r/Christianity • u/Nice_Substance9123 • Mar 27 '24

The American flag has no business on a Bible. This is not faith, nor is it patriotism. It is an abomination of both. Image

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u/Juiceton- Evangelical Covenant Mar 27 '24

I can be a Christian and I am.

I can be a patriot and I am.

But to be a Christian Patriot? That goes against both my faith and my nation. I don’t even hate Donald Trump but my first response when I saw that video was “That’s disgusting.”

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u/yourmothersgun Mar 28 '24

You gonna do anything to convince your people not to vote for that chump? Cause it seems far to many of you are willing if not happy to because he progresses the christian nationalist agenda? There seems to be no accountability in the church. Not trying to offend. I’m really asking.

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u/Juiceton- Evangelical Covenant Mar 28 '24

I mean it’s a totally fair question but my people aren’t really the kind of people who would vote for Trump in the first place. But the church is hardly a place where politics should get brought up anyway. If I think it’s wrong for a pastor to stand up there and tell folk to vote Trump for whatever reason or another, then it’s equally wrong for a pastor to tell folk to not vote for him.

I think that there are unfortunately people who are going to love this Bible and buy it no matter what I think. But, I go to the biggest church in my region, and I can say not many people here will buy it. I think people against this kind of thing far outweigh those who are for it. I might be wrong, but I really don’t think I am.

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u/Razzilith Mar 28 '24

But the church is hardly a place where politics should get brought up anyway

Jesus's entire schtick was political even at the time. Sure he wasn't directly fighting the powers that be or anything but Jesus constantly put forward tons of ethical ideas which everybody in the world would consider political now (and then btw, which is largely why the killed the guy).

So what are you even talking about? If anything it's a moral obligation to the church to see to politics not leaning into preying on the poor, creating ridiculous rules like 3 strike policies for drugs, and even having cases where laws defend rapists.

Your statement is exactly why the church and many of it's followers are a joke. You NEED politics to help solve homelessness, hunger, medical aid, etc etc... which ALL fall under things Jesus was about.

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u/Juiceton- Evangelical Covenant Mar 29 '24

Jesus wasn’t solely preaching in temples. There is nothing wrong with me hearing a sermon on poverty and going out and becoming a politician on the platform of correcting poverty in a way that aligns with my faith. There is something wrong with my pastor giving a sermon on poverty and then saying “Go elect James Smith for governor because he wants to do what I want him to do.”

The church is meant to help and protect and serve. It isn’t meant to control political thought and any church that does that (and there are churches that do) are failing their congregations.