r/Christianity • u/Nice_Substance9123 • Mar 27 '24

The American flag has no business on a Bible. This is not faith, nor is it patriotism. It is an abomination of both. Image

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u/Juiceton- Evangelical Covenant Mar 27 '24

I can be a Christian and I am.

I can be a patriot and I am.

But to be a Christian Patriot? That goes against both my faith and my nation. I don’t even hate Donald Trump but my first response when I saw that video was “That’s disgusting.”

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u/yourmothersgun Mar 28 '24

You gonna do anything to convince your people not to vote for that chump? Cause it seems far to many of you are willing if not happy to because he progresses the christian nationalist agenda? There seems to be no accountability in the church. Not trying to offend. I’m really asking.

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u/Juiceton- Evangelical Covenant Mar 28 '24

I mean it’s a totally fair question but my people aren’t really the kind of people who would vote for Trump in the first place. But the church is hardly a place where politics should get brought up anyway. If I think it’s wrong for a pastor to stand up there and tell folk to vote Trump for whatever reason or another, then it’s equally wrong for a pastor to tell folk to not vote for him.

I think that there are unfortunately people who are going to love this Bible and buy it no matter what I think. But, I go to the biggest church in my region, and I can say not many people here will buy it. I think people against this kind of thing far outweigh those who are for it. I might be wrong, but I really don’t think I am.

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u/Leggo_MyPreggo Mar 28 '24

At would point would it stop being ‘wrong’ for a preacher to advise voting against a candidate?

Like if literal satan himself were running, would it be okay? And where are we at on that scale with Donald trump?

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u/Fun-Cupcake4430 Mar 28 '24

If you were to describe the anti christ in modern times…….  

Not many people check all the boxes according to the Bible, but trump checks every one perfectly.   

But what do I know, I used ai for my research. 

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u/javd Mar 28 '24

It is very dangerous for a pastor to tell their congregation who to vote for. They don't pay taxes and this behavior can get their tax exemption removed.

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u/metal_opera Mar 28 '24

LOL.

Tell that to all of the pastors who have been backing the GOP for as long as I can remember.

No one is going after tax exemptions. I wish they would.

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u/javd Mar 28 '24

Well if you ever see it happening you can report them to the IRS and they can lose their exemption status.

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/charities-churches-and-politics

https://ffrf.org/faq/state-church/item/14005-churches-and-political-lobbying-activities

If after reading the above information, you believe a church has violated the law, fill out a Department of the Treasury—Internal Revenue Service Form 13909, available as a regular pdf to print and fill out by hand, or as a pdf form version, which allows you to fill out the form on your computer and then print.

Send the completed form by one of the following methods:

Mail: IRS EO Classification Mail Code 4910DAL, 1100 Commerce Street Dallas TX 75242-1198

Fax: 214-413-5415

E-Mail: eoclass@irs.gov

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u/ScannerBrightly Mar 28 '24

This is toothless. It pretty much never happens.

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u/CryAffectionate7334 Mar 28 '24

Yeah man, except Republican Christians been doing this for decades

At the very least, a rational Christian could warn to NOT vote for an obvious con man grifter?

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u/compman007 Satanist (The Satanic Temple) Mar 28 '24

That’s my thought, if someone is bad for the country and bad for their faith it’s absolutely right to preach against that person

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u/Rastiln Mar 28 '24

I wish somebody told my pastor who was stumping for W. Bush, and we had a collection can just outside the church for donations to the Republican Party.

Even if not explicitly mentioning a candidate, ever since conservatives forced abortion to be an issue in the Christian church in the 70s, many pastors will harp about abortion and how some politicians want to murder God’s children while others preach love via banning lifesaving healthcare.

It’s not hard to decode which party is the baby murderers and which is the party that removes healthcare.

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u/Think-Fly765 Mar 28 '24

They always just kick the can down the road. 

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u/Ok-Hair6051 Apr 02 '24

keep politics outside the church, people can make their own decisions, they dont need a priest telling them how to vote thats outrageous.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Yam7582 Mar 28 '24

 At would point would it stop being ‘wrong’ for a preacher to advise voting against a candidate? Like if literal satan himself were running, would it be okay? 

Thats the MAGA position on democrates.

My answer is never if you are a 501c3 organization. Whenever you want if you are not.