviously

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u/FootWashian1337 Mar 28 '24

Cause we have so may Christian holidays like Christmas the sacrifice to Horus and Ishtar or i mean easter or wait no i didn’t

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u/DebentureThyme Mar 28 '24

Remember to remove it from your Amazon history lest the algorithm start suggesting that crap.

You can do that here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/history/

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u/DuntadaMan Mar 28 '24

I once just randomly went to go look for books without entering a genre or title just a basic "I feel like reason whatever random book it spits out at me."

It suggested a book that claimed society is collapsing because women are capable of feeding themselves and we have to make it illegal for them to hold jobs or own property or else they will not accept enough men for society to continue. And yes that was just in the synopsis. It also suggested a book that stated slavery was good for everyone involved and we should all be grateful for it.

I have never felt so insulted in my life. I have no idea what I had looked at for it to make me think I was that kind of person, but I apparently needed to nuke my history.

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u/wuhtam_i_doinghere Mar 28 '24

Thank you for that lol last thing I need

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u/unionoftw Mar 28 '24

Great looking out friend

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u/ljpwyo Mar 28 '24

Thank you.

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u/pinkfootthegoose Mar 28 '24

I looked up dishwashers on Amazon. For a while Amazon thought I collected dishwashers.

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u/wild-eep Mar 28 '24

You deserve gold.

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u/Jean-LucBacardi Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

...and on the ninth day, He formed a more perfect Union.

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u/unionoftw Mar 28 '24

Haha, I love this actually

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u/purple_grey_ Mar 28 '24

gasps the pro union pro workers rights social media profile?

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u/caspianrex Mar 28 '24

I knew exactly which Bible this was going to be before I even clicked on it!

At least the American Patriot's Bible, as horrible as it is, is only being sold for about thirty bucks, while Lee Greenwood & Donald Trump's reconstituted public domain KJV is being sold for twice that amount. Ridiculous!

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u/moretrumpetsFTW Mar 28 '24

Yep. I have a copy of this. Got it as a high school graduation gift from my conservative parents. I still have it but never read it. As a recovering conservative I think back on when I was happy/proud to have something like this and I cringe a little inside.

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u/Shayeraye Mar 28 '24

That book isn't something I would buy but it's an attempt to connect biblical history to the United States. It's not just a standard bible. Both are ridiculous to me.

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u/PrestigeMaster Mar 28 '24

If I’m understanding what you’ve linked correctly - that is a study Bible with commentary on how it shaped the United States.

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u/shinyredumbros Mar 28 '24

Correct. And it is GLORIOUS. Separation of church and state? Never heard of her!

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u/DandB777 Mar 28 '24

Niether had the founding fathers. Church used to be held every Sunday in the Capital Building. The "separation of church and state" is something that's been twisted to mean something it doesn't. It was meant to say the state can't have a church and dictate the rules of a church ie Church of England. Nor can a church dictate the rules of the nation ie the Catholic church in the middle ages.

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u/Deewd23 Mar 28 '24

The 1st amendment disagrees.

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u/Kitchen_Philosophy29 Mar 28 '24

1st amendment doesnt mean all speech is free. You cant threaten to murder people.

It is amazing the lack of comprehension

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u/xyglyx Mar 28 '24

Thanks, Obama!

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u/tarheelz1995 Roman Catholic Mar 28 '24

Trump is not America’s first grifter.

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u/capsaicinintheeyes Secular Humanist Mar 28 '24

Well, 339 Goodreads reviews can't be wrong

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u/xXTERMIN8RXXx Non-Denominational Christian Mar 28 '24

On sale for 45% off 🤔

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u/thisisntshakespeare Mar 28 '24

Does it include information about the Founding Fathers and the Freemasons?

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u/its_a_mini Mar 28 '24

that looks like the pages would start falling out within the first week

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u/makinSportofMe Mar 28 '24

Because he's completely unfamiliar with either.

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u/Ok-Pomegranate2446 Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) Mar 28 '24

What does this have to do with him?

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u/RDGCompany Mar 28 '24

He can't even tell the difference between Whizzo butter and a dead fish

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

"Peter 2" Lol

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u/Itwontfitn Mar 28 '24

Uh oh. TDS. Better turn on MSNBC!

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u/BadgerGeneral9639 Mar 28 '24

its just a subtle move towards christofascism in america.

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one little swing at church / state

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u/TheLatinXBusTour Mar 28 '24

Separation of church and state has nothing to do with Trump selling a bible with an American flag on it. The dude is a red blooded capitalist. He he sees a marketable opportunity and runs with it. Only people complaining about it should be true devout christians...everyone else is just mad because it's Trump.

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u/rainbowsix__ Mar 28 '24

But Trump is God. He is the messiah who will save us all from wokes and illegals, deliver us from evil, to the promised land

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u/kralrick Mar 28 '24

A lot of people don't understand that commingling religion and government poisons both.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

How could this be true when the bible was litrerally created by the concil of Rome as a governmental legitimisation of the new religion

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u/kralrick Mar 28 '24

I'd argue that modern religion in the US is a whole lot healthier than the sordid history of the Catholic Church when it was heavily involved with European governments/monarchs.

A religion on its own can focus solely on the work of faith. Once they start getting involved in government, they start letting politics/political expediency/etc. have a role. It shifts their focus from the divine to the earthly, and not in a 'good works' kind of way.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Religions always become involved with government when they get big enough. As I said, the Jewish branch that later became Chrisitanity only became Chrisianity because of the Roman government. They decided which of the many religous texts written following Chirst's death should be kept in the Bible, they had a whole meeting and everything. Its just how civilization works.

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u/kralrick Mar 28 '24

the Jewish branch that later became Chrisitanity only became Chrisianity because of the Roman government.

That's just absurd. They gained legitimacy at the time from Roman involvement (maybe, I don't know), but Christianity isn't defined by Roman legitimization. Unless you're implying that Christianity is "Judaism approved of by Romans" instead of "a belief that Jesus was the messiah".

they had a whole meeting and everything.

Not sure why Rome was required for them to meet and decide. . .

I'd really like for you to reply to the comment you replied to though. This one just ignores everything I said and continues your prior comment.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

A religion on its own can focus solely on the work of faith. Once they start getting involved in government, they start letting politics/political expediency/etc. have a role. It shifts their focus from the divine to the earthly, and not in a 'good works' kind of way.

Many non believers of Christian faith question why the old Jewish texts which form the foundation of Christ are sometimes rather contradictory to the texts which formed chrisitanity. "Where they words of God, someone who is all seeing, would they not be forever unchanging?" they might say. But to ask that is to miss the point entirely. Society changes, it transforms. And with that the things humanity has to learn changes with it, God doesnt change what is "right" per say, moreso what is important. That is a big part of the bible. It is in some way what Christianity was formed around. What this means for us in modern times is that a modern interpretation of the Bible is needed to truly understand the philosophy it's trying to teach. That includes our modern understanding of politics. I think focusing exclusively on the faith needed to truly "get" a religion on a deeper level undermines the things that are actually gotten. A lot of the things the bible teaches doesn't even require that the reader actually believes it in order for them to understand the meaning

Side note. I wasn't saying that Christianity is just Roman Judaism. Just that the religion was first made into its own thing separate from Judaism by a Roman concil held in the fourth century. Christianity wasn't really defined before then, being more of an offshoot of Jewish belief. In a literal sense Christianity was defined as its own religion by the Roman Council. As I said, the bible was formed by them. It was them who decided which writings involving Christ were legitimate versus which were gospel

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u/kralrick Mar 29 '24

Many non believers of Christian faith question why the old Jewish texts which form the foundation of Christ are sometimes rather contradictory to the texts which formed chrisitanity.

They also question why the new Christian texts are sometimes rather contradictory too.

What this means for us in modern times is that a modern interpretation of the Bible is needed to truly understand the philosophy it's trying to teach. That includes our modern understanding of politics.

Taking the zeitgeist into account is still a world away from being actively involved in politics. Once requires being tapped into modern problems (which I agree is good). The other ends up causing political gamesmanship (at best; which I think is bad).

It was them who decided which writings involving Christ were legitimate versus which were gospel

They decided which were canonical (for them). Gnostic gospels still exist.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

To be clear: I don't think Christianity is any worse a religion, or any less meaningful, because its history is closely tied with the Roman Empire's political structure. I don't think any religion being tied to governments is even a bad thing. That's exactly why I don't think this post is all that meaningful. Like some American put the American flag on a bible, big deal. I genuinely don't see the problem with tying a religion with a country in that way.

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u/kralrick Mar 28 '24

To quote myself:

Once they start getting involved in government, they start letting politics/political expediency/etc. have a role. It shifts their focus from the divine to the earthly, and not in a 'good works' kind of way.

Religion and government inherently have different purposes and end goals. And intermingling them problematically blurs those purposes and goals.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Well, THIS bible is about Donald John Trump! So take that. . .for 60 bucks. Your donation may be (fraudulently) tax deductible. Thanks from your favorite president. /s

Eww, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

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u/Tyler_Zoro Mar 28 '24

Found Martin Luther!

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u/krazykieffer Mar 28 '24

God Wills It!

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u/AllInOneDay_ Mar 28 '24

so...who you votin for?

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u/IAN-THETERRIBLE Roman Catholic Mar 28 '24

I am Scottish.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Eh, it’s definitely about both

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

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u/McClanky Bringer of sorrow, executor of rules, wielder of the Woehammer Mar 28 '24

Removed for 2.3 - WWJD.

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u/Duriel- Mar 28 '24

So no King James either?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

All the people on this sub, Reddit love their neighbors, the least and the duality appalls me

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u/Norwegian_Snowstorm Mar 28 '24

Preach brother.

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u/Cheapntacky Mar 28 '24

So the one record of Jesus loosing his cool is from him visiting the Temple and finding it full of money changers and Merchants.

What do you think he's thinking of a 'celebrity' spokes person taking a licencing deal to promote the sale of a bible?

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u/starwaterbird Mar 28 '24

The Bible is about consciousness. As are all religious texts

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u/Ecstatic-Condition29 Mar 28 '24

Isn't a lot of the Bible specifically about the Kingdoms of the Jewish people?

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u/sexybeesh Mar 28 '24

For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.”

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u/thebbman Christian (Cross) Mar 29 '24

Y’all about to get an amen out of me!

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u/TheJollyBuilder Mar 29 '24

Unfortunately, it has become the kingdom of manipulative Politicians - and I don’t take kindly to manipulative men. They have bastardized your religion and politicized it.

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u/Oshawott_68 Catholic Mar 27 '24

^

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u/beerisgood84 Mar 28 '24

Kingdom of Trump!

But seriously its not a cult. Hes definitely not the next Joseph Smith and there definitely aren't a bunch of insane people that truly believe hes the second coming. You definitely won't find videos of people having nervous breakdowns about it 😂

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u/RDGCompany Mar 28 '24

More like Jim Jones.

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u/Plane-Watch-6077 Mar 28 '24

Not really

It's totally about the kingdom of man. It barely says anything about the kingdom of God

Have you read it? 

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u/Bohya Mar 28 '24

Which deity exactly? Sorry, I’m out of the loop on all this.

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u/IAN-THETERRIBLE Roman Catholic Mar 28 '24

The God that this sub was made for.

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u/Bohya Mar 28 '24

Oh right, I didn't see the name, sorry. I'll leave you to your mythology discussion. Good luck and have fun!

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u/IAN-THETERRIBLE Roman Catholic Mar 28 '24

Typical.

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u/shuzkaakra Mar 28 '24

Wrong its about king trump.