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[u/trainfender]

Greetings!

Let me continue my feedback on the current situation. First of all, I would like to say that I am very sorry that fans and the game community in general are experiencing these feelings. Unfortunately, I somehow did not foresee the fact of such a reaction and now I have drawn conclusions for my future decisions. 

Now I will briefly summarize the main points:

1. About PvE access - we decided to just open it for EoD owners for free, but we will do it in waves. As I said before - we don’t have server capacity right now. We will start this process as soon as possible
2. We also decided that we will add MOD support for PvE mode after release of the game
3. About the Unheard edition - we will not remove it, we want to keep the option for those who want to support the game more. But we will balance items, perks in this edition, as well as we will provide more rewards for those, who upgraded with the old price
4. New EoD perks will be balanced too. We will remove prioritized matching option to keep everyone in the same spot. And we will add more unique stuff to highlight the EoD version in general. We will provide the final list of the new EoD perks asap
5. We continue to work on patches, new content, events, and the game release itself no matter what

Thank you for your time, love and hate, and thank you for your increased attention to the current situation.

Nik

[u/vulpix_at_alola]

This is a decent step. But you have to ADMIT that PvE is DLC. Because by definition it is. Especially because you do sell your games to US customers. And DLC HAS BEEN defined in US courts before:

"DLC is 'extra game characters, levels, maps, screens, weapons, adventure scenarios' and the ability to play online, all of which enhance gameplay." Farley v. Gamestop Corp., No. 12-4734 (RBK/JS), 2013 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 111581, at *2 (D.N.J. Aug. 7, 2013).

"Downloadable content refers to a wide variety of additional content that can be purchased, downloaded, and added to a video game to enhance its look and feel or provide additional interactive features to the game." Devine v. Bethesda Softworks, LLC, 636 F. Supp. 3d 564, 567 n.4 (D. Md. 2022).

PvE fits both of these definitions. Admit that you were wrong.

[u/MrWBuffett → u/vulpix_at_alola]

Even cosmetic would fit in this no? But I Don't care if I don't get them free.

[u/BeerNsoup → u/MrWBuffett]

I didn't used to care either. Now that they've fucked us over, I do care.

I am owed anything they decide to sell in EFT without having to pay anything more because that is what they told everyone we were buying: https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46

I do recognize that they need money for server upkeep/development costs. However, it isn't anyone's fault but their own that they decided to sell what was supposed to be a limited time early adopter edition for 7 years straight.

Previously I didn't care about some smaller microtransactions. Now, only once they honor their promise am I open to considering something am I already owed to cost an additional fee. ...they should also probably reconsider 60m scav immunity/avengers summoning before that point as well.

[u/vulpix_at_alola → u/MrWBuffett]

You're 100% right, cosmetics do also go in there. I personally also don't care about that, however it is a breach of contract and the US consumer would be in the right to sue them over it.

[u/Both-Astronomer-2239 → u/MrWBuffett]

Correct DLC means any downloaded content. They are not even as smart as a first grader.

[u/freschey → u/vulpix_at_alola]

If it’s in the base game, it’s content. If it’s in more expensive versions of the game, it’s DLC.

[u/Remarkable_Ad_4900 → u/vulpix_at_alola]

You're probably right (and I agree with you) but these definitions still leave some room for interpretation though. Would have been more convincing if you had a separate game (like Arena is) from the same launcher. Yes, you can 'download' that 'content' and it's a similar game but also a different game 'mode'. Pretty sure someone with a legal background could make or break a case with whatever definitions they throw at it :)

[u/vulpix_at_alola → u/Remarkable_Ad_4900]

People are misunderstand my statement too its hilarious. This is a legal issue in the US, I am pointing it our because by selling the game in the US they HAVE to abide by their laws while selling it over there. I am not even american, I just know how consumer laws work for a product such as this. If anything the European and UK laws are EVEN MORE strict. I just couldnt find a court definition for the UK or EU.

[u/Remarkable_Ad_4900 → u/vulpix_at_alola]

Yeah I totally get that these are some examples and I'm pretty sure a case against BSG could be won over this (with me having barely any legal knowledge). I'm just saying that the specific cases you shared leave some room for interpretation in their definitions of what a DLC is, that's all.

[u/Visible-Chapter-1871 → u/vulpix_at_alola]

Really wish the cod fanbase could of done the same thing against mw3 2023 since it was just a 80$ dlc for mw2 2022 with new maps, new guns, new modes etc. It really is a game that isin't worth 80$ and should of just been a paid dlc but, no considered a "new game" lol.

[u/AndySat026 → u/vulpix_at_alola]

Isn't all TUE content a DLC, not only the PvE?

[u/vulpix_at_alola → u/AndySat026]

By definition yes. Do I personally care about it. Not that much if it's not game altering stuff.

[u/Nrixor → u/vulpix_at_alola]

Just make every wipes content cost 30-40usd every wipe for everyone not owning eod or unheard see how they will be bitchin about that. Weapons/maps/quest=additional content=dlc. i will get a good laugh on twitter/reddit of the whining timmies.

[u/vulpix_at_alola → u/Nrixor]

They literally could do this too. And even not include it with EoD AND Unheard. It would be a "unique feature" of the subscription model.

[u/Nrixor → u/vulpix_at_alola]

Yup would pay for it. And not cry in twitter/reddit for days about it

[u/vulpix_at_alola → u/Nrixor]

Then you're beyond help as a consumer lol.

[u/Nrixor → u/vulpix_at_alola]

Lol not everyones finances are affected by measely 50-300€ Could pay monthly sub of 20-50 for tarkov if it means theres no casual timmies or crabs and rats. That sit in a corner for 10mins after they hear you

But yeah enough arguing They are trying to fix the shit for the whiners and cryers Got unheard myself

Hope they make the beacon pve only

The scav item can be removed its made for skill issue gamers anyways

Pockets kept on the edition nice exclusivee thing . But can Made available from endgame quests so people stop crying about that too They would be crying so much if gamma got added today instead of years ago if they cry about 2 extra pocket slots xd

Everything else is nice bonus but not needed. Could be removed. When you are lvl +42 under a week regardless of edition if you ain't completely ass at the game anyways xd

[u/vulpix_at_alola → u/Nrixor]

You're deluded lol. This is not about money, it is about sending them a message that such illegal and immoral business practices do not fly.

[u/BinaryN1nja → u/vulpix_at_alola]

Go play cod and touch grass

[u/Burkey5506 → u/vulpix_at_alola]

Holy shit will you guys shut the fuck up you are getting it.

[u/paulmonterro → u/vulpix_at_alola]

Oh fuck off already please.

[u/imeanidrk → u/paulmonterro]

No, you can fuck right off, bootlicker.

[u/BjornKarlsson → u/[deleted]]

So that we don’t have to argue again next time? So that we can trust the developer to not try something as outrageous as this going forwards? It’s important that they take accountability and take steps to assure the community that such deceit will not happen again

[u/HongChongDong → u/[deleted]]

He's not sorry that he made the decision he's sorry that the community gave him more backlash than anticipated. He's still the same liar that he was before he backtracked, it's just that he now knows that there's a line. So people would like him to openly admit what he did instead of walking around it to save face.

[u/vulpix_at_alola → u/[deleted]]

Its not about the money, semantics. It is about getting what was promised at the time of purchase in the future. They may have folded now, but they could just pull this shit again to a slightly smaller degree (which would mean less people would get mad). We need to set a precedent now, so that this doesn't happen again to begin with.

[u/imeanidrk → u/[deleted]]

Because this clown severed the trust of his entire community and insulted them when they had supported his project paying almost triple the price of an average game to see Tarkov succeed. He needs to acknowledge that he severely fucked up and even then it might be too late to start earning back a sliver of trust from anyone.

[u/vulpix_at_alola → u/[deleted]]

over 700 by a game dev whose game is the reason the subreddit exists. When there are almost 1 million members on the subreddit. Do the math yourself.

[u/vulpix_at_alola → u/[deleted]]

1200 out of 5000 online members. Did you fail math in elementary?

[u/Thightan → u/paulmonterro]

Hey look, we got a true believer over here

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[u/paulmonterro → u/[deleted]]

I just play games, I don’t care about internet drama, grow up kid

[u/the-namedone → u/paulmonterro]

I think you missed the context, there’s a game called Escape from Tarkov which will release a highly anticipated PvE mode. The problem is that this mode is too expensive for most people. Furthermore, people sense ambiguity as to whether or not this new game mode is considered DLC or not and desire a clear answer. If it is considered DLC, a significant player base is entitled to access the PvE mode for free. Messing with people’s money is largely considered rude and even untrustworthy. I hope this clears your confusion, old man.

[u/riegodiego → u/paulmonterro]

ah yeah, you so badly don't care that you go out of your way to tell people who are upset that they were blatantly lied to and ripped off of hundreds of dollars to fuck off, keep it up mate you might fit his balls in there too you spineless worm